Read that actor Gene Hackman yes Popeye Doyle from the French Connection films was found dead with his wife and one of their dogs in their home in New Mexico. Investigation ongoing. He and Robert Duvall are two of my favorites.
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When this was mentioned in the Porta John I figured that it was carbon monoxide. Looks like the fire department has semi ruled that out. He was found in the entry way to the house and she was in a bathroom. They didn't say where they found the dog. The link also says that they were dead for a while before being found by maintenance.
I also heard a report that the police found a prescription pill bottle on the counter and the contents spread out on the counter.
I also heard a report that the police found a prescription pill bottle on the counter and the contents spread out on the counter.
Saw a quick blurb that the dog was found in a closet. But, it's being reported by msm, so who knows ?
I don't think that it's common for a murder suicide that they kill the family pet. Maybe it is and just not reported by the media. That was why I figured it was carbon monoxide. The fire departments I've delt with all had pretty good CO detectors and when a suspected issue with CO they were anal about testing.
IF it was a murder suicide I wonder what brought it on. Financial, medical? His wife was 65 years old and he was 95.
A quick search shows that killing the family pet in a murder suicide or just suicide is not a statistic that is easily found. Seems like the only information available is from news reports that included it. Which is very few. The study I read only found 37 cases in a ten year timeframe where it was reported. In every case the family pet was also killed. So it could be pretty common.
And.....they were "dog lovers" (I get it
). Apparently, they had three and supposedly all three were GSDs. The other two were found alive and roaming the grounds.I could see where a man of his age might decide to punch out, but I would think he wouldn't want anyone else to go with him.
I also saw a blurb that implied that the FD sniffed the dwelling and found nothing to indicate CO was, or had been present in the residence. But I'm a neophyte on the subject and it's the msm doing their usual patchwork shitty job of explaining things.
I think it'll fall together pretty quickly once the Tox reports come back. My woman's intuition causes me to still lean in the direction of him committing suicide. But, I can't rectify her and the one (of three) dog(s). If they had a pact together, I'd think it would include all three dogs, not just one.
Conversely, I have the distinct impression that he was a proud man. So much so that I wouldn't think he would allow harm to come to her and the dog. Maybe he offed himself, she found him and decided that she and the dog should jump on the train to Valhalla along with him. eg; her on the floor of the bathroom and the pills "scattered around". But, that begs the question of what did he and the dog died from ?
Conversely, I have the distinct impression that he was a proud man. So much so that I wouldn't think he would allow harm to come to her and the dog. Maybe he offed himself, she found him and decided that she and the dog should jump on the train to Valhalla along with him. eg; her on the floor of the bathroom and the pills "scattered around". But, that begs the question of what did he and the dog died from ?
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Just a wild ass guess. If they found out that she had some kind of terminal cancer he may have decided to end it for the both of them.And.....they were "dog lovers" (I get it
I could see where a man of his age might decide to punch out, but I would think he wouldn't want anyone else to go with him.
I also saw a blurb that implied that the FD sniffed the dwelling and found nothing to indicate CO was, or had been present in the residence. But I'm a neophyte on the subject and it's the msm doing their usual patchwork shitty job of explaining things.
Probably something we may never know but the infatuation with celebrities may drive someone to dig into it.
Here's one. He just falls over dead at 94. Heartbroken, she commits suicide. The dogs bad luck was just being shut up with no water for too long in a very arid climate. The two healthy dogs found outside were lucky.
The sheriff said that they tested negative for carbon monoxide.
They tested negative for carbon monoxide.
Which doesn't mean anything if you are just giving a tip on how to commit suicide or kill people.
There's usually a dumb ass that will run a generator in their garage during a power outage then ends up dead.
Besides the generator story, my "favorite" is someone starting up the charcoal grill in the living room for heat
Apparently, there are people out there stupid enough to do something like that. Oh, that's right, they're called democrat voters........
I'd have to search for it but I remember a story from many years ago during a blizzard in Ohio. Some dimwit put a pot of gas on his gas stove and burned the house down. He said that his car wouldn't start due to a frozen gas line and he was late for work. He thought if he added the heated gas to the tank it would fix the frozen gas line.Besides the generator story, my "favorite" is someone starting up the charcoal grill in the living room for heat
Apparently, there are people out there stupid enough to do something like that. Oh, that's right, they're called democrat voters........
I don't know if his car was close enough to the house fire to defrost the frozen gas line
If it had been CM the other two dogs in the house would likely have died as well I would think
The "bottle of prescription pills were spilled on the table" keeps getting brought up. Any chance it was something simply innocuous, like "nitro-glycerine tablets" or something else that a person might be in a bit of a 'scramble' to get to,,,, when needed?
And whether or not there was CO in the house, and then dissipated, will be shown in the autopsy results because it won't leave a body. It'll still be there, and tissue tests will show.
Usually takes about 35 minutes.
That way there's still time to build the plot a bit more, before the dramatic chase and then confession/explanation of the dramatic event. They seem to be wanting to drag this out into a series/sequel.
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And whether or not there was CO in the house, and then dissipated, will be shown in the autopsy results because it won't leave a body. It'll still be there, and tissue tests will show.
Usually takes about 35 minutes.
That way there's still time to build the plot a bit more, before the dramatic chase and then confession/explanation of the dramatic event. They seem to be wanting to drag this out into a series/sequel.
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Carbon monoxide poisoning leaves very apparent physical clues. The gap between time of death and time of discovery will mask the external clues, not so much on the internal ones.
With carbon monoxide ruled out, I have a feeling it might have been suicide, both of them. They might have done something to the dog as well. I heard on the news it might take a few months to figure it out.
It was probably an electric heater. I don't see them as the type to be using a kerosene heater.
His pacemaker last recorded an event on the 17th of February. Article also says that the dog was in the bathroom closet that she was found in. Pill bottle was open and pills scattered on the counter top in that bathroom.
So maybe she found him dead in the foyer and decided to go with him along with the dog??
So maybe she found him dead in the foyer and decided to go with him along with the dog??
I am GUESSING that what was measured and cleared for CO was the atmosphere inside the structure... Most fire services have that capability. Pulling blood post mortem by 7-9 days isn't something they are going to do in the field, and my guess would be it would be within the scope of an autopsy. I suspect they would be looking for significant levels of carboxyhaemoglobin (COHb) in the autopsy labs as the point that CO would be ruled out.
Jim - Former MICP, current firefighter / hazmat tech.
My understanding was that the initial report said “closet” but the Sheriff later clarified that the dog was in a “dog kennel”.
“A German shepherd was found dead about 10 to 15 feet from Arakawa, the document said. That dog was in a crate or a kennel, according to Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza.”
yea,saw CO poison rarely. i am unaware of the path results that show signs at autopsy. both dead and the inside dog too,so,the CO poison story is what is said. IF no trauma or evidence of any high drug levels seems likely. NTG overdose? you could kill yourself with that and several other cardiac meds,beta blockers for sure. back in the day saw a number of digitalis ODs on little kids that got into grand's dig pills. usually went OK if got to hosp fast for digibind use. saw a couple tragedies that didn't get intervention soon enough. actually was in St.Pete then and it was THE retirement town at the time. so prob saw it more there than most other places.
Maybe he fell and she was distraught and OD? Many possibilities. She doesn’t sound like the kind of person who would have left the dog to die when 2 others running around.
Very strange; my guess he died naturally. Not sure how wife died; but likely suicide.
The problem is we don’t know for sure any of the facts. It was said that she was dead for longer based of decomposition rates, and by he had been dead for about 2 weeks.
If that’s true, in that chronological order, then that obviously wouldn’t be the case.
Toxicology and an autopsy is expected to take weeks maybe months.
looking very strange. but,that happens a lot with entertainment people's deaths starting with Marilyn and going forward.
good thought. was that indicated in any investigation releases?
I hear ya, we might learn more once the toxicology/forensics are completed, or we may never know.
Until the complete toxicology results are in, forming an accurate analysis of what happened is virtually impossible.
He was 95 and had a pacemaker, probably his heart went.
He was 95 and had a pacemaker, probably his heart went.
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