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Oh...wait...you mean as in fair trade, security agreements and paying their share, and that sort of thing? The only thing I can think of is a few bases in UK and Germany and of utmost importance, Diego Garcia (which now the UK wants to basically give away). So sir, I have no real answer for you that would offset the amount of money we've shelled out protecting their nations.
Boy the way the MSM squawks about how Trump turned his back on our "allies" you would think they won the war single handedly and are still bailing us out.
Called those fucks out on exactly this.
You'd think I was talking to the frogs how ungrateful they responded.
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Poland Prime Minister tells the EU grow some balls. He said how does it look for 500 million Europeans asking 300 million Americans to defend them from 140 million Russians?Its looks like you are all gay as fuck.
Well news just broke that Trump has paused all aid to Ukraine. And away we go.Now would be the perfect time for him to pull out of NATO and do on of his speeches like" NATO has some very bad people in it right now some are good but alot are very bad and they take advantage of us and its really unfair actually very unfair. They would urinate blood after that.
right perfect time. then say to them-"now you can stand fully with Ukraine. we won't interfer with any silly peace talks." sned an email to PUTIN-"Vlad we're out a here. do whatever the fuck you want."
FUCK EUROPE and UKRAINE
Surrendered their sovereignty to the US? What more do you want?
You can't have vassals than cry about the upkeep.
Bloody dirt.
The provide a place for wars to take place.
There's been relatively few in North America.
The provide a place for wars to take place.
There's been relatively few in North America.
Wtf is this bullshit? US has no sovereignty over Europe lol
Fucking retarded kangaroo banging inbred sodomite
Well , Sent soldiers to fight and die in every one of US wars in past 30years. About one third of Allied casualties in Afghanistan were to US allies
I live in the Netherlands and they military are very well trained but they are on a very small budget.
So they don't have enough equipment.
The government don't want to raise the budget because they expect the USA will resolve their problems.
Hopefully Trump will change that.
So they don't have enough equipment.
The government don't want to raise the budget because they expect the USA will resolve their problems.
Hopefully Trump will change that.
And DEI hire types here, we can do this all day.
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I feel bad for the Euros who are still sane, you guys must look out the window and go WTF.
Yeah let's keep the war going in Ukraine, hell escalate it, even though you don't the money or the military to do it with. Europeans egging everybody into starting a giant war, where have I heard this before, it all seems so damn familiar...
Well not exactly, once upon a time in and about 1775, a certain world super power, cried and boohooed and then threw a temper tantrum. So they sent troops over to end their misery, only to have their misery multiplied by a group of farmers and ship owners. Folks who refused to lay down and give up. (There’s a lot to be said but bending but not breaking, in other words, you don’t have to win the battles, just keep making the other guy keep having to fight battles until he gets tired and quits.).
Because this bunch has been fighting each other since the Roman Empire fell.
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It's all the Romans fault.
They didn't manage the immigration properly so they ended up as Italians.
In addition they didn't exterminate chistianity when they had the chance. If the Romans had done that islam would have been crushed in its infancy as well.
Sometimes I wonder if am a idiot or the rest of the people living here.
Then I go to the range play with weapons and talk to people who think the same as me and we come to the conclusion that the rest of the people are idiots.
I was in Iraq 2005-2006 and I saw first hand our allies from Europe - they stayed on the FOBs in a relatively peaceful AO. I specifically worked with the Italians and the British. I was in a leadership role and every time I met with the Brits the former Brit leader had rotated home and a replacement was moving in. By the time the Brit leader settled in a little - time to go home. They were combat ineffective with their constant rotations plus they had orders from UK to bring everyone home, etc.
Romanians and Republic of Georgia were motivated.
I have relatives in poland and France the Polish are the most normal.
I agree, most people in east Europe are normal.
West Europe are mostly brainwashed sheeps.
Had a girlfriend from Slovakia a while ago.
Until she told me not to buy anymore guns, now she is my ex.
But to be honest, I kinda like it that the EU doesn't have a big army.
The Germans started 2 ww's and von der Leyen is ready to start the third but she doesn't have a army.
Me and my buddy's are planning for een exit here, shit is going to hit the fan if the EU don't change there strategy.
The Germans started 2 ww's and von der Leyen is ready to start the third but she doesn't have a army.
Me and my buddy's are planning for een exit here, shit is going to hit the fan if the EU don't change there strategy.
You have protected us from what?
NATO and US involvement has never been about protection (your POV), it's been about control and profits (for the MIC not the people).
US presense in Europe has made many people in the states very wealthy, those wealthy people pay your politicians under the table, that's why NATO wasn't dissolved in 1991.
This is extremely simplified of course, and if the US pulls out of NATO, that would pretty much be the best thing that could happen for the entire world (except maybe Ukraine).
Not sure why this is directed at me. Doesn't look like we disagree, do we? And I ( that'd be the "you" in your opening salvo) have nothing to do with NATO other than living in a member state - again, not sure why this is directed at me when it appears that I agree we get little bang (no pun intended) for our buck.
Wasn't directed at you, as a person, but at the role of USA in NATO, in relations to Europe.
Was specifically aimed at that quote, because you didn't pay money to protect Europe, your tax money was used to expand NATO so the military industrial complex could get fat, and you government could gain more influence over our politics.
If anything, NATO has made Europe and the world less secure.
NATO is at the root of our whole immigrant crisis and what makes us targets for terrorist attacks among other things.
I live in Italy. They want us all to be gay because someone in charge said "we have to be able to fuck 'em all" but the plan was somehow misinterpreted down the line. It happens when we can't use hands in communications.
As per Von Moltke, no battle plan survives enemy contact, so Ivan will certainly fuck us, but noone will notice the difference.
As per Von Moltke, no battle plan survives enemy contact, so Ivan will certainly fuck us, but noone will notice the difference.
Poland and UK secured Iraqi oil fields during Desert Storm. They contributed special forces soldiers to Desert Shield as well.
As did Denmark send troops when the US asked for help, but other than that yes Europe has taken advantage of big brother USA .
I'm kinda hoping Trump pulls out of NATO and the corrupt EU falls in on itself
I'm kinda hoping Trump pulls out of NATO and the corrupt EU falls in on itself
German, French and UK armies have been gutted for the last 20 years.
During Desert Storm the Germans had like 3000 operational tanks, now they have I think 100 leopard 2 and 50 of whatever their new one is.
Eh they'd probably have to get through the Turks first and the Turks actually have a functional military. Of course if the Turks decided to go all Ottoman 2.0 they'd probably be in Paris within a week.
Uh, most European states have surrendered the sovereignty to the EU.
US Generals are not allowed to be the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. It rotates around member nations and always has.
Even worse, most EU nations have surrendered their sovereignty to Muslim councils in their cities, who exercise sharia law.
This includes punishing actual Europeans for asking questions about Pakistani rape gangs, who have been protected by cuck-simps in UK parliament, media, and academia.
I have lived all over Europe and watched it change dramatically from the 1970s to the present. European Parliaments have sabotaged and done everything in their power to culturally and demographically commit suicide. It is one of the saddest chapters in human history.
I imagine many in the EU are asking what has the US done for them, other than destabilize the world and ultimately cause millions of migrants to flood into the EU.
The way they welcome rapefugees makes me think they were in on that destabilization.
Europe just had the most European meeting ever on Ukraine where they decided that they aren't sure whether or not they want to continue supporting Ukraine, they aren't sure they want to end the war and they aren't sure they want to spend the money to rebuild their militaries either.
They have used our power and influence as protection, all the while using the money they saved on defense for their social welfare programs. If they didn’t have big brother US standing in front of them, they would have had to spend much more on defense.
The US has been the only ones playing world Police since the fall of the Berlin wall. The rest of the world was happy to let them do so.
Undoubtedly most countries in the West haven't taken defense seriously but that's because they were stupid enough to think the end of the Cold War meant world peace.
Don't kid yourself into think the US has been the only good guy on the planet protecting everyone.
It's clear now (thanks to Doge) that the US has been the leader of instability in the world trying to reorganize it in their favour, including in Ukraine.
You might not like it, support it, or voted for it but that doesn't make it false.
It's clear the wars and meddling of the 90s and 2000s have made the world increasingly unstable.
The UK and other countries have played their role too, but the US has been the leader.
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