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A few that matter ,like the ones that share a commonality of military logistics with NATO members .....fix what is broken rather than scrap the entire force and have them devolve into every country for themselves easily picked off one by one . imho
I'm not saying scrap the entire force. The US should pull out because non of the European countries would step up if the US had a conflict.
On the flip side if the US pulled support from NATO the organization would last about 15 minutes.
 
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It seems you have been with some tesla drivin libs , every east european country has magnitudes more idea to ''concept of armed self defense'' than any western nation including US and i mean magnitudes, if anything commies molded that in , with kids in school practicing shooting , everyone conscripted ,and all sort of shit to make cannon foder for total war. Since 2022 that got revived and turbocharged , Everyone of them has active reservist associations training thousands

But yes true what you said in regards to them being depended of Nato and US

In US you have many guns and folks with guns , but 95% have no concept beyond personal self defense which is not even remotely useful in fighting a war. If nothing else, the percentage of the population that went trough basic miltary training which is kinda low bar but still higher than just owning a glock .


Things they need to learn fast is that US and NATO might not be behind them so might need adjust their attitudes on whom and how much they might want to aggravate. Their politicians run an extremely hawkish line(Lindsey Graham is a super dove in comparison) on Russia ,China ,xyz that they can not back up with anything.

US ,NATO being the gate. And gate opening is what is now happening.

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The gate in that gif is the internet as we know it.
The dogs are keyboard warriors/internet tough guys.

The open gate is the dogs meeting in person, without the safety of anonymity.
 
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i think this boils down to America 1st. it's like the stupor bowel. if KC had won,would your live be better or affected in any way? if Europe gets ass raped by Russia that never crossed the Atlantic or invaded w. hemis,would your life and your country suffer some tragic outcome? of course not.
yes Putin is a corrupt brutal dictator and has fucked with our internal affairs just like his predecessors. BTW we do the same. KGB and FSB just do it better than our incompetent CIA. we should fix that like we should have decades ago. a nuclear war is not a great fix. the fact is that if we had a strong dept of DEFENSE and appropriate posture,there would be no reason and no ability for Russia to fuck with us. we could actually do biz with them under stable mutually cautious conditions.
Super Bowl doesn’t involve hundreds of billions annual trade though.

Between the US and Europe, we have tightly-connected industries and trade.

Nobody is going to cut that off. It has been built over the last 4 centuries across every industry you can imagine.

Simpleton mindsets who see everything as either/or are not well-suited to even peek into these facts.

Russia would love to swarm in and take the sea ports, farmlands, refineries, factories, highways, and co-opt them with drunken mongoloid slav brains, counting on the US abandoning Europe.

Trump is already signaling more investment eastward into Europe, on top of his past term with positive strides made with Poland, Hungary, and Ukraine.

I have yet to see any alternate media sources accurately covering any of this information. The legacy media are a lost cause of course.
 
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the isolationists in the 30s were right and that hasn't changed. if you think the battle casualties and resource loses we took in the 20th & 21st centuries,constant undermining of our gov and risk of nuc war were worth our "trade" with Europe,great maybe Iraq and Libya were also good for our "trade". BTW Churchill was as big a factor in dragging us into WW2 as Stalin was. he even admitted it. because of European failure to defend themselves has cost us trillions,the "trade" is a balance totally in their favor. there isn't 1 thing we get from Europe that can't be produced here. if Russia did over run Europe,which wouldn't happen,where would they sell their shit? to us in "trade" just like now. take a historical look at empires. they usually aren't long term winners.
in addition their insulting non appreciating behavior for our bailing them out 3xs is like Zelinsky's. maybe he learned it from w. Europe and he thought it would work for him.
of course our "trade" with Europe is often in the form of MIC sales to them or to our own mil to use there. that trade is certainly a better benefit to Americans than spending it on No.Carolina or Maui or FL or fixing our own infrastructure. but,that's OK as long as Europe is protected from Russia and they can repopulate with animals from mid east with no interference.
eastern Europe looks like they may have gotten a clue. but they are essentially land locked and next door to Russia. any attempt to interfere there would be about as retarded as UK declaring war to defend Poland in 1939. which,BTW,Churchill ended up handing to Stalin anyway.
you are right,the current situation isn't gonna change. our rulers have too much to gain in the status quo. same with Europe's rulers keeping the current bunch in power is such a benefit to Americans.