Bear Independent: Pam Bondi Should Resign Over Epstein Files No Release!
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They should have fired him. No resignation allowed.
According to NewsMax this morning, he was fired for insubordination. Fired. He did not resign.
The fact that there were thousands of documents that are coming to light (a truckload) and that there may be documents that have been removed (without logging) and redacted goes against the order from Bondi and the order against Trump. And a federal judge.
The documents are being reviewed now.
The question is not who gets fired or resigned. But who gets arrested and charged. If documents were removed or redacted or shredded or otherwise destroyed, it's felony time.
Yeah, I wanted to see everything last week, too. But you know what? I am willing to wait as I watch this process unfold. It's been under two weeks since Patel got confirmed. Within less than a week, a boatload of agents was in NY and the office under lockdown. Yesterday the head is fired for insubordination (according to news... I know nothing more than that.)
If it takes a few more days to review documents and, in the process, create cases against pedos AND feds who were breaking the law...well, so be it. This "I want it this minute" theme here on SH doesn't take into account that the left delayed the FBI Director for weeks for NO GOOD REASON... except to give federal employees weeks to cover up their crimes.
The question is... are they capable of covering things up given the redundancy and 'big reach' of the systems designed to track and save materials. As I said in another post, the FBI has 'the varsity' when it comes to forensic data... and to retrieve it you have to know all the tricks to destroying it. If anyone can destroy it, their techies can. BUT as someone else pointed out, the techies tend, as a group, to be against destroying things. And are probably a lot less political than the senior execs who may be ordering them to break the law. And not everyone is a compromised leftist mole. So there will be people who are working just as hard to protect the info that will rid them of the leftists and poltical hacks in their midst.
So I can be patient. For the first time since Epstein didn't hang himself, I get the feeling that things are actually happening in the right direction.
Sirhr
Maybe the crybabies who were bitching and wanting the AG head on a platter should quote their original post and retract it.
no, there are thousands of pages. A lot of it has already been released, but it's heavily redacted.
She dropped the ball and now we wonder if she's incompetent, or Barr V2 for Trump.
At this point, I have my suspicions. She literally lied to us, she said she had the files on her desk. So either she never did: incompetent. Or did and released this fake thing: a liar. None of the explanations are good for bondi.
About the only "good" outcome is they are building cases before they drop the ball, but why not just say that?
Apparently they cannot decide on how to sell it lol. I guess a rose by any other name.......still means he his gone.
https://abc7ny.com/post/head-fbi-ne...shakeup-bureau-trump-administration/15973996/
Head of FBI New York office says he's retired from the bureau after being ordered to do so
The head of the FBI’s New York field office, who was reported to have resisted Justice Department efforts to scrutinize agents who participated in politically sensitive investigations, has told coworkers that he has retired from the bureau after being directed to do so.
apnews.com
Apparently they cannot decide on how to sell it lol. I guess a rose by any other name.......still means he his gone.
https://abc7ny.com/post/head-fbi-ne...shakeup-bureau-trump-administration/15973996/
Head of FBI New York office says he's retired from the bureau after being ordered to do so
The head of the FBI’s New York field office, who was reported to have resisted Justice Department efforts to scrutinize agents who participated in politically sensitive investigations, has told coworkers that he has retired from the bureau after being directed to do so.
Resign or be prosecuted...
Personally, I think he should be stripped of pension and prosecuted if he did anything wrong. But maybe still an option?
Allowing someone to retire may also be a tactic that will help convince 'others' that they better cooperate and be able to leave with a resignation and a pension... rather than prosecution which will cause people to go into hiding, damage control or 'full postal' mode.
Sirhr
PS:
Tiny
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Epstein was ALWAYS a mossad operation. Our overlords do not like being called out for doing Jewish things.
Notice this guy’s last name?
I told you so.
FBI and ATF SACs and ASACs are almost always Italian or Irish last names. Why is that?
I’m Scots-Irish on my dad’s side, and my wife is Italian by the way. This isn’t about that.
It’s about the fact that the Bureau was started by Charles Joseph Bonaparte in 1908, and has been a front gatekeeper organization for organized crime since its inception. They started out spying on members of Congress to co-opt them and run protection for the families. It’s why faggot Hoover asserted for decades that the Mafia was a myth.
Even the whistle-blowers are Italians and Irish:
ATF Jay Dobyns
ATF Peter J. Forcelli
The Fast & Furious managers:
Acting ATF Chief Ken Melson
Deputy Director for Field Operations William McMahon
Phoenix SAC Bill Newell
Phoenix ASAC George Gillette (accused of raping a female ATF employee at the LA office when he was RAIC there, got reassigned to Phoenix. He also sold his FN FiveSeven to a cartel straw-buyer, which was found at a mass murder scene)
Group Supervisor David Voth
"These guys are protected. They're insulated. They're all part of a club," Dobyns said, alleging that the ATF has a history of retaliating against its own who speak up.
"They risk everything, knowing that everything they worked for, their careers, their reputations, their finances, are all going to be ruined."
Case in point, he said, is field agent John Dodson. Dodson uprooted his family from Virginia in 2010 to join a new elite anti-gun trafficking group in Phoenix, known as Group 7. Dodson quickly witnessed what was wrong and loudly voiced his objections to Voth and Newell.
Management reassigned Dodson to weekend duty and the wire room, a relatively boring job monitoring telephone traffic and subordinate to junior agents. Soon thereafter, Dodson was temporarily assigned to another group for an additional menial assignment, until ultimately sent to an FBI Task Force, completely away from the ATF, even turning off his ATF building access pass.
Dodson continued to challenge Voth, saying the operation was killing people in Mexico and suggested it was only a matter of time before a "border agent or sheriff's deputy" would be killed by one of the guns they let go.
"If you're going to make an omelet, you've got to scramble some eggs," Voth replied, according to a congressional report.
Voth moved Dodson out of Group 7 shortly before Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot by weapons traced to Fast and Furious. Newell, Gillette and Voth began to cover up their tracks. According to an e-mail 24 hours after Terry was shot, Voth wrote:
"We are charging Avila (Jaime Avila bought the alleged murder weapons) with a stand-alone June 2010 firearms purchase. This way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."
"Great job," Newell replied.
Fast & Furious Whistle-Blowers
Epstein is way bigger than a single intelligence agency. Of course he was running the sex-trafficking blackmail operation, but he really made his money in shadow-banking for heads of state, foreign government illegal trade, various intelligence agencies, and people dealing in billions who don’t want to pay taxes.
This is exactly what Ghislaine Maxwell’s dad was into as well. He took a fall off his yacht and disappeared. After his death, Ghislaine ran to Epstein in New York.
The sex-trafficking and sexual blackmail operation helped leverage their influence over their primary money-laundering clients.
This is exactly what Ghislaine Maxwell’s dad was into as well. He took a fall off his yacht and disappeared. After his death, Ghislaine ran to Epstein in New York.
The sex-trafficking and sexual blackmail operation helped leverage their influence over their primary money-laundering clients.
it seems to me that the system of dealing with corrupt feds,esp ones that are armed and have arrest power,is ass backwards. it should be guilty until proven innocent.,not innocent til proven guilty. any indication,accusation or potential for corrupt acts should be prima facie justification of firing them and pulling their pension. want your job back? prove you did nothing wrong in front of a tribunal similar to a grand jury process. that should maybe be made up of non gov associated citizens.
actually every FBI agent in the country should be fired and subjected to such a tribunal. same goes for any other DOJ storm troopers like ATF.
oh,but some are clean and do good work? BULLSHIT OF THE 1ST MAGNITUDE!
actually every FBI agent in the country should be fired and subjected to such a tribunal. same goes for any other DOJ storm troopers like ATF.
oh,but some are clean and do good work? BULLSHIT OF THE 1ST MAGNITUDE!
While I like the spirit...
We are a nation of "innocent until proven guiilty." (Unless you are a Jan. 6 protestor or an enemy of the mostly-peaceful left).
But we are better than that. And as I said, there is some strategy in offering a soft landing.
Nothing is more dangerous than a cornered animal. So it's not a bad strategy to give them an opening to escape from the corner.
But don't forget, either, that once the animal is a safe distance away, you can always spine shoot it... and finish it that way. Yes, I have no problem with letting someone retire... then prosecuting the living shit out of them. Those federal pensions don't go very far on legal bills for treason.
Remember who went after Trump 'after he retired.' And lots of others. Payback for supporting their enemy.
So innocent until proven guilty. But if found guilty, then the penalty should be commensurate with the amount of PUBLIC trust that someone had. In other words, if you are a senior Federal LE official who went off the reservation and violated the public's trust at a level of epic that we've seen over the past 16 years.... then the penalty should be commensurate with the treason you committed.
Sirhr
The Bureau of Investigation was formed to spy on members of Congress and prominent businessmen, collect or entrap incriminating evidence against them, to shake them down and expand the Mafia’s power in the US.
AG Bonaparte was stealing Secret Service Agents and hiring Private Detectives to do this in the early 1900s, before proposing the BOI in 1908. Congress opposed it vehemently, but then they had a little talking to with the oppositional members like John Fitzgerald, and all-of-a-sudden, they had majority support for the creation of the BOI.
That’s how it came into being. They’re so stupid, they even publish their compromise out of the gate on the official FBI website:
A Brief History - FBI
AG Bonaparte was stealing Secret Service Agents and hiring Private Detectives to do this in the early 1900s, before proposing the BOI in 1908. Congress opposed it vehemently, but then they had a little talking to with the oppositional members like John Fitzgerald, and all-of-a-sudden, they had majority support for the creation of the BOI.
That’s how it came into being. They’re so stupid, they even publish their compromise out of the gate on the official FBI website:
A Brief History - FBI
They claim they were formed to fight organized crime, yet J. Edgar Hoover openly stated for decades that the Mafia was a myth.
Red flag. Who was he gate-keeping for?
Red flag. Who was he gate-keeping for?
This is why we kept saying "keep the fucking Irish out!" [Insert the usual Blazing Saddles Clip here]
Realistically... they're all Irish because the Irish Immigrants assimilated so effectiively that within two generations they went from unwanted subhuman animals (in the eyes of many Americans)... to the very symbols of law and order in America.
The "Iriish Cop on the Beat" has been an image for 100 years. Why? Because they were willing to do a job that a lot of others didn't want to do. In the post-war period, the Italian-American community did the same thing. Serpico (on of my heroes since I was a kid) was an Italian-American who didn't sign on to the whole image of the Cosa Nostra.... but wanted to be a part of real law and order. Like his father, brothers and uncles.
And for anyone who has never been there... Arlington Cemetery and (more poignantly) the American cemetery at Normandy... is a big mixed-up lot of people with names like Goldberg, Fracelli, O'Toole, Chavez, Yee and even Muller. Lots of headstones with stars on them, too. In fact, since they were infantry cannon fodder, I'd argue that they probably outnumber the English/dutch/scot patrician names like Smith, Jones, Reid, and Jansen. The patrician families got their kids jobs as officers or REMF's.
Tribes, clubs, continents, natonalities... are supposed to melt here. And for 2.25 centuries, they did. And then came a fucking political strategy launched by the left called "Identity politics."
Don't get me wrong... I'll take the piss out of anyone and make fun of anything I can. The darker the humor the better. Hebes, micks, wops, chinks, homeboys, japs, beaners,vikinigs, backwards-assed-slavs, Bantu's, sheep-shagging Scots, midgets, dykes, retards, sperm-burpers, snow-beaners, redsknis, old people, teens nar-nar's, muzzies, WOG's, mackeral-snappers, John Bull's, Bible Thumpers, the Magic Underware types and, especially, commies. No sacred cows (yeah, that means you dot-types)
So yeah... he was part of a club. You know what that club should be called? The "un-American Traitor pieces of shit Seditionist" club. And I don't care what your melanin content is, what gong you bang on religion day or whether you think Excel is your Tribe's version of a Video Game.... if you aren't a fucking traitor and are an American First... you are my type of person.
Except the fucking Irish. Because it had to be said.
Sirhr
right the DOI then FBI was a tool for political control from day 1. Hoover was notorious for having files and dirt on everyone he could target. used it for a club to stay in power and control for decades. don't see that behavior changing much since '72.The Bureau of Investigation was formed to spy on members of Congress and prominent businessmen, collect or entrap incriminating evidence against them, to shake them down and expand the Mafia’s power in the US.
AG Bonaparte was stealing Secret Service Agents and hiring Private Detectives to do this in the early 1900s, before proposing the BOI in 1908. Congress opposed it vehemently, but then they had a little talking to with the oppositional members like John Fitzgerald, and all-of-a-sudden, they had majority support for the creation of the BOI.
That’s how it came into being. They’re so stupid, they even publish their compromise out of the gate on the official FBI website:
A Brief History - FBI
It’s just odd that Federal agencies that were created under the Progressive Era banner started with an Italian AG who was Napoleon’s grand nephew, and all the SACs and ASACs are either Irish or Italians, with apostate Jew attorneys.
The only other organization that fits that mold is the Mafia/National Crime Syndicate. Jews can’t be made men, but were the accountants and attorneys. Oh look, Dettelbach fits right into that mold. Coincidence?
German ancestry is the largest ethnic origin for Americans, yet we don’t see German names in FBI and ATF as SACs and ASACs. Irish are a huge segment of the population after the Potato Famines for sure, sending a surge of Irish into the early US even before the Civil War. Italians are the 6th-largest ethnic origin group.
But if I was in organized crime, I would buy up mayors, judges, police chiefs, senators, congressmen, waste management firms, services, small companies, and make sure to have inside-men in every law enforcement agency that could cause me problems. This is exactly what happened during Prohibition.
The only other organization that fits that mold is the Mafia/National Crime Syndicate. Jews can’t be made men, but were the accountants and attorneys. Oh look, Dettelbach fits right into that mold. Coincidence?
German ancestry is the largest ethnic origin for Americans, yet we don’t see German names in FBI and ATF as SACs and ASACs. Irish are a huge segment of the population after the Potato Famines for sure, sending a surge of Irish into the early US even before the Civil War. Italians are the 6th-largest ethnic origin group.
But if I was in organized crime, I would buy up mayors, judges, police chiefs, senators, congressmen, waste management firms, services, small companies, and make sure to have inside-men in every law enforcement agency that could cause me problems. This is exactly what happened during Prohibition.
If you want a great and well-researched book... Anthony Summers "Official and Confidential" the biography of J. Edgar Hoover is superb.
Remember, Hoover, did not just have 'the good's' on everyone. He also was a master of new media. Radio, TV, Movies and public relations... to promote the image of the G-Man.
Great read.
Another great book that gives a lot of insight into the post-Hoover FBI is "No Heroes" by Danny Coulson, one of the plankowners of the FBI's HRT.
He covers some really interesting evolutions within the bureau in the late Hoover/post Hoover era. And gives a lot of insight into some of the real screw-ups by the FBI on things like Ruby Ridge, Waco and Ok City. It's an amazing read by a guy who really 'understood' where things were going wrong. And was alienated and ultimately driven-out of the Bureau for his views.
Sirhr
you and i have had dif of opinion before. no big deal. our opinions are of no consequence to our rulers. i will admit that MAYBE we have turned a corner to where the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty can be used. MAYBE. i will maintain that,say,a year ago there was an issue of simple survival,of freedom even life, vis a vis the deep state was questionable. sorry but i believed at that time that the rules needed to go out the window.
being "better" is of no value vs loss of freedom,property and even life. it was a matter of societal and individual survival IMHO. we were contesting with people who only used their excuse for law in a perverted fashion and paid no attention to truth,justice or accountability for those actions. my idea sort of a "better dead than red" thing.
i am very aware of your point about making then losing control of a monster. we have seen it many times before in history. french revolution a classic example. also am aware of your point about putting popular things in play and having them used to destroy people. patriot act a classic. implemented by huge pop citizen and congressional support then used to attack American citizens who won't play by the deep state's rules.
it's early in the new game so time is an issue but important. i just see that a lot of effort is being spent making things efficient and fair. not gonna work. Americans have too short a memory. cornered animals dangerous? yea,but you shoot them not reason with them.
I got Danny Coulson’s book when it came out. He was actually instrumental in the eff-up at Ruby Ridge, because of the ROE sent by Main Justice with the shoot-to-kill order against all adults on-site armed with weapons, even if they weren’t pointed at anyone.
That’s the ROE Lon Horiuchi and the HRT were using for their wannabe commando raid on Weaver’s family. Coulson said he didn’t see one of the pages sent via fax, which must have fallen behind the fax machine onto the floor.
"5. In preparing to send snipers into the hills around the Weaver cabin, Richard Rogers made a final change in the proposed revised rules of engagement: "deadly force can be employed" was changed to "deadly force can and should be employed." The operational plan, including the revised rules of engagement, was faxed to Washington on the afternoon of August 22 for final approval. Danny Coulson in Washington objected to the operations plan with respect to its discussion of negotiations. Revisions of that aspect of the plan were made and then Coulson approved the overall plan. Later, no one at the FBI headquarters would admit actually reviewing the final revised rules of engagement, even though it was part of the operational plan that had been faxed. "
There’s another book called Cold Zero by Chris Whitcomb, who was a new FBI Sniper at Ruby Ridge at the time. He talks about the ROE discussion that went around them as they were staged, and nobody blinked an eye when it became a shoot-to-kill order. The junior guys looked up to the senior guys to say something, but nobody did, so they went with it. He had a moment of ethical dissonance, but didn’t want to make waves.
I read both Coulson’s and Whitcomb’s books to gain better insight into the HRT’s perspective on the incident, and it was clear they were in CYA mode writing their memoirs. Chris supported the story about Randy pointing a rifle at the helicopter as a pretext for shooting him, which was proven to be BS in court. They were going in pretending to be military commandos pure and simple, with a shoot-to-kill order from Clinton’s DOJ.
That’s the ROE Lon Horiuchi and the HRT were using for their wannabe commando raid on Weaver’s family. Coulson said he didn’t see one of the pages sent via fax, which must have fallen behind the fax machine onto the floor.
"5. In preparing to send snipers into the hills around the Weaver cabin, Richard Rogers made a final change in the proposed revised rules of engagement: "deadly force can be employed" was changed to "deadly force can and should be employed." The operational plan, including the revised rules of engagement, was faxed to Washington on the afternoon of August 22 for final approval. Danny Coulson in Washington objected to the operations plan with respect to its discussion of negotiations. Revisions of that aspect of the plan were made and then Coulson approved the overall plan. Later, no one at the FBI headquarters would admit actually reviewing the final revised rules of engagement, even though it was part of the operational plan that had been faxed. "
There’s another book called Cold Zero by Chris Whitcomb, who was a new FBI Sniper at Ruby Ridge at the time. He talks about the ROE discussion that went around them as they were staged, and nobody blinked an eye when it became a shoot-to-kill order. The junior guys looked up to the senior guys to say something, but nobody did, so they went with it. He had a moment of ethical dissonance, but didn’t want to make waves.
I read both Coulson’s and Whitcomb’s books to gain better insight into the HRT’s perspective on the incident, and it was clear they were in CYA mode writing their memoirs. Chris supported the story about Randy pointing a rifle at the helicopter as a pretext for shooting him, which was proven to be BS in court. They were going in pretending to be military commandos pure and simple, with a shoot-to-kill order from Clinton’s DOJ.
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