We all kinda knew this...ATF monitoring
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Well, if they fall off, it proves that Darwin was right.
Just 'sayin!
ATF guys are more about not being able to handle sloped roofs in Waco.... and screwing up fragerant pine trails in places like Ruby Ridge... requiring backup from idiots who shoot wives with babies in hand.
But what can I say. I'm an historian. Not biased. Just looking at some nar-nar shit and calling it like the record sees it.
Sirhr
saw that re motorcycles with my gr.sons phone years ago. my shock was huge and has not abated. we all know everything we say on here is monitored,recorded and stored for future use. just hope i am too old and insignificant enough to not waste a drone or a ruby ridge raid on.
an LOL that.
I'd rather that the left come after the inistallations at Schloss Nitrocellulose than the kids of patriots. I've lived a great life and served America in and out of uniform. If they want to attack the Constitution, start with guys like me and, well, me.
If they come after me an my ilk... then the youngerns will get to see that there are folks worth standing up for and avenging.
So... monitor away. And even come after folks who view the Constitution as a real beacon and the basis of the Shininig City On A Hill.
Really. Come after us. Our kids and grandkids and acolytes will have a cause to rally around.
And if you are a glowiie who puts Das Kapital ahead of Jeffersons Consitution... Can I quote from another thread when I say "no Refunds"
Sirhr
Weed is not legal in all 50 states, but I do believe alcohol is............and there is a substantial state tax on weed in every state where it is legal.............
And- even with alcohol- institutionalized govt graft keeps “dry” counties chugging along.
sorry but you can blame all of that of Christian fanatics. they have consistently used the lethal police power of the state to force compliance with their "morality" programs. gov follows along to generate friendly votes. county i live in is still "dry" on Sunday. Jesus doesn't want you buying any whiskey on Sunday. you can still load up on beer and wine in conven and groc store,just not in a liquor store. and,you can still tank up on whiskey in a bar and drive your BA of 150 home in your car. keep the $ moving but make the fanatics happy. win,win for the county govs that play that game.
The religious fanatics may have started it but; bootleggers, and organized crime, and a web of LEOs and judges and lawyers and govt admins (all with their hands out) propagate it and continue to profit from it today.
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What’s the difference between a Catholic and a Baptist?
A Catholic will say hi to you at the liquor store.
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Why do liquor stores open at noon on Sunday?
So the Baptists can stop on the way home from church, and not make 2 trips.
since gov exists there are always those who happily engage in graft and corruption. "those who seek power are not worthy of that power" makes gov a no win deal for the common serfs
When someone local gets caught selling alcohol to minors, they get local charges. As for running moonshine, that has not been profitable since Joseph Kennedy was in business. Even then, most moonshiners were convicted on the new income tax horseshit.
In any case, no one asked for federal agency to investigate or even make up rules and prosecute a constitutional right. And none of the actions by the BAFTE has made anyone even one millimeter safer. Not once. It is a money pit that only exists to turn good people into criminals by the mere stroke of a pen.
In my lifetime, I have not once seen a news story on them busting a moonshiner ring or illegal distribution of alcohol. Would they have not been the agency to pursue Smokey and the Bandit? Not a sheriff chasing his son's bride-to-be?
Not one bit of a story about the agency busting a group or person for smuggling or pirating tobacco. Seems like all they do is concentrate on the F in BAFTE. Enforcing laws that they make up themselves.
In any case, no one asked for federal agency to investigate or even make up rules and prosecute a constitutional right. And none of the actions by the BAFTE has made anyone even one millimeter safer. Not once. It is a money pit that only exists to turn good people into criminals by the mere stroke of a pen.
In my lifetime, I have not once seen a news story on them busting a moonshiner ring or illegal distribution of alcohol. Would they have not been the agency to pursue Smokey and the Bandit? Not a sheriff chasing his son's bride-to-be?
Not one bit of a story about the agency busting a group or person for smuggling or pirating tobacco. Seems like all they do is concentrate on the F in BAFTE. Enforcing laws that they make up themselves.
ROFL, well... if you want to have a religious conversion... People tend to think I'm mean... I say I just studied for several years until man, it's either go down the path of nihilism or yes Jesus was and is exactly who he said he was. Everything else is a bad joke by comparison.
It's a means of power.... wouldn't want the civilian populace getting ideas... AND have AT4's, 81mm MTR or old Sherman tanks, that's scary..... like no that's really scary there's some friggin retards I don't want to be around who have a firearm and live ammo near by. imagine if they had a RPG..... Now that said, man the constitution says what it says, those people, personal accountability be a thing. And we're a nation of laws or we're not, stop the fence riding and arresting people like the guy from the CRS channel for a drawing on a card a gunsmith couldn't even make work and pretend you're protecting people from anything.
Exactly. All Matt Hoover did was talk about it and they finally decided that his videos constituted distribution. Before he ever made the first video, he contacted the ATF to make sure he could talk about and they said yes.
What? Dare I say the ATF is big steaming pile of shit? I do dare. I dare say that.
if personal responsibility was "enforced" as a basic element of our legal system about 70% of our laws would be unnecessary. ie if you do the crime,you do the time (or the ride on old sparky). doesn't matter if you were beaten as a kid,drunk,on meds,whatever. that is in only a very small way a part of our system. our liberal overseers use anything as an excuse to allow and forgive any bad behavior. handling of our recent imported scum seem consistent with that?
They didn't make any friends in this area when they charged him and went forward with prosecution.
Johnny Knoxvilles documentary about him was pretty good. The hanging boots still crack me up.
Our Country hasn’t been taking treason seriously for the past 50-70 years I would say, to the point that the political class sees it as a legitimate way to enrich themselves without consequence.
So no, I don’t see the Brazen bull as extreme. In fact, I want one shaped like an Rhino, and the other shaped like a Jackass.
Park them at the steps of the Capitol building for crowds of people to observe as the convicted traitors’ fire-fueled screams echo out across the mall. Traitors need to understand that there are consequences for betraying America like this, when they were given high positions of trust.
There is no other real way to do it properly. Firing squads and hangings are too quick.
I for one will not support torture. If legitimate authorities are to execute someone it should be swift.
the uses of capital punishment are 1) reduce recidivism 2) serve as an educational warning about the cost of certain acts 3) revenge,which many will say is not a valid reason. i disagree. it is a perfectly valid response many horrific actions.
non of those goals are met by our current criminal loving practices; humane execution hidden away after 10 + years of expensive game playing and grand standing by lawyers on both sides,effectiveness is gone when attention is diluted by long time forgetting of events.
punishment should be done publicly not hidden away. maybe the technique should be based on the gravity of the crime. yes,there are property crimes that should be capital.
the problem comes with our criminal justice system. guilt or innocence is not important. it is which lawyer wins the game that matters.
the other problem is the corruption and incompetence of the system. determining verdict has many times been mishandled and results been in error.
non of those goals are met by our current criminal loving practices; humane execution hidden away after 10 + years of expensive game playing and grand standing by lawyers on both sides,effectiveness is gone when attention is diluted by long time forgetting of events.
punishment should be done publicly not hidden away. maybe the technique should be based on the gravity of the crime. yes,there are property crimes that should be capital.
the problem comes with our criminal justice system. guilt or innocence is not important. it is which lawyer wins the game that matters.
the other problem is the corruption and incompetence of the system. determining verdict has many times been mishandled and results been in error.
Let’s add the death penalty for prosecutors police judges etc knowingly hiding exonerating evidence etc.
Oh and all the labs / lab techs that have been falsifying evidence
That’s the problem with death penalty. Too many liars on the gov side.
additional thoughts. use LRRP52's brazen bull on Fauciz? if you did that do you think other corrupt pharm execs or gov DRs or billionaire manipulators would gamble and throw the dice for more corruption? is raping and murdering a 6 yo girl the same as shooting someone in a drunken argument? just some ?s.
said so myself. i am not wise enough to spring an answer. i do question the justice of keeping a Ted Bundy in prison for 10 yr @ 100k/year until the lawyer games are played out. the system,like most here and now,is in bad need of repair.
It's as if I asked you to say you have no idea about distillery without telling me.
All distilled alcohol has a mixture of ethanol and methanol. Foreshot, heads, hearts, tails all have a mixture of both.
And hundreds of thousands die every year from malpractice. Tens of thousands die in car accidents.... And he participated in many of them but the fear of alcohol poisoning is so overwhelming that he needs the govt to protect him.
"Torture" should always be in the toolbox but used selectively.
If someone has information regarding any plan or program to do you, your family or your country harm but are not forthcoming with details, interviewing/interrogation methods should always include persuasive means that some may define as "torture".
If someone has done or was attempting to do deadly harm to you, your family or your country but no normal societal mechanism remained in place to allow proper trial/sentencing/punishment, "torture" up to and including death should be on the table.
Done publicly, it would have tangible benefits of deterring similar crimes in the future.
Never say never. Being absolute in a statement should be qualified by constraints.
If i catch some guy in the act of some horrible thing with a family member of mine, only the good Lord could forgive what would take place.
Torture and treason should really go hand-in-hand as a deterrence.
The significance and scale of harm done to your Countrymen through treason, especially when entrusted with high office, has to be accounted for in the punishment.
Simple execution and imprisonment doesn’t deter these people.
Instead, low-level idiots are occasionally thrown out in the public sphere as tokens to convince the remaining gullible masses that there is some kind of accountability.
You know Clinton sold China some of our most advanced military technology in the 1990s, right? Under SECSTATE Hillary Clinton, OPM was compromised with millions of SF86s handed over to the CCP and Russia.
After Putin announced that he was revitalizing Russia’s nuclear forces, he paid $363 million into Clinton Global Initiative through a network of intermediaries so he could buy controlling interest in US and Canadian Uranium mining with the Uranium One deal.
ATF SACs and ASACs literally enabled thousands of firearms to be smuggled into Mexico, which have shown up and continue to show up at mass murder crime scenes.
These treasonous offenses have resulted in the deaths of thousands of people already, while we face the potential of millions losing their lives from the sale of Uranium and advanced weapons systems to China and Russia.
A bullet to the head is not proportional or appropriate. They must blow the horn in the Brazen Bull.
In my classes when I was in the Army I was taught torture is very unreliable for gathering useful information as well as just my studies of the Bible and deciding to follow Jesus, I see no value in it.
Vengeance if you’re so inclined to peruse such a thing sure. But neither are justice, justifiable or moral imo. You’re welcome to you’re own opinion you don’t have to agree with me.
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