Berger 185gr Juggernauts
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I tried the 185 Hybrid but do to the length i could not fit them in mt AICS MAG. The juggernauts are shorter and should fit better. i am thinks i may give them a shot.
Nice this is awesome looks like I got some work to do this weekend....looks like varget is the go to powder...also anyone use SRP brass
Warner Flatlines 180s at...
.025 jump which gave me about 3.220 OAL (so no way to magazine feed them in a short action). H4895 was really good, I ran them up to 43.0 grains which was about 2730 FPS, but ended in the mid 42’s which a nice flat spot from 42.4 to 42.7.
Well I will try those out I've just started looking into those rounds after seeing your post...might try out the 160s as well...some have said they can be loaded shorter to fit into a magazine
Thanks for all the input so far...looking to develop a load for next years Mammoth challenge as the secondary shooter
I shoot these from factorycfederal and they yield .7 or better moa. So it’s what I’ll load first.
So I just purchased some 185 jugs and 155 flatlines...does anyone have experience with the cutting edge 182 mtacs
210M primers
185 Juggernauts
Lapua Brass
43.5-44 gr Varget (depends which rifle I'm shooting)
.018" jump
Shoots lights out @200 yrds-600 yrds 1/4-1/2 MOA all day
5 shots at 200yrds last weekend out of a RPR.
Load, pull the trigger and smile!
185 Juggernauts
Lapua Brass
43.5-44 gr Varget (depends which rifle I'm shooting)
.018" jump
Shoots lights out @200 yrds-600 yrds 1/4-1/2 MOA all day
5 shots at 200yrds last weekend out of a RPR.
Load, pull the trigger and smile!
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I have shot over 1k Juggers from a 308 win. 300 yards from a Surgeon Scapel Bartlein MTU 1-10! Measured .452 off a bipod and rear bag. Hammers at 1k yards...
Not really, I was getting pressure signs with 42grs of Varget in Lapua brass at 2.925” which was 20 off.
Is anyone getting juggernauts to load in aics mags? I measured my throat to 2.360 on Hornady OAL gauge to ogive and at 2.340 they won’t seat mags. I had to go to 2.309 to get to mag feed which is a huge jump.
that sure sounds real long. My measurements to the lands in my tikka is 2.268 /2.935 coal, and i load them .017 off the lands (2.2510 - 2.911 coal) won't fit in my AICS Magazine but will fit in my MDT Metal Mag that has 2.960 coal.
I know this is about 185's but on the Varget bottle there max load for a 168SMK is 46gr. No reloading books that I know of come even close to that. I have both the Berger and Hornady books. There very conservative.
I've also noticed Hodgdon's loads to be quite a bit hotter than all the books. With several guns I've started seeing pressure before getting to their max loads.
In one of his books, Brian Litz makes it sound like you can't seat the 185 Jug to mag length in a .308 win and get good velocity, but Federal has a gold medal match load that says 2600fps. I've never used them but I can't magine Federal is loading them longer than 2.800".
I shot those Federal Gold Medal Berger 185 Juggernaults last week. They measured right at 2.800 COAL. I Chrono them at an avg of 2692 MV out of my 26" barrel (13.3 SD's) I also have shot the Berger Ammunition 185 Juggernaults and they measured at 2.911 COAL, with an avg of 2667 MV (11.3 SD's). The Berger Ammunition loaded them in Lapua LRP Brass. I am really impress with them.
185gr Hybrids + 46.0gr of MR2000 at 2.850" in Lapua Palma 308 brass = killer load in my 308. 2860fps going into bugholes. MV SDs in 5 range.
Additionally, loading way long, the Warner Flatline 198gr, same powder, same brass, at 2750 fps = crazy good ELR load. Had as far out as 2100yds, with 1st and 2nd round hits in MT winds. T
Additionally, loading way long, the Warner Flatline 198gr, same powder, same brass, at 2750 fps = crazy good ELR load. Had as far out as 2100yds, with 1st and 2nd round hits in MT winds. T
I have a friend who once noted that of your barrel won't shoot the Juggs you need another barrel. It is one of the easiest bullets ever made to get a load. I have heard of a couple of shooters who used to play tick tac toe with thumb tacks shooting them, at 300 yds.
Before everyone in F-TR switched to the 200s in about 2103 the 185 was the go to bullet. Shooting them in F-TR rifles with 30" barrels there is a node in the range of 2750 to 2775.
If you are loading to mag length with Varget you're running close on pressure at just over 43gr. in WW brass. If you can seat them long, it will take more.
The Jugg is probably one of the best bullet designs ever, very accurate, very easy to tune.
Before everyone in F-TR switched to the 200s in about 2103 the 185 was the go to bullet. Shooting them in F-TR rifles with 30" barrels there is a node in the range of 2750 to 2775.
If you are loading to mag length with Varget you're running close on pressure at just over 43gr. in WW brass. If you can seat them long, it will take more.
The Jugg is probably one of the best bullet designs ever, very accurate, very easy to tune.
If you are going to shoot mag length I wouldn't get a chamber that made you jump that far. I'd get a reamer that let you start at the lands at full mag length. I'd get someone to chamber my rifle with a '95 palma Reamer. It's got about a .095 or so freebore and you should be able to get what you need for mag length.
I never shot them anywhere but .015 off of the lands, but I once did a jump test from .005 to .100 and I couldn't see the difference in groups at 300 until I got to .080 jump, and that may have been me. The darned bullet just doesn't care.
I never shot them anywhere but .015 off of the lands, but I once did a jump test from .005 to .100 and I couldn't see the difference in groups at 300 until I got to .080 jump, and that may have been me. The darned bullet just doesn't care.
Chasing velocity with these in a 20 inch barrel is hecktic. Loaded till 41.7 got 2324 with no pressure. Gonna keep going till I hit pressure.
I'm loading the 185 Berger Juggernauts into Remington brass with Remington 9 1/2 primers and 41.7 grains of IMR4064, seated at 2.225" bto.
Superb accuracy and velocities of 2480fps from my 20 inch barrel, and 2600 from my 24 inch barrel.
Superb accuracy and velocities of 2480fps from my 20 inch barrel, and 2600 from my 24 inch barrel.
So just finished some testing and here are my results....First thanks to all the members that helped with this process it was a great success and I really appreciate all the help
24 inch Barrel 1:10 twist
COAL: 2.865
Alpha SRP
CCI BR4
Varget 44.0
Average Velocity: 2682fps
SD: 4
ES: 10
24 inch Barrel 1:10 twist
COAL: 2.865
Alpha SRP
CCI BR4
Varget 44.0
Average Velocity: 2682fps
SD: 4
ES: 10
Your load is nearly identical to my .308 load. I was using 185gr Classic Hunters and Lapua brass though. Velocity was nearly identical and it routinely shot in .3s to .4s for five shots.
John
I shoot them exclusively out of my custom .308. 28” HV Bartlein 1:11.25. I shoot 43.48 varget out of Lapua brass, 210match primer. 2680 FPS. I believe oal is 2.219” to ogive (2.870”).
I’ve also had really good luck with 42.4 imr 4064.
I'm loading 185gr Juggernauts in lapua brass with 46.8gr 2000-MR @ 2.8 COAL.... It seems kinda hot, but safe.... super low SD's...
In my 18" Bartlein barrel on my AR-10, I'm getting just over 2515 fps.... sub MOA...
Thinking of getting the tikka roughtech ranch 16” and loading some jugs up for a whitetail treestand rifle. Suppressed of course..
Think they’ll work?
Think they’ll work?
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