Thou shall not take the king's fish(bluefin)

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What a load of horse shit.
No regulations covering this phenomenon. So they send officers to shut it down.
Pier fishing and kayak fishing are hard enough.
Leave them alone. They should keep the fish.
I assume theckayak fisherman kept his tuna. Good for him.
Peasants aren't allowed to find the loopholes i reckon.

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'Hard to Top This One.' Fishermen Are Catching Bluefin Tuna Yards from the Beach in the Outer Banks

A rare run of bluefin tuna off North Carolina's Outer Banks has pier anglers hooking giants just yards from the beach.
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Fugg marine fisheries and especially NCDMF....the most corrupt bunch of political quacks in wildlife management. They have managed to take a great public resource and destroy it for lobbies and money. And yeah, I get the damn permit every year. They have been running just off the beach in 30-50' of water every winter for several years now.
 
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When I fished Moorehead City back in 2005 for those big BFT it was not uncommon for surf anglers to hook them while fishing for redfish. The regs for keeping those big BFT were pretty strict back then. We were able to keep one over 74" and release the rest. We had two released fish, one estimated at 550 pounds and the other 800-850. The one I killed was about 275. Cool fishery for sure.

A crazy lady in a "release" boat would come over to take over the fish and bring them in for tagging. They did their quick measurement and skin sample study then released them. The captain I fished with hated her and said she was behind pushing all the regulations and closures of their tuna fishery.
 
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Well at least we can save those precious BFT so that they can be scooped up by the huge Chinese floating fish factories that operate illegally all over the seas.

And here we have another federal “independent” regulatory organization (The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) deciding what the laws are and reinterpreting them at their pleasure. Sounds a lot like the ATF doesn’t it?
 
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You notice no mention of anyone arrested?
Only threatened, and told to take down the social media posts.
They only have power over you if you let them.

Similar thing happens down here with sailfish off our piers.
No regs for shore base fishing. Size possession limit yeah.
Every year some karen loses their mind when a sailfish gets gaffed from a pier.
"They aren't edible!"
"You couldn't accurately determine if that was a legal fish before you gaffed him!"
"No one should be allowed to take billfish!"

If you bring that bitch to heel from shore, he should be yours. Period.
 
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As to the edible thing.

I am sick of elitist assholes telling me what is edible.
We get it, you don't like fish unless it tastes like chicken.
Leave the rest of us pussy eaters alone to eat real fish.
And shut the fuck up about the mercury, we get it, it is deadly unless it is bought in a can, or imported from Asia.
 
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The purse seiners down in Mexico wrapped so many in years past that the markets were giving them like $0.30/pound and using it for cat food. But the world is worried about the consumption of the fish and regulated the rod and reel anglers.

This is why the pens were made so they could feed and fatten the fish up for the other markets. It was an attempt to limit how much they were wrapping, but then they just made more and more pens so same result, they just make more money.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
As to the edible thing.

I am sick of elitist assholes telling me what is edible.
We get it, you don't like fish unless it tastes like chicken.
Leave the rest of us pussy eaters alone to eat real fish.
And shut the fuck up about the mercury, we get it, it is deadly unless it is bought in a can, or imported from Asia.
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I've been fishing for giant blues, and the vast majority of people would not like it either cooked or raw. Think an oily, fishy blue fish or rainbow runner (bait fish IMO) and double it. As far as I know the Japanese are the only ones who eat giant blues.

For comparison when fishing for them you can use Ziki rigs to catch striped maceral and herring to use as live bait, and I'd say a good 30% of the time you would get bite offs because, off Cape Cod anyway, it is so shark infested. When you boat a giant blue you generally tail rope them and drag them in reverse for 20-30 minutes, with the fish bleeding in the water the whole time, to reduce the cortisols and give you a better test at the sales dock. Once you've drug them long enough they slash the gills with a big knife to kill the fish by exsanguinating it (also gives a better test). There are buckets of blood in the water the whole time, and even the sharks won't touch it. One explanation is that the blues swim so fast the sharks can't catch them so they're unfamiliar with the taste, but it may be because it's one of the nastiest and fishiest fish in the sea. By the captain's, whom I fish with, telling it's not good raw, and not good cooked, and not good for anything but selling to Japan.

That said, maybe you can deep fry it like a carp and it's edible. 🤷‍♀️
 
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Bonita is a crap fish but slow smoked over oak it is not bad. We always trolled sailing to the islands, Akron hibachi and some seasoned driftwood from the island and a slow smoke, we free dive small blue fin and yellow fin, do them the same way, have to smoke the oil out of them.
 
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Fig said:
I've been fishing for giant blues, and the vast majority of people would not like it either cooked or raw. Think an oily, fishy blue fish or rainbow runner (bait fish IMO) and double it. As far as I know the Japanese are the only ones who eat giant blues.

For comparison when fishing for them you can use Ziki rigs to catch striped maceral and herring to use as live bait, and I'd say a good 30% of the time you would get bite offs because, off Cape Cod anyway, it is so shark infested. When you boat a giant blue you generally tail rope them and drag them in reverse for 20-30 minutes, with the fish bleeding in the water the whole time, to reduce the cortisols and give you a better test at the sales dock. Once you've drug them long enough they slash the gills with a big knife to kill the fish by exsanguinating it (also gives a better test). There are buckets of blood in the water the whole time, and even the sharks won't touch it. One explanation is that the blues swim so fast the sharks can't catch them so they're unfamiliar with the taste, but it may be because it's one of the nastiest and fishiest fish in the sea. By the captain's, whom I fish with, telling it's not good raw, and not good cooked, and not good for anything but selling to Japan.

That said, maybe you can deep fry it like a carp and it's edible. 🤷‍♀️
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Ever seen a false albacore? Aka bonita here in the Gulf, aka little tuny.
Yeah....i eat them. Love em cooked or raw. There is no way a bluefin is darker and oily as a bonita.
If you do not cut the fish up correctly, then a cat wom't eat it.
There is no bad meat, only shitty butchers and cooks.
No...with all due respect i have seen bluefin meat...your observations sound like they come straight from a person who only eats codfish and haddock. No way the cuts ive seen aren't deliciious.

Edit to add:
"Only japanese eat that shit."
That really is an oldy but goody. Heard it first 30 years ago when they were trying to "save the billfish"
I fucking hate people who act like catch and release is some kind of divine religion. It is custom made for self righteous cunts.
The mantra about sailfish being inedible by anyone but them nasty japanese is complete bullshit.
Bled, field dressed, and properly iced, they are delicious. So are most species of shark. Yet we have a false narrative going on now to save the sharks...."they aren't good to eat! And they are endangered!"
BULL SHIT.
 
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yes,the king does not want you to catch his snapper,grouper,trigger fish,red fish,snook,tile fish or trout. here in FL if you go very far out into deeper water you are stuck with NOAA "rules". AKA laws that the uniform hangers in a boat are happy to fuck you over about. if you follow how those laws have changed over the years,it is easy to see how the attempt to kill rec fishing is ongoing. got to get fish for our under the table supporters to sell. the way commercial limits are decided and sold is one of the clearest examples of financial corruption you will ever see. follow how their population studies are run and funded. the long standing red snapper story is the perfect example.
and here in FL the fresh water and hunting regs are about as fucked up as anywhere else in America. but then FWC is quite corrupt and run by some very shady people and staffed by some real respect my authority (and power) types.
 
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damn,i just read the link carefully. you can't keep a fish (bluefin) caught off a pier or shore? that has to be more fucked up-fuck you than even the usual corrupt money grubbing gov BS. corruption raised to a superb art!
 
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The snapper regulations are stupid as hell. Well, for the average angler. They have to be of a certain size and you can only keep during a very, very short season. The limitations on commercial fishing aren't half as bad and they pretty much get to keep anything.

Caught this one about 16 hours too early to give him a ride to shore.

This was the smallest red we caught that day.

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Now, let's talk about how much waste/loss is created by the shrimp boats...
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
You notice no mention of anyone arrested?
Only threatened, and told to take down the social media posts.
They only have power over you if you let them.

Similar thing happens down here with sailfish off our piers.
No regs for shore base fishing. Size possession limit yeah.
Every year some karen loses their mind when a sailfish gets gaffed from a pier.
"They aren't edible!"
"You couldn't accurately determine if that was a legal fish before you gaffed him!"
"No one should be allowed to take billfish!"

If you bring that bitch to heel from shore, he should be yours. Period.
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mosin46 said:
damn,i just read the link carefully. you can't keep a fish (bluefin) caught off a pier or shore? that has to be more fucked up-fuck you than even the usual corrupt money grubbing gov BS. corruption raised to a superb art!
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The main issue with that is the fact that in order to fish for tuna you need an Highly Migratory Species (HMS) permit and the problem with that is that it is registered to the vessel not an individual. I get the idea in that by registering it to the vessel you don’t have to worry about everyone onboard getting a special permit but to bust balls about them being caught from shore is bullshit. Chalk it up as luckily bycatch and let people go about their day on a possible once in a lifetime opportunity.

Then again this is the same agency that wanted to limit vessels over 35 ft to a maximum of 10 knots on the entire east coast for 8 months of the year to “protect” the whales from boat strikes while simultaneously allowing high power sonar surveying for wind farms to skull fuck those same whales to the point they would swim onto land and into the boats in the first place.

Now as for the billfish well they pretty much got classified as a catch and release species when NOAA put a 250 fish per year limit on them for the entirety of the US. At that point the main people fishing for them were also the ones fishing for them in the tournaments so why kill a fish for free in July when it could be worth several hundred thousand dollars to well over a million one week in August.
 
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I think the good eating size range for BFT is 40-200 pounds. After that the "Toro" part becomes bad. The fat almost turns into hard rubbery rows. The meat in between is ok. It really depends on what the fish are eating as well. I know those NE fish feeding off the scallop boats are super oily, just like the YFT in Venice, LA following the shrimp boats. The fish are super greasy with dark meat.

The guy I fished with in NC used to drag the live fish behind the boat after the catch while they were still alive. He had some sort of giant carabiner clip he would place through the lower jaw. The fish would look like it took a deep breath and the color came back. Then they drug it onto the boat and spiked the brain and bled it by cutting these 3 cords near the butthole and stabbing it through the heart. The blood left the fish in mere seconds. The meat color was far better and he sold the fish for much higher value than the morons on the TV show. Single fish were selling for like $65k to his buyer from Japan.

Out here we spike them, cut the gills and place them into the RSW tank (33 degree saltwater). Usually the meat is sashimi grade. I tend to sear or eat tuna raw. I have grilled our Albacore when they were around to catch. Bonito here in So-Cal are excellent if you bleed them and get them cold quickly. Very good raw. I had some seared skipjack and it was pretty decent too. Not much tops swordfish or wahoo to me. I hear Opah is good but I have never had it and we don't have them here in CA.

I have been very fortunate to have fished all over the US but working for a large fishing manufacturer helps. I still have a lot of boxes to check for fish I would like to catch in other countries. I just lack the money to go target them. I could give a shit less about catching billfish unless it's a sword and that would be purely for the meat. Panama (the country) was one of the best places I have fished to date. Several species and really good fishing. I fish lures 99.9% of the time so it was perfect for me. Bluefin Trevally, Roosterfish, Cubera Snapper, Almaco Jack, YFT, African Pompano...so many species. One of the guys even caught tarpon on the pacific side. Amazing fishery down there.
 
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www.sportfishingmag.com

Bluefins Off the Beach | Sport Fishing Mag

Recent bluefin action in North Carolina have had even diehard land-based anglers and kayakers getting in on the action with a handful of incredible catches.
www.sportfishingmag.com www.sportfishingmag.com

They said it is illegal to fish forcthem from shore.
That is a fucking lie. Again, you can't just make law to cover a rathole you never thought you'd need.
Again, same thing with sailfish from shore. You need an HMS.......but it is for a vessel.

How bout you alphabet assholes take your medicine, or better yet, put it to the people.
You can't just mal3 rules for state and federal waters, then stand on the beach and say because this fish did something we never saw...we control this now too.
 
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Bantam1 said:
The fish are super greasy with dark meat.
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Stop drilling. You had me at "fish".

I have heard all the stories. I don't care. All the tunas and mackerals are delicious. I have eaten most of them.
If you don't like tuna, don't eat it.

Btw....it has nothing to do with what they eat.
The problem with big tuna, is it is just like small tuna. Handled poorly and incorrectly it is cat food....all of it.
Size probably does play a significant role. It is not easy to properly ice a very large tuna.
Tuna, for all intents and purposes are warm blooded....its true.
Tuna spoils quickly.
 
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mvphilly said:
Same around here for striped bass. One fish between 28-30 inches. So if you want to cull one you have to go through God knows how many to get the slot fish.
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Meanwhile...there is about a 30% mortality on all those overslot fish.
The best option is take 1 any size, when the slot is impossible.
They don't set the slots arbitrarily. They get paid good money to do exhaustive surveys, to determine the "slot"
"They" do not want you eating fish.
Unless it is imported.
 
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Mike Casselton said:
The snapper regulations are stupid as hell. Well, for the average angler. They have to be of a certain size and you can only keep during a very, very short season. The limitations on commercial fishing aren't half as bad and they pretty much get to keep anything.

Caught this one about 16 hours too early to give him a ride to shore.

This was the smallest red we caught that day.

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Now, let's talk about how much waste/loss is created by the shrimp boats...
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See my post above.
They don't want us to keep any fish.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Stop drilling. You had me at "fish".

I have heard all the stories. I don't care. All the tunas and mackerals are delicious. I have eaten most of them.
If you don't like tuna, don't eat it.

Btw....it has nothing to do with what they eat.
The problem with big tuna, is it is just like small tuna. Handled poorly and incorrectly it is cat food....all of it.
Size probably does play a significant role. It is not easy to properly ice a very large tuna.
Tuna, for all intents and purposes are warm blooded....its true.
Tuna spoils quickly.
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I never said I didn't want to eat them. I have caught and cut a lot of fish in my time. I know what good tuna coloration is vs not. To each their own though. Some people eat monkfish liver at the sushi places and say its a delicacy. I would strongly disagree.
 
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Wait a second, how the Fuck does NOAA have authority here? "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has shut down bluefin tuna fishing at Jennette’s Pier in Nags Head, North Carolina."

Can they really create and enforce law?

I actually don't know their authority, but from what little knowledge of them I have I didn't think they were law enforcement and they aren't elected legislators.

It sounds like somebody needs to sue the SHIT out of them and fight this so the Supreme Court can tell them that they aren't a fucking law making or enforcing entity and they can pound sand with this shit.

And I don't give a shit about Tuna fishing, I just don't understand how NOAA roles in and plays GOD here, but maybe they do have legal authority...? I don't ocean fish
 
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calling4life said:
Wait a second, how the Fuck does NOAA have authority here? "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has shut down bluefin tuna fishing at Jennette’s Pier in Nags Head, North Carolina."

Can they really create and enforce law?

I actually don't know their authority, but from what little knowledge of them I have I didn't think they were law enforcement and they aren't elected legislators.

It sounds like somebody needs to sue the SHIT out of them and fight this so the Supreme Court can tell them that they aren't a fucking law making or enforcing entity and they can pound sand with this shit.

And I don't give a shit about Tuna fishing, I just don't understand how NOAA roles in and plays GOD here, but maybe they do have legal authority...? I don't ocean fish
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This is my point.
State didn't show up....cause there is no law.
Where there is no law....Federal assholes will make one up as they go.
There is no precedent, jurisdiction, or existing law that gives NOAA any authority to threaten, harass, or impede shore fishing....or kayak fishing for that matter. Just because "their" tuna are no longer following the historical norms.

How in the hell does NOAA have ANY say in these fisheries.
They are protecting the interests of an elite industry.

I am not saying we don't need limits and laws.
I would suggest that everyone get their shot.
Maybe you can cut a few hundred out of the atlantic quota for shore fishermen next year huh?
Oh...thats not gonna happen huh?
And why is that?
Yeah....we know whats goingvon....
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Meanwhile...there is about a 30% mortality on all those overslot fish.
The best option is take 1 any size, when the slot is impossible.
They don't set the slots arbitrarily. They get paid good money to do exhaustive surveys, to determine the "slot"
"They" do not want you eating fish.
Unless it is imported.
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Exactly. 1 fish per day per anger and set a minimum size
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Stop drilling. You had me at "fish".

I have heard all the stories. I don't care. All the tunas and mackerals are delicious. I have eaten most of them.
If you don't like tuna, don't eat it.

Btw....it has nothing to do with what they eat.
The problem with big tuna, is it is just like small tuna. Handled poorly and incorrectly it is cat food....all of it.
Size probably does play a significant role. It is not easy to properly ice a very large tuna.
Tuna, for all intents and purposes are warm blooded....its true.
Tuna spoils quickly.
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yes i wonder about the "poor" taste of lg blue fin. all i have ever eaten "real" are blackfin. not a big fan (like i am of snapper) but OK. must be handle right-bleed them and bury in the ice. i have seen vids of Japanese filleting huge blue fin-like with a katana. have heard a reliable story of Japan sending a jet to pick up a blue fin,well handled and paying like 10K for the fish. i think most sushi is labeled yellow fin but i bet any tuna will do. that is good stuff IMHO.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Ever seen a false albacore? Aka bonita here in the Gulf, aka little tuny.
Yeah....i eat them. Love em cooked or raw. There is no way a bluefin is darker and oily as a bonita.
If you do not cut the fish up correctly, then a cat wom't eat it.
There is no bad meat, only shitty butchers and cooks.
No...with all due respect i have seen bluefin meat...your observations sound like they come straight from a person who only eats codfish and haddock. No way the cuts ive seen aren't deliciious.

Edit to add:
"Only japanese eat that shit."
That really is an oldy but goody. Heard it first 30 years ago when they were trying to "save the billfish"
I fucking hate people who act like catch and release is some kind of divine religion. It is custom made for self righteous cunts.
The mantra about sailfish being inedible by anyone but them nasty japanese is complete bullshit.
Bled, field dressed, and properly iced, they are delicious. So are most species of shark. Yet we have a false narrative going on now to save the sharks...."they aren't good to eat! And they are endangered!"
BULL SHIT.
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True. I’ve eaten blue marlin and it was good. Didn’t see how it was prepared though…
 
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calling4life said:
Wait a second, how the Fuck does NOAA have authority here? "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has shut down bluefin tuna fishing at Jennette’s Pier in Nags Head, North Carolina."

Can they really create and enforce law?

I actually don't know their authority, but from what little knowledge of them I have I didn't think they were law enforcement and they aren't elected legislators.

It sounds like somebody needs to sue the SHIT out of them and fight this so the Supreme Court can tell them that they aren't a fucking law making or enforcing entity and they can pound sand with this shit.

And I don't give a shit about Tuna fishing, I just don't understand how NOAA roles in and plays GOD here, but maybe they do have legal authority...? I don't ocean fish
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Comes from the oceanic part of their name, they set the rules and regulations for pelagic species that spend the vast majority of their life in federal waters greater than 3 miles from shore.

I get the federal regulations on a fish that travels from Mexico to Canada over the course of the year but apparently somebody told NOAA they are God because some of the shit they have been pulling the last few years is just absurd.

Just look at the whole 10 knot speed limit debacle, they honestly thought they would just be able to limit every vessel over 34 ft on the entirety of the east coast to 10 knots for 8 months of the year. Not only that but they wouldn’t even go after you on the water, they fully intended to track your AIS and send you massive fines for violating their rule.
 
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CMP70306 said:
Comes from the oceanic part of their name, they set the rules and regulations for pelagic species that spend the vast majority of their life in federal waters greater than 3 miles from shore.

I get the federal regulations on a fish that travels from Mexico to Canada over the course of the year but apparently somebody told NOAA they are God because some of the shit they have been pulling the last few years is just absurd.

Just look at the whole 10 knot speed limit debacle, they honestly thought they would just be able to limit every vessel over 34 ft on the entirety of the east coast to 10 knots for 8 months of the year. Not only that but they wouldn’t even go after you on the water, they fully intended to track your AIS and send you massive fines for violating their rule.
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yet another gov bureau that needs shut down
 
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CMP70306 said:
Comes from the oceanic part of their name, they set the rules and regulations for pelagic species that spend the vast majority of their life in federal waters greater than 3 miles from shore.

I get the federal regulations on a fish that travels from Mexico to Canada over the course of the year but apparently somebody told NOAA they are God because some of the shit they have been pulling the last few years is just absurd.

Just look at the whole 10 knot speed limit debacle, they honestly thought they would just be able to limit every vessel over 34 ft on the entirety of the east coast to 10 knots for 8 months of the year. Not only that but they wouldn’t even go after you on the water, they fully intended to track your AIS and send you massive fines for violating their rule.
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There wasn't any money in just doing the science, so they decided to branch out into extortion.
Just that simple.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The federal fosheroes should have 1 simple fucking job.
Keep foreign cuntries out of federal waters......but they don't.
 
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i remember reading similar years ago. folks fishing off of hatteras surf were getting spooled and no idea why. until finally some heavy gear was used and they caught a couple. very neat!!
 
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