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    It's 2025 and the patent date issued to the original 1911 was 14 FEB 1911 so we're now officially 114 years 'into the future' yet there's those of us that still love the 1911 and also carry it and figured it's worth asking the question as to why ya do & what type of 1911 you settled on.

    Generally speaking, the options available in the past century settle into either full-size (5"/Government), 'Commander' sized (traditionally 4.25" barrel, a few 4" barrels, but retaining the same frame size), 'Officer' sized which has... what 3.5-3" barrel & a smaller frame, and Conceal Carry Officer (CCO) which mates the Commander (aka 'longer) slide with the Officer (aka 'small') frame.

    Calibers have been various- 45 ACP of course, 38 Super, 10mm, and also 9mm. Over the years there's also been some variance with the frames in a standard/'combat' frame (aka 'steel') and "lightweight" (aka aluminum/alloy). There's also long/medium/short triggers and flat/wedge/arched mainsprings. Don't forget the flat butt, round butt, or bobtail options. It's the 'lego' of pistols before a name ever was given to it.

    So 114 years and that's just scratching the surface- the question though is, for those that still carry a 1911, what configuration and why?

    To start it off-

    I've never been able to make the standard/government size work (regardless of caliber) for carry. It's just either too big (size wise) and/or too heavy (speaking to both standard & lightweight frames). Commander sized- I'm staring to have good luck with (even though it's only .75" shorter barrel) but the standard frame is still a factor to work around and adding a magwell further complicates concealment purposes. The officer size is actually rather sweet and addresses the previous problems, an even shorter barrel & frame BUT it's been my experience that one needs to be a bit more discerning on what particular model they select to balance out the reliability aspect.

    I think that's why I started playing in the "intermediate" world of carry 1911's- Commanders (with bobtails)/ Officers (with bull barrels & flat recoil springs)/ CCO's, etc-. As a quick summary- after lots of 'back & forth' with EDC options I still go back to bobtail commanders & reliable officer sized 1911's (although I'm trying to formulate an option of the CCO configuration and so far I'm really liking it but haven't decided on the "balance" aspect just yet).

    Everything else- well I still haven't figured it out. Arched/flat mainspring- I seem to shoot 'em both equally. Short/Med/Long trigger- I tend to lean towards long triggers but I'm just now playing with the shorter options.

    Calibers... I tend to stick to the classics and gravitate to 45's in my 1911's. I like 10mm plenty in that style and have been warming up to 38 Super but... the most popular caliber these days seems to be 9mm and I'm frankly just not there yet. I've got nothing against 9mm but just not in my 1911's just yet (reckon I'm still biased over the decades of challenges to get 9mm to feed properly as a shorter cartridge in 1911's as compared to 45/10mm/38super)

    -LD
     
    I carry 1911s (Gov and Commander) almost exclusively, but as I'm sure that you been told on the other forums that you've probably posted this question on, there is nothing at all "lego" about the 1911. Almost all of the parts are fit to the specific gun. There are solutions to magwells extending the grip, namely Chen gen 1 & 2 magwells. They aren't cheap to buy or have installed, but you probably also know that the custom 1911 world isn't for the poors. 9mm is plenty and shot placement is (almost) all that matters. 9mm feeds phenomenally is a 1911 built to make it run. Pick your budget and work from there. Or buy a compact CZ variant.
     
    I carry 1911s (Gov and Commander) almost exclusively, but as I'm sure that you been told on the other forums that you've probably posted this question on, there is nothing at all "lego" about the 1911. Almost all of the parts are fit to the specific gun. There are solutions to magwells extending the grip, namely Chen gen 1 & 2 magwells. They aren't cheap to buy or have installed, but you probably also know that the custom 1911 world isn't for the poors. 9mm is plenty and shot placement is (almost) all that matters. 9mm feeds phenomenally is a 1911 built to make it run. Pick your budget and work from there. Or buy a compact CZ variant.
    I stand corrected- you brought up a good point (and one I should have better clarified because I completely agree with you). When I mentioned the "lego" element I was eluding to the experimentation of different slide lengths & frame sizes but @FWoo45 is absolutely correct that it isn't by any means 'plug & play' and requires a manufacturer that knows what they're doing in each of those configurations to get a reliable pistol. Appreciate you clarifying that sir.

    I will, however, offer a minor quip that while I agree the "custom/semi-custom" 1911 world isn't for the poors BUT I still think we're living in the golden age of reliable 1911's in a plethora of configurations around the $1-2K price range from companies like Colt, Springfield, Dan Wesson, etc. Heck- I'm looking VERY hard at a Tisas 1911a1 clone replicating the WWII Remington Rand models for something like $400. Now that's not exactly something I'm looking to purchase for carry purposes (admittedly) but just mention that to say that there's a lot of great 1911's out there that aren't multi-thousands of dollars is all.


    -LD
     
    I carry a CZ P01 or a STI DVC Carry, both 9mm. I like capacity of both. I don't carry the 2011 appendix like I do the P01....just can't bring myself to point cocked and locked at my junk. Practice heavily with both and don't have an issue going back and forth between SA and DA/SA. The STI goes outside the waistband at 4 or 5 on a belt. Before I switched about 10 years ago I carried a .45 Wilson CQB Commander for years. Made the switch to 9mm and more rounds as well as appendix carry more often and in came the CZ. Still love a 1911 style pistol. I found over the years a commander size gun is a good blend of carry and reliable. Smaller is hard to handle and run good and larger is harder to carry for me.
     
    Have a Kimber Eclipse Target II. The model with the external extractor that everyone hates. I hate it too, but the damn thing shoots like it has eyes, yanks one out and shoves one in reliably, though ejection can vary in both direction and enthusiasm.

    Bought a Dan Wesson Specialist a couple years ago. A better gun than the Kimber in every respect except in the way it groups. I suspect the chamber/throat is so damn tight it’s not locking up consistently, as the groups tend to string vertically.

    Still playing with it…..
     
    Carried several 1911s for a while. My Dan Wesson ECO was best due to the light weight from the aluminum frame and officer size but moved on for several reasons. Mostly too heavy. They're certainly thin enough for IWB, but I always sagged a bit to one side. Not a whole lot but I seemed to always be pulling up that side of my pants. I moved onto the Hellcat for less weight and more capacity. But mostly didn't want to lose my ECO to "evidence" if the need ever arrived.
     
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    Carried several 1911s for a while. My Dan Wesson ECO was best due to the light weight from the aluminum frame and officer size but moved on for several reasons. Mostly too heavy. They're certainly thin enough for IWB, but I always sagged a bit to one side. Not a whole lot but I seemed to always be pulling up that side of my pants. I moved onto the Hellcat for less weight and more capacity. But mostly didn't want to lose my ECO to "evidence" if the need ever arrived.
    That’s actually why I picked up the eco. It was a range gun and a whole lot cheaper than my Stealth or CQB. As a FAT guy, I already use suspenders so the weight is nothing.
     
    Op, I too have been down the same road you are travelling now when it comes to 1911 style pistols.

    I too have tried different carry pistols. I am more consistent on the draw from concealed, first round accuracy, faster from the draw to first shot and faster follow up shots with a 1911 style pistol. I have carried full size, commander, and CCO style (Commander slide on an Officers frame {alloy}) it is my current daily carry piece. A Sig C3 with night sights and Crimson Trace laser grips in 45 ACP. I have found it to be the best balance for my use. With two mags and a small flashlight opposite carry.

    Officer size 1911 have a history and I have tried them and couldn't get the reliability and confidence. So, they were sent down the road.

    Full size 1911's are just plain fun, 45ACP, 10mm, and 38 Super are in the stable. They get carried too when hunting or walking on my property. My present fun gun when walking the homestead is a 38 Super loaded with hyper fast light weight bullets, still trying to work it out to exactly what I want, because work the last few months have been brutal, but it is a project all the same.
     
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    Where my username actually comes from. I carry a Springfield Pro that was made while it was still under contract many moons ago. I never had an issue carrying a full size. Heavy sure but manageable with the proper holder and belt.
    That's one of my few 1911 regrets- I only saw a Pro in the wild once (used) and it wasn't a great price, had the idiot scratch, and I talked myself out of it because I wasn't thrilled with the 20 LPI FSC. I later watched them being sold new by Bud's and kept hemming and hawing but ultimately found another piece I liked more and then of course the Springfield Custom Shop went away (along with the Pro). It wasn't until it wasn't available that I finally decided I should buy one- but that's how it goes.

    -LD
     
    Have a Kimber Eclipse Target II. The model with the external extractor that everyone hates. I hate it too, but the damn thing shoots like it has eyes, yanks one out and shoves one in reliably, though ejection can vary in both direction and enthusiasm.

    Bought a Dan Wesson Specialist a couple years ago. A better gun than the Kimber in every respect except in the way it groups. I suspect the chamber/throat is so damn tight it’s not locking up consistently, as the groups tend to string vertically.

    Still playing with it…..
    Glad to hear the Kimber runs well. That seems to be how it goes with 'em, they either run like a scalded pig or have something needing adjusted. I'm more partial to Colts myself so never picked up a Kimber myself (although many 1911 'guys' can and will share similar supposed issues with Colts which I never ran into myself) but they seem to make the most 1911's by a wide margin compared to the other manufacturers so they must be doing something right.

    -LD
     
    Carried several 1911s for a while. My Dan Wesson ECO was best due to the light weight from the aluminum frame and officer size but moved on for several reasons. Mostly too heavy. They're certainly thin enough for IWB, but I always sagged a bit to one side. Not a whole lot but I seemed to always be pulling up that side of my pants. I moved onto the Hellcat for less weight and more capacity. But mostly didn't want to lose my ECO to "evidence" if the need ever arrived.
    I love my ECO as well. The Duty finish on the slide wears fantastic but the frame (especially in the FSC area) wasn't as resilient. I've got some pictures posted here of mine but completely understand your rational.
     
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    Die hard 1911 guy right here.
    I appendix carry a Baer Concept VII which is a commander sized 1911 in 45, most days. However, when horseback or hunting I carry a Nighthawk Falcon in 10mm.
    I still have a Baer Custom Carry to run through its paces. I like the configuration of the Baer stingers but (personally) have been apprehensive purchasing one for myself due to how Les builds the compact models. The Concept VII is damned attractive though and the only thing I'd spec differently would be a single side safety (but don't know if that'd still be a VII at that point)

    -LD
     
    My 1911 in .38 Super is a frankengun built by Jerry Dove way back when. When he started out he would get a whole bunch of 1911's and mix and match parts to meet his specs. This gun has well over 100k rounds thru it. It was built somewhere around 1990 and has shot IPSC, steel, bowling pins etc.probably every discipline.
    Para Frame, Springfield Armory slide with a bull barrel.

    Then I have a Para built in 2000 in 9mm last of the ones they built.
     
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    My Kimber sits on the nightstand with the flash light. I've put a few hundred rounds of 230gr Golden Saber through it without issue, so I trust it. It's the Crimson Trace version and I keep meaning to swap out the grips, but never get around to it.
     
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    How do y'all carry your 1911s? Every IWB holster I've tried is painful. Am I stuck with an OWB holster? I'd like something more concealable, but not uncomfortable. I'm always going to know it's there, but dang IWBs are just terrible.
     
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    How do y'all carry your 1911s? Every IWB holster I've tried is painful. Am I stuck with an OWB holster? I'd like something more concealable, but not uncomfortable. I'm always going to know it's there, but dang IWBs are just terrible.

    If you haven’t given these a whirl, I’d strongly recommend the above (or a similar design) as an IWB option. I’m not sure what aspect you’re trying to address for comfort but the nice part of this design is how the loops are spaced apart which makes a difference in how the weight is distributed/sits on your side.

    Hope that is of some help/interest to you!

    -LD
     
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    I carried for almost 40 years in a "Summer Special", either by Milt Sparks or Lou Alessi. Both long gone now. Either a Commander or a Government Model. Just need to pants 2" larger and a good belt. 1911 is flat and very easy to carry. Too young to have trained with Cooper, but count classic mentors like Smith and Rogers as friends. Pat changed my mind with this.

     
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    I carry a Les Baer SRP fairly often simply because it's my favorite handgun that I own. I know it's "outdated". I know it's heavy. I know it has a ridiculously ugly frying pan finish on it. There's just something about it though. Can't explain it.

    EDIT: I have a Raven Phantom OWB and a JM Custom Kydex IWB that I use depending on what I'm wearing and what I'm doing.
     

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    I still have a Baer Custom Carry to run through its paces. I like the configuration of the Baer stingers but (personally) have been apprehensive purchasing one for myself due to how Les builds the compact models. The Concept VII is damned attractive though and the only thing I'd spec differently would be a single side safety (but don't know if that'd still be a VII at that point)

    -LD
    Their model numbers are stupid. But yes, the Concept VII is a great carry gun. I plan to send it to Wright Armory for carry cuts and an optic cut....at some point
     
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    I was hoping us “1911 guys” could use this thread to share tips & tricks amongst us more ‘enlightened’ carriers so in that interest - for those with a DW ECO (or of similar design), I cannot recommend the below tool strongly enough…

     
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    How do y'all carry your 1911s? Every IWB holster I've tried is painful. Am I stuck with an OWB holster? I'd like something more concealable, but not uncomfortable. I'm always going to know it's there, but dang IWBs are just terrible.
    Keister stash or gtfo.

    On a serious note the Milt Sparks Summer special 2 is my favorite for inside the waistband.

    Mernickle Ultimate High Rise is my preferred for outside the waistband.

    I’m either carrying a Colt Wiley Clapp government that I had the rails welded and milled to correct slide fit or a Les Baer UTC. I had gold line front sights installed on both.

    Both will hold the 10 ring at 50 yards with 230 gr ball or 200 gr LSWC (H&G 68). My carry load is the 200 gr LSWC over 5 grains of bullseye.
     
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