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mk12 story of 5 sf vs 200 iraq

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Long time lurker, new member here, love the forum and what it has taught me in my hobby of rifle precision. I keep running into a story about 5 sf dudes, 3 using the mk12 spr to cover and retreat from some iraq soldiers and ended up killing 170 some in the process. Love the mk12 rifle and curious to read more about that story but cant find anything more than it being referenced in many articles as that one time... thanks.
 
On February 23, 1991, SFODA 525, led by CW2 Chad Balwanz, was inserted by helicopter at night and moved to a hide site to observe traffic moving south along Highway 7 at a location north of the Euphrates River.
A525 was compromised when Iraqi boys spotted its members conducting a special reconnaissance operation 150 miles inside Iraq.
ODA-525 chose not to kill the boys and instead tried to escape and evade. Over the following hours the Iraqi Army almost overwhelmed them numerous times. The Green Berets escaped only because of their disciplined marksmanship and the close-air-support they received.
Balwanz ordered his men to set their M16 rifles to fire on semi-automatic to preserve ammunition. At one point in the firefight, he noticed two of his men waving good-bye to each other.

“Every time a gun fired, an Iraqi dropped,” Balwanz recounted. The Green Berets’ marksmanship was proving crucial – prompting the Iraqis to discard the notion of charging 525’s position. Instead, most of them settled for spraying fire from their AK-47 rifles. Some, described by Balwanz as “Bedouins,” had long-barreled rifles – and rounds from those were impacting close to the Green Berets. The Iraqis were also getting reinforcements.

They were not the only ones. F-16s from the South Carolina Air National Guard had arrived, however the radio the ODA needed to communicate with them was damaged. One pilot decided to have the planes under him hit a communications facility. The Iraqis began fleeing when the bombs hit the target. Balwanz eventually was able to contact the planes, and began to call in air strikes. Cluster bombs began to make short work of their targets. As darkness fell, Balwanz’s team improvised a means to help the F-16 pilots locate their position using a mirror.

Eventually, the team was recovered by an MH-60 Blackhawk from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. While the fight had taken hours, none of the Green Berets were killed or wounded in that engagement.
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Interesting choice of camo for the desert

There's a book about the 160th SOAR called "Night Stalkers" by Fred Pushies that actually explains the reason why ODA-525 wore woodland BDU's on that particular mission. According to the book, their hide site was going to be among some vegetation along the Euphrates River so the team opted for woodlands as opposed to desert camo.
 
Yeah, that last part kind of throws some red flags for me honestly because of its anecdotal nature and lack of supporting information. It sounds eerily similar to the story of ODA-525, except there was no way they had SPR's on that mission since they hadn't been conceptualized and created at that point.

Plus, were we even really hunting Scuds in OIF? I also couldn't find any other reference to a similar incident from the GWOT time frame involving a small special operations group, a numerically superior foe, and the Mk 12. That is save for one, Operation Red Wings, but that was Navy SEALs in Afghanistan.

IMO, that part of the article could've been done better, using actual instances in combat where the Mk 12 was used that can be backed up and fact checked rather than a vague story of an SF team holding back a company sized element. Marcus Lutrell and Chris Kyle used the Mk 12 on operations and are mentioned in their respective books. The USMC even adopted the Mk 12 as a DMR for a period of time.
 
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His team was featured in Doug Wallers book “The Commandos” in about 1994. They let an Iraqi kid live who compromised their position. They could have offed the kid. Instead they let him run to an Iraqi patrol and ghost their position.

Heck of a firefight. But when all was said and done… they let a kid live.

Thats the difference between warriors and cowardly POS Haji types who hide behind civilians, muckle 10 year olds up with IEDs and chop heads off tied-up prisoners.

Sirhr
 
Yeah, that last part kind of throws some red flags for me honestly because of its anecdotal nature and lack of supporting information. It sounds eerily similar to the story of ODA-525, except there was no way they had SPR's on that mission since they hadn't been conceptualized and created at that point.

Plus, were we even really hunting Scuds in OIF? I also couldn't find any other reference to a similar incident from the GWOT time frame involving a small special operations group, a numerically superior foe, and the Mk 12. That is save for one, Operation Red Wings, but that was Navy SEALs in Afghanistan.

IMO, that part of the article could've been done better, using actual instances in combat where the Mk 12 was used that can be backed up and fact checked rather than a vague story of an SF team holding back a company sized element. Marcus Lutrell and Chris Kyle used the Mk 12 on operations and are mentioned in their respective books. The USMC even adopted the Mk 12 as a DMR for a period of time.
Thats part of why im asking about it, its vague but would be an awesome story to hear as much detail about as possible. The same details given here are also given in a few other articles about the mk12 with no specific reference given as to who or what mission to search for more details. Would love to hear more if the story has substance.
 
I worked with Chad at SOCCENT. Awesome dude. There were a surprising amount of folks that passed through there that have been mentioned in books going back to Vietnam.

I don’t think the Mk12 had been developed at that point. IIRC, their mission was to watch for flanking movement during the initial push.
 
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