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    1. How a Minnesota Family of Seven Died in Their Beds at

      3 hours ago · How a Minnesota Family of Seven Died in Their Beds at Home HORRIFIC “It’s something you can’t even explain, the impact it has in seeing them all …
    I had a personal experience with similar situation that ended differently. Was on call on a Christmas Day for internal medicine admissions, got a call that a family was being life-flighted in for CO poisoning and hyperbaric oxygen treatment. They didn't show up for Christmas breakfast so brother went to house, and found them. Everyone made it because of early action. Any other day, they would have died. We called it our Christmas miracle.

    With use of generators/alternate sources of heating and pending energy crises, I think we are going to see an uptick in these. It should be blamed on you-know who, but it won't. CO monitors are lifesavers.
     
    I never thought just one in the house was enough. I have two in the utility room in the basement near the heater and hot water heater and one on the main floor (rancher).
     
    Yeah CO was the cause of death. And a day later another family about died in an apartment close to this due to a faulty furnace. This happened just across the river from me. Really sad and it has really rocked the community, especially during the Christmas season.
     
    I've often wondered why they make a combo smoke/CO detector that is designed to be on the ceiling of a room? I was always taught that a CO detector should be no more than 5 feet off of the ground since CO is only slightly lighter than air. If one waits for a ceiling mounted CO detector to alarm, you're probably already dead or well on your way.

    What say you?
     
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    I've often wondered why they make a combo smoke/CO detector that is designed to be on the ceiling of a room? I was always taught that a CO detector should be no more than 5 feet off of the ground since CO is only slightly lighter than air. If one waits for a ceiling mounted CO detector to alarm, you're probably already dead or well on your way.

    What say you?
    I think closest proximity to the potential source of CO would be more important factor in placement. In the case I described, the parents were worse off than the kids because their bedroom was closer to the source (for what its worth).
    The best resource I found is from Journal of Emergency Medicine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › 21536403

    (The conclusion is that although CO is lighter, in practicality it is fairly evenly distributed in experimental models and therefore location of placement shouldn't matter).
     
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    Sad story, wiped out a clan.

    1. How a Minnesota Family of Seven Died in Their Beds at …

      3 hours ago · How a Minnesota Family of Seven Died in Their Beds at Home HORRIFIC “It’s something you can’t even explain, the impact it has in seeing them all …
    "Though a carbon monoxide detector was found inside the house, it had been removed from the wall and was missing batteries.

    According to Minnesota law, detectors must be installed by landlords within 10 feet of each room in multifamily buildings. Occupants of these homes, however, must ensure that monitors are maintained and functioning."

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    Landlord for 27 years here, thank God I no longer have tenants, they were always this stupid.....

    ....the "beeping noise" IS the alarm....................


    This Reddit User Thought His Landlord Is Stalking Him and ...

    https://www.gizmocrazed.com › 2015 › 05 › this-reddit-user-thought-his-landlord-is-stalking-him-and-complains-of-headaches-a-fellow-user-correctly-links-it-to-co-poisoning-and-saves-his-life
    This Reddit User Thought His Landlord Is Stalking Him and Complains of Headaches, A Fellow User Correctly Links It To CO Poisoning and Saves His Life By GizmoCrazed - May 4, 2015 Internet can be a place full of jerks on multiple occasions.
     
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    Maybe ya'll's are different down there, but up here in Canuckia... any CO detector I've seen for sale on the shelves were "plug in an outlet" devices. I've heard that any new builds have to have 'Wired' smoke detectors, too.

    Our smoke detectors are all still battery-jobbies, and I replace them yearly. Our CO detector though, plugs into an outlet in the basement and is only good for (I think) 5 years?

    I used to have an Uncle whom was a pilot for Canadienne (formerly CP Air) but he passed away in his cabin (in the woods) due to CO poisoning. He was running propane lamps that he brought back from Mexico.

    Bad scene, that.
     
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    Maybe ya'll's are different down there, but up here in Canuckia... any CO detector I've seen for sale on the shelves were "plug in an outlet" devices. I've heard that any new builds have to have 'Wired' smoke detectors, too.

    Our smoke detectors are all still battery-jobbies, and I replace them yearly. Our CO detector though, plugs into an outlet in the basement and is only good for (I think) 5 years?

    I used to have an Uncle whom was a pilot for Canadienne (formerly CP Air) but he passed away in his cabin (in the woods) due to CO poisoning. He was running propane lamps that he brought back from Mexico.

    Bad scene, that.
    Batteries for the CO detectors are the way to go IMHO.

    We ran the plug in kind for a while and the expense vs the battery style is 3-4x.

    I had a dear friend lose his ex-wife, with whom he was getting back together, in his Freightliner in Glamis.

    They all were out in the dunes and she was back in the tow rig hanging out and got cold.

    Fired the rig up to get heat and apparently the fresh air intake on Freightliners had a known issue which allowed the exhaust to draw through the cabin air intake.

    If you have a truck camper or RV of any kind, battery CO could be a lifesaver.

    My wife myself and a couple buddies were camping in a first come cabin 4wheeling in the Galurio Wilderess/Muleshoe Ranch/Hooker Hotsprings.

    The deal was you should do repairs if you enjoy the place, so we fixed windows and other weather tight leaks and got the cabin so tight we almost died from the fireplace.

    My wife woke up when our Great Dane started talking to her and asking, "why doesn't Jim understand me when I talk to him?"

    Smoke was a couple feet from the floor.

    Battery detectors save lives, should have had one then.



    Some of our apartment had hard-wired smoke detectors. When the tenants set off a smoke detector, they immediately want to rip down the detector and remove the batteries to make it stop beeping. Guess what happens when a tenant rips down a hard-wired smoke detector that runs on electric and not batteries?

    That's right..... the tenant covers up the damage by taping the smoke detector back together and hopes we don't notice.
    ..... and we end up putting up a battery operated smoke detector.

    We are just glad that they didn't burn down the building when they ripped the wires out of the smoke detector.
     
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    Pretty sure I read family of immigrants from Honduras, probably not used to living in a proper house without built in ventilation and trying to use a heat source familiar with their home country, but I'm just speculating.
     
    I disabled a furnace at a customer's house yesterday. The heat exchangers are cracked and the tenant figured out that they could get it going again by turning off the power and turning it back on which reset the lockout circuit.
    I opened up the system and showed them the cracks and explained that they are lucky to be alive considering they had been doing this for a couple days.
     
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    About 7 years ago in SE Idaho there was a family of 4 who died of carbon monoxide poisoning. Cause was the dad replaced a natural gas water heater with a tankless water heater but did not change out the exhaust pipes. Turns out the tankless systems needs a much larger exhaust system than a regular water heater and he didn't make that change.

    They had been complaining of not feeling well for several days and thought it was the flu, so were taking baths to reduce the symptoms. Of course that only made things worse in using the tankless system even more.

    No CO detectors in the house. Since then there has been a community wide effort to get CO detectors installed in homes.