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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Can't speak for everyone, but why do you think we don't shoot? The straw men keep coming in bunches Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Those changes aren't minor. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    " I basically shoot the gun with no cheek or body contact." Yeah, if that's the direction F class goes...there's going to be a big demand for a reasonable division Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Sorry, but is that real? If so, I think it is obvious that a new division should be made. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
  5. W

    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    6.5 shooters would still get dominated by 7saum, .284, etc. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    I get what you are saying. Beyond that, I just have an aversion to such one task rifles. It goes against the nature of what a rifle should be. Just my opinion. That's also why I want this division. I like winning (god forbid), but I don't want to spend $5k for a *bastardized* rifle to do it...
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    What kind of precision do you expect from various rifles?

    I lucked into a great shooting 700 5R (.3 MOA), so now my expectations are scewed. I wouldn't be happy with any current center fire that couldn't do 1 moa. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Sure amateurs can be great, but like with everything else, professionals are going to be much better on average. The best amateurs do it so much that it "becoming work" is a moot issue. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    I agree that many people do it as part of a fantasy, but there is a tangible benefit to hunters. I would also argue that serious competitors take it further than a hobby and it becomes a lifestyle. Same with bodybuilders, bikers, and musicians. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Meh. You are right on point for the first half of this post, but let's not turn this into a pissing match. F-class shooters do things tactical competitors can't and vice versa. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    I'll use the IDPA/USPSA analogy again. This would be like telling production shooters that they shouldn't have to win to have fun...just shoot in open. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    I don't have to win to have fun, and you are missing the entire point. Lots of people with tactical rifles show up at local matches. What is the harm in giving them a separate class? Maybe there aren't any tactical rifle matches in near the shooters, maybe they use the rifle for hunting as...
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    My local matches allow brakes already :/
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    What kind of precision do you expect from various rifles?

    Where would the line of acceptability be for you in the instances of: -A light weight hunting rifle (Tikka T3 lite) -Entry/Mid level tactical rifle (700P/700 5R) -High end factory (Sako TRG/AI) -Full custom (GAP/Tac-Ops) From what I have seen, I expect ~1 MOA or better from a light hunting...
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Shooting with optics and bipods is the most popular type of rifle shooting. It is no surprise that F-Class has grown so much. I still just don't see a single reason why there can't be a division for tactical rifles. I'm not proposing any changes to the current divisions. All this can do is...
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Yeah, liberals are the ones that alter facts. That is why people who have to actually deal with facts for a living e.g. scientists and historians are overwhelming liberal. That is why the biggest predictor of political lean is education and intelligence. Fox news might be able to brainwash...
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    We have listed the reasons several times. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    I don't see why the original intent should supersede a response to the current state and trajectory of the sport. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    The same reasoning that led to the IDPA divisions directly applies here. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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    F T/R Competition New F-Class Division

    Where would uspsa and idpa be if they followed that reasoning? You have a pistol so you fit in open. Why make a production or limited division? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
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