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  1. M

    Getting started in rimfire PRS - What rife?

    Selling one of your clay guns to buy a Vudoo will be a piece of cake. Go with DI precision Vudoo with a 13 tw Muller barrel. Get a EC V2 tuner put on it when also. talk to DI precision about them. 2 of my friends have them, set up like that, they shoot great. I have 2 Bergara B14r, Tikka T1x...
  2. M

    Match barrel . . . Really?

    I don't have a tuner on my Kidd.
  3. M

    Match barrel . . . Really?

    You are correct on the 10-22. my Kidd Supergrade does well out to 250yds but falls apart past that. Lots of vertical.
  4. M

    Match barrel . . . Really?

    First try better ammo CCI SV and Norma Tac22 are on the low end for accuracy. Step up to the SK line like Match, Long range. Eley Club or Contact, before going to the higher grade ammo. Contact shoot way above it's price. The AR platform will not shoot with a bolt gun, Kidd 10-22, or...
  5. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    I'm like you I would never thread a barrel like that. Bolt on tuner only. But I have added brakes to centerfire with no change, but they were bigger barrels.
  6. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    I don't know what match he won with or without a tuner. I'm going by what he is saying in the podcast He is using tuner's now per the podcast, he said so in both. Listen to what is saying, on how well they can work.
  7. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    My BAD, It was not Brian Litz that I was think about, It was John Whidden of Whidden Gunworks in Nashville, GA. He was working with tuner at the test center. https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/getting-there-from-50-to-100-on-the-tuner.4129471/ Brian is work on updated 22lr ballistic for...
  8. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    I have looked for it, can't find it.
  9. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    Just watch two podcast with Chris Simmons current PRS World Champ. Chris is using EC tuner. I guess he thinks they work. around 9 min. in This one is from 2 years back around 50 mins
  10. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    On the site or one of the others site, not sure. He is using tuners for 50 yds and 100yd test. He was doing a big test with tuners and they were working. He was asking about difference in tune for 50 yds vs 100yds.
  11. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    Brian Litz has changed his mine on tuners. He is using them on rimfire.
  12. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    I shoot 3 shots groups ( just two if not touching ) when finding the tune, then many 5 shot groups, to confirm the best. My goal is long range. 30-40rd groups a 200yds is a waste of ammo. Condition change so fast, you can't tell anything. You don't know what is going, wind, and so on. What is...
  13. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    So you are saying, you do not have a tuner, and don't know how they work. You don't have to agree on how they work. You need to know THEY DO WORK You would lose the bet. I have shot long range for 30 years. I have shot 3 world records In IBS 600yd benchrest and won many long range steel...
  14. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    I said "I don't know if it will help" I don't say it will not help. IMO it should help the 100yds group, 200yds and on out. Have you tried a tuner? You would know, if you know how use a tune. Tuner's are magic.
  15. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    You have great groups as is. your 50yds has no vertical, but maybe a little wind. Your 100yd group has a little vertical. I don't know if a tuner will improve you 100yds group. But check your ammo at 200yds and see what the vertical is. If has more vertical than width a tuner can take some that...
  16. M

    Gear choices/next purchases

    Lots and lots of shooting, match type conditions, not from a bench
  17. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    Full turns will change POI but, you missing good setting in the middle. I use a EC V2 tuner. I start flush with the muzzle. Fire 3 shot groups at 50 yds( if first 2 are not touching I move on ) I move 5 marks towards the shooter and 3 more shots and so on. I can go 4 full turns in. You see the...
  18. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    The max you should turn a tuner is 1/4 turn at a time. A full turn will tell you nothing.
  19. M

    Can a tuner improve these sub MOA groups?

    You have vertical in your 100yd group. A tuner will take some of that out. You will be shooting longer ranges, what is your vertical at 200yds.
  20. M

    Looking for options Long Range 22LR

    The T1X does stacks up compared to the T3X series. I got the T1X first, then got a T3X. I have shot in matches out to 400yds, and done well. I had it in a KRG Bravo for a while, but put it back in the factory stock for hunting and factory/ sporter class. There was not improvement in accuracy...
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