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    Hornady on tuners.

    I certainly do not mean to detract from the Hornady guys , I shot with Joe Theilen and Christina Theilan and the team Hornady for years , loved hanging with them but I will defend what I do and how I do it to the bone period .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Dude again you have no clue . Please stop your ridiculous assumptions and slander . Do you really think that one gun is the only gun that is shot in seven years ? That is just one test . Get over it . you don’t even use tuners , yet you want everybody else’s data , tree Rex was told why his test...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    I have to protect my companies proprietary data points for my weighting formulas so ……. I have already posted some data . And it was totally quiet and ignored. It it showed improvement over baseline with weight and adjustments .Not going to do that again just to have it ignored .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    I think 5036 rds over the life of three barrels in 7 years on the same rifle with one tuner is plenty to tell me what I needed to know .Not to mention data on every caliber from 22 rimfire to 375 Cheytac .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Once the gun is settled from load work up and shoots good , 6 shots per ladder and repeat as many times that you feel you need to to see the trend when changing weights for each graph or ladder . The goal here with one shot per charge is to control barrel temp and to be the same on every ladder...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Absolutely , the exit times do , but if the ladder does not show any real bending trends then a lighter or heavier bullet can . Once the pattern is found with the right bullet weight then the powder charge is adjusted to put you in the ideal exit time on the ladder . Or the tuner both can get...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    The offset of weight above verses below the barrel centerline combined with recoil force being the main driver . I will change weight until I see trends in which the slower rounds are trending up . The only way I have found to know if the barrel is bending is to shoot ladders 1 grain apart side...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Granted you can still have positive comp without a tuner but the window is usually very small . With additional weight the window can be widened but the wrong weight can make it worse , if it does with a tuner you can at least move the adjustable weight to make it better . If it is a fixed...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    The effect of the barrel moving downward is quite common on most every rifle and will cause exaggerated vertical dispersion so that it’s even with small ES the dispersion is large. To get the barrel moving up takes specialized weighting and offsets at least for a wide window .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Yes , a slower bullet is aimed higher by the barrel , and a faster bullet is aimed lower by the barrel. Meaning the barrel has a upward lateral velocity at the time of exit .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    One thing I would add to my method of 2 shots with 1 grain difference on powder charge at 1000 was more to confirm tune with positive compensation. In the morning they hit level but in the afternoon they did not so a readjust was needed in a large temp swing . I kind if did something similar...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    My understanding of Brian’s tests is that they would better the groups verses without and changes with the tuner made groups worse therefore the tuner effected the group size . Their whole premise was that since tuners did not better the groups then they did not work . But they did change with...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Lol I understand and have been there myself. I sure would be interested in seeing a 6 grain graph on your rifle with and without a tuner to see what pattern it produced which could help to explain why your rifle shoots better and why the tuner showed no change by adjustments.
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    Hornady on tuners.

    If we could do that and the barrel held up to 1500 rounds , what would you think the confidence interval would be with this test design?
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    Hornady on tuners.

    Absolutely awesome paper by Jim Boatright . He has it right. Going to try those formulas soon . 100% agree with the article. Thanks Jim!!!!!!
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    US special operations forces are searching for a new extreme long-range rifle

    Still trolling Without a clue , that is the irony
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    US special operations forces are searching for a new extreme long-range rifle

    Good luck with that . Those guys need to get back to reality .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    I went through the same thing and was irritating as hell . I found the reason was that particular weight produced small windows during that particular exit time for your rounds , by changing weights I now have a much wider window and do not have to adjust at all now .
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    Hornady on tuners.

    What this comes down to is that tuners will equal a tune with verses without and the statistics have proven just that . No improvement but close to the same verses without . The Hornady guys have been honest and stated that is just their results and are by no means across the board. To see a...
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    Hornady on tuners.

    I deleted it ,just unproductive to argue .
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