Rifle Scopes 1-8x scope options?

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They sure look like some nice scopes but as heavy as they are and with ~$3k price tag, it almost makes me want to slap a 2.5-10x variety scope along with an Docter/JPoint/Burris type red dot for close up work. I know that you might have to move your head for close up vs. long range work, but either way you still have to interrupt to change mag from 1.0x to lets say 8x with the former option anyways. This way your scope can just stay on 8x or 10x and red dot is on. This way the time you spend moving your head would be the same time it would take to change mag with the 1-8x version. And it would be a hell of a lot less expensive. Just thinking out loud.....
 
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USO has a 1.8-10x37 that's an awesome scope.

There is the new Elcan Specter DR 1.5-6x.

IOR has a 1.5-8x26 scope.

1.5x is about as close to 1x as you are going to get for under $2k.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO has a 1.8-10x37 that's an awesome scope.

There is the new Elcan Specter DR 1.5-6x.

IOR has a 1.5-8x26 scope.

1.5x is about as close to 1x as you are going to get for under $2k. </div></div>


I have looked at scopes that are 1.5x and to me they mess with my eyes and are not CQB scopes. So if you are not going to have a true 1.0x then might as well get something like a IOR 2.5-10x40 or NF 2.5-10x for better long range magnification and just stick a Jpoint/RMR etc on there for close up stuff.
 
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A T1/H1/Docter/etc mounted to a badger pic ring cap forward of an EREK knob is a fantasy ive been having for a hypothetical comp gun.

You're on to the same page alpha. 1x built in seems nice, but for 90% of 'range' guns its a moot point.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CanPopper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, you didn't specify FFP or SFP. So March makes a 1-10X scope that is true 1x. I believe without illumination, it is also under $2K.

http://marchscopes.com.au/tactical-1-10-x-24-scope.html
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/200...10-ratio-zooms/ </div></div>



I have no problem with SFP. The March non-illuminated version would be useless for CQB in low to no lighting at 1x. The illuminated one is $3250
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alpha, I I have been in this same dilemma for the past week, trying to decide how to scope a LMT MWS. I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I will be going with a 2.5-10 NF or just using the 3-9x42 SS I already have, and mounting a Trijicon Mini Red Dot on a pic rail ring cap. Will likely put the scope on a Larue QD mount so I can move it forward to allow mounting my PVS14 behind it for night use. This of course pending resolution of the question of whether or not the unit will handle the .308's recoil impulse.
 
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I came to a similar conclusion as Jolly Roger. I intend to run a NF 2.5-10x with an offset Doctor MRD. I have run the J-Point and the Doctor on top of ACOGs, and have tried the RPD-II offset on other rifles.

Scopes like the 1-8x, or the Elcan Specter DR have several issues in my opinion. First they are plenty complex. I would just assume have 2 separate optics. If I have a MRD and a scope, they can have different zeros, and if one fails, I still have the other. Also for up close and fast work, I would worry that I would make the mistake of having a variable power 1-whatever on the wrong power. I might have it at 1 when I need more magnification, or what if I left it at 4x when I just entered a room. Most likely that would be a non-issue, but with a separate MRD and scope I know it wont be an issue.

Anyways, thats just my opinion. Buy whats best for you.
 
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This is kind of the same dilemma I'm in, but luckily I'm not in a rush. I'm holding out for a couple scopes that are still in the R&D phase but are due for release in the near future (I hope). FYI, I'm a FFP and mil/mil guy.

For the carbine: SWFA 1-4x SS. This one will replace my current TA-01NSN ACOG with Doctor MRD. The cheek/chin stock weld shift is just not cutting it for me anymore.

For the MK12 Mod 1: USO SN3 with C2 Reticle. I may put a 45* mounted MRD with this one, but likely won't. I'll wait and see how well the C2 will work for close work, but in any case I'm pretty good at instinctive aiming inside 25m when it comes to "minute of man" shooting looking over the top of the scope.

If I was looking for the 1-8x range, I don't think I would look much further than the IOR unless I wanted to go all out for the S&B that is upcoming, but it will likely be outside of my budget threshold.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

For the carbine: SWFA 1-4x SS. This one will replace my current TA-01NSN ACOG with Doctor MRD. The cheek/chin stock weld shift is just not cutting it for me anymore.

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Have you tried a 1-4x scope before? I have the Burris XTR 1-4x24 on one of my carbines. Burris XTR Tactical It is a great scope and it is a true 1.0x with no fish bowl effect. The problem is that if i have it at 1.0x for lets say 10-20yard work, and then suddenly have to engage distance the time it takes to grab the ring and turn to 4x is LONGER than adjusting your chin/cheek like in your setup. I dont think you will gain anything time wise by having a 1-4x compared to your ACOG and MRD.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

For the carbine: SWFA 1-4x SS. This one will replace my current TA-01NSN ACOG with Doctor MRD. The cheek/chin stock weld shift is just not cutting it for me anymore.

</div></div>Have you tried a 1-4x scope before? I have the Burris XTR 1-4x24 on one of my carbines. Burris XTR Tactical It is a great scope and it is a true 1.0x with no fish bowl effect. The problem is that if i have it at 1.0x for lets say 10-20yard work, and then suddenly have to engage distance the time it takes to grab the ring and turn to 4x is LONGER than adjusting your chin/cheek like in your setup. I dont think you will gain anything time wise by having a 1-4x compared to your ACOG and MRD.</div></div> Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll look into that one. I'm more looking to streamline the carbine more than it is currently. The Doctor on top really adds to the overall height of the rifle, and from the looks of things the new SS 1-4x is going to be what I'm looking for as a totally versatile scope.

Enough OT, on with the thread!
 
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Alpha6164, Sorry Brother going just a little off topic too......

Redmanss, sounds like we may have formed some similar ideas on optics. I used an ACOG with Jpoint last deployment.... and while it worked, I am now convinced variable power scopes are the future.

I was able to T&E an IOR 1.5x8x26 recently.... and it really splits the difference between the two scopes you linked to above....
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2082143#Post2082143
Has a lot going for it as a combat optic. Particularly if your a fan/familiar with the ACOG BDC.

Sorry OP... Back to true 1x8's.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OlSarge2K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alpha6164, Sorry Brother going just a little off topic too......

Redmanss, sounds like we may have formed some similar ideas on optics. I used an ACOG with Jpoint last deployment.... and while it worked, I am now convinced variable power scopes are the future.

I was able to T&E an IOR 1.5x8x26 recently.... and it really splits the difference between the two scopes you linked to above....
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2082143#Post2082143
Has a lot going for it as a combat optic. Particularly if your a fan/familiar with the ACOG BDC.

Sorry OP... Back to true 1x8's. </div></div>



No worries. Its all good. This is actually the type of discussion i was looking for to see if a true 1.0x would work but the price of $3k makes it a little unreasonable.
 
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Best thing to do when asking about anything is give your price range so people don't give suggestions out of your price range.
 
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There has been some rumbling about Trijicon coming out with a 1-8 Accupoint with the tritium light that standard on all accupoints. Maybe that is what you are looking for.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best thing to do when asking about anything is give your price range so people don't give suggestions out of your price range. </div></div>


I understand but it really is not that i can't afford it. I can buy five of them if that is what i decided. Just trying to decide if it makes sense dropping ~$3k when similar can be hard for much less.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just trying to decide if it makes sense dropping ~$3k when similar can be hard for much less. </div></div>

Similar in power range but not in quality
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Price range doesn't mean what you could spend but what you want to spend. It would help people to give you ideas as if you said you only wanted to spend $1000 then I wouldn't even of brought up the S&B.
 
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If you can find one, the old C-More (sometimes re-branded as Colt) 1-5 scopes are amazing. I have one of their commercial units and one that was a LRIP scope issued to the 101st and used over in Afghan. The scope is built like a brick outhouse, though they have seal issues. And it's really hard to find one.

I think the Colt C-More I have actually dials back to something like. .9x, which is interesting to use and a cool concept... but doesn't exhibit the best quality control.

At the same time... have any makers tried a .50x X 6x scope which would give a wide angle view? In dynamic entry, negative magnification could be very useful. Just 'sayin...

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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My son and I shoot 3 gun matches. I shoot in tac-optics division which limits you to one optic and my son shoots in open division which allows 2 or more. My optic is a Trijicon TR24 1-4X, green triangle and my son's is a Leupold 2-7X w/LR reticle and a JPoint mounted on an off-set Burkett Mount http://speedshooter.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=MBJPM

I've shot both set ups quite a bit and his 2 optic set up is really fast- faster than a magnification change on my 1-4X (or a 1-8X IMHO). If I was setting up a rifle for duty / defensive use, I'd favor the 2 optic set up as it gives you more versatility and speed, IMHO. (Note; I'm a LEO and FA trainer. Our agency has Aimpoint M2's on all patrol rifles except for one .308 which has a 1-4X. They work fine, but if I could run my own rifle, I'd go with the 2 optic set up).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nick W.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... and my son's is a Leupold 2-7X w/LR reticle and a JPoint mounted on an off-set Burkett Mount http://speedshooter.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=MBJPM
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you don't really need to put red-dot on top or 45cant mount of variable or fixed hi-power optics. You can just put micro-aipoint T1 <span style="font-weight: bold">in front</span> of your main variable optics - it will work (the idea is to make optics co-withess)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzmb25Gw83Q& - 6:04 tag - the close view - ACOG + Aimpoint T1 pair.
 
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VTB, the point is to have a 1x CQB optic and a longer range, say 2-7x optic. If you place a micro Aimpoint in front of a 2-7x optic, then you have a 2-7x scope with a red dot, not a CQB optic.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: One-Eyed Jack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">VTB, the point is to have a 1x CQB optic and a longer range, say 2-7x optic. If you place a micro Aimpoint in front of a 2-7x optic, then you have a 2-7x scope with a red dot, not a CQB optic.

Welcome to SH, stay warm in the Evil Empire! </div></div>

Well yes and no))

I don't what's easier:
1. shoot both eye open on close target (5-50 yards) with variable power scope set on 2.5x or
2. zero red-dot on 45 degree cant mount and lurk the head back-n-forth and slightly rotate the gun while changing from optics to red-dot.

But the main nuance is that
1. Variable scopes have thin reticles which are almost impossible to catch during these "fast'n'close" shots
2. Those Acog's which have amber or red shevron - don't have Elevation Adjustments

So these new 1-8x scopes make 1+2 i.e
1. They do have "red dot" on 1-3
2. They do have thin reticle for 3-8 and they do have Elevation+windage adjustment capability.

But when you go 2-3 with red dot on these new fancy scopes with price tag $3000-$4000 - why not just try to use your existing 2-7x scope?

I've made a quick illustration pics - with NF NXS compact 2.5-10x32 and red-dot in front of it:

1. here is the "test construction":
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2. it's photo from usial cheek place
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3. it's how both illuminations works together
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PS
and with above construction you still can buy March 1-10x24 scope
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(not-illuminated) for $1750 + aimpoint M2 for $250 - it still only $2000 price range - and will allow you to have 1x (with red-dot) for close range and 10x with reticle + elevation and windage turrets for long-range shots. also it would be easier to return to zero if you'll forgot how much windage adjustment you've done (in case you zero both scopes on 100 yards)

PPS
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