.17 HM2 or .22 LR?

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I am having a hard time deciding on going with .22lr or .17hm2 for my 10/22 build this is going to be my first rimfire rifle, Ive shot plenty of .22's never a .17hm2. I am wanting accuracy out to 100yds'ish. I have read articles that say you can get the same kind of accuracy out of 22lr as a 17hm2 and distances @100yds+?. I am leaning toward the 17hm2 but dont really know all the pros and cons futher than cost of ammo.

Also any thoughts on a 20" HM2 barrel? around or less than 300$

Thanks.
 
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I would make the decision based on your collection. If this is your only, or first rimfire I would go with the .22 if this will be one of a few rimfires (especially if you have a bolt .22 already) than definitely get the .17HMR it is a real zipper.
 
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go with the .22lr, has more bullet choices and velocities for what yo want to do, within all levels of affordability. if you ever decide to do some rimfire matches, most are restricted to .22 lr.

would be easier to sell in case you ever have to.

plus, look at a few pages on this forum and other rimfire forums, how much 17hm2 information can you find compared to .22?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">go with the .22lr, has more bullet choices and velocities for what yo want to do, within all levels of affordability. if you ever decide to do some rimfire matches, most are restricted to .22 lr.

would be easier to sell in case you ever have to.

plus, look at a few pages on this forum and other rimfire forums, how much 17hm2 information can you find compared to .22?

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Though I do see what you're saying, the reason to buy a .22 shouldn't coincide with "more info." There is more info concerning a .308 than 6.5 Creedmor, does that make it reason enough to choose a .308 over a 6.5? Some would argue that the 6.5 is more accurate at range, and that won't change despit he amount of info available on the .308.

The .17 caliber rounds are also much newer, and thus subject to having less information about them available.

To the OP: Don't go the way of 17 HM2. Definitely go 17 HMR if you choose to go with the 17 caliber. It is superior in every way to the HM2.
 
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Though I do see what you're saying, the reason to buy a .22 shouldn't coincide with "more info." There is more info concerning a .308 than 6.5 Creedmor, does that make it reason enough to choose a .308 over a 6.5? Some would argue that the 6.5 is more accurate at range, and that won't change despit he amount of info available on the .308.

The .17 caliber rounds are also much newer, and thus subject to having less information about them available.[/quote]

not knocking the 17hm2, just saying that most folks that shoot rimfires, choose the .22lr for a reason, coupled with price and ammo availabilty, along with a slew of data to use to the op's benefit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Though I do see what you're saying, the reason to buy a .22 shouldn't coincide with "more info." There is more info concerning a .308 than 6.5 Creedmor, does that make it reason enough to choose a .308 over a 6.5? Some would argue that the 6.5 is more accurate at range, and that won't change despit he amount of info available on the .308.

The .17 caliber rounds are also much newer, and thus subject to having less information about them available.[/quote]

not knocking the 17hm2, just saying that most folks that shoot rimfires, choose the .22lr for a reason, coupled with price and ammo availabilty, along with a slew of data to use to the op's benefit. [/quote]

I would argue that the reason so many choose the .22 has nothing to do with anything other than that is the rimfire that everyone has always shot until recently because it was the only one available. I would be willing to bet that most shooters on this board, and everywhere else for that matter, received a 22LR as their first rifle. Their fathers did too, as did their fathers.

Ammo is definitely plentiful and can be had cheaply <span style="font-style: italic">if you stick to the cheap stuff</span>. If you buy match ammo, you'll be paying the same price as one might for 17 HMR ammo, if not more.

Performancewise, there is no comparison between 22LR and 17HMR. It's not even close ballistically as the 17 is superior in every respect.
 
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I've had everything from air rifles to .308's and the .17 hmr is definitely my favorite round for shooting 1-300 yards. At 100 yards it's such a tack driver that I feel as though there could be a hurricane and I'd still be dead on. Price wise the ammo is higher, but I think it's definitely worth it. You can check out my rig in my sig.
 
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i own a 17M2 and enjoy shooting it, a friend also has a `7m! `0/11 conversion that will shoot very nice little1/4 to 1/2" groups at 100 yds that being said if the base gun is a 10/22 i would say stay with either choice 11 being the more accurate load with the right ammo however as i said before the 17 is a fun little round and works very well for small pest control around my inlaws place( close proximity neighbors) with the vmax bullet in a m2 very little chance of a bad ricochet into other buldings if i hit the scrap steel pile or granery if i hit ground it breaks up damn near instantly which I like however, intended use is the best guide to my way of thinking determine caliber for the job and use best suited. Opinions vary and YMMV
 
Re: .17 HM2 or .22 LR?

Guys, he said 10/22.
You can't reasonably convert a normal 10/22 to HMR, you have to start with a 10/22Mag, which is out of production in part because people were converting them to HMR.
The mfg of all the ammo says it's neither intended for nor safe in semiauto guns.

As a practical matter, .17HM2s are DIY guns, since only MR and VQ currently offer them. Slamfires and OOB discharges are apparently common.

If you insist on semiauto, you're practically limited to .22LR.

.22 ammo cost equivalent to HM2 ammo is pretty good, but you still have the option of cheap plinker ammo, an option not availble to shooters of .17s.

If you only have 1 rimfire, it ought to be a .22LR.
 
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If you plan to shoot alot with this rifle, then 22LR because of ammo cost. The 17HM2 might be more accurate at 50 yards than 22LR, but lacks the killing power of a 22LR for Varmints (saw an article in Varmint Hunter a few years ago on this point).
 
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The 17HMR, 22mag, and 17M2 do not work all that well with the 10/22.

The 17M2 ammo costs the same to make as 17HMR, the 17HMR costs more than twice as much. That is the market right now... but not for ever.

The 22 makes great groups at 50, but sucks at 100.
The 17M2 makes great groups at 100y, but does not quickly kill prairie dogs at long range.

http://www.amazon.com/Customize-Ruger-10-James-House/dp/0896893235
my review:
Chapter 1 History and Current versions of the Ruger 10/22 ...... 15 pages
Different models sold 1964 to 2005, chronology, pictures, features
Chapter 2 Design Characteristics and Concerns ......... ..17 pages
Headspace, rifling, free bore, chambers, crowns, lapping, vibration, lock time, installing a trigger kit
Chapter 3 Ammunition .... .......29 pages
General comments, Accuracy and Precision, Ammunition selection, a chart of velocities and bullet weights, testing, internal ballistics, external ballistics, concentricity, rim thickness, chart of rim thickness distribution, matching ammunition to the rifle
Chapter 4 Performance with factory rifles ............. ...20 pages
Charts of group size vs ammo type vs models tested
Chapter 5 How the 10/22 works ................. .....32 pages
The autoloading action, tools, cautions, disassembly of major components, bolt removal and disassembly, disassembly of the trigger unit [16 pages of excellent photos], removal of factory sights
Chapter 6 Some Basic Operations, Tools, and Techniques.... .. 26 pages
What to use to do what [screwdrivers, hammers, drifts, calipers] Smoothing and polishing the metal [sand paper and Dremels] Bluing Steel [cold blue an old scope] Finishing non ferrous metals, finishing wood, cleaning
Chapter 7 Stocks for the Ruger 10/22... .... 31 pages
[types of stocks, cost of stocks, modifying stocks]
Chapter 8 Barrels for the Ruger 10/22 ........ .....12 pages
Factory barrels, changing barrels, installing aftermarket barrels, Accuracy, types of aftermarket barrels, chart of barrel lengths and weights
Chapter 9 Fire control parts ........... .....12 pages
The authors and editors may be unaware that the meaning of the term "Fire Control" is "sights" and not "trigger mechanism", and that would explain why this is a chapter about trigger mechanisms for the 10/22.
Bolt stop, Replacement trigger Assemblies, Hammer and Sear, Magazine release, firing pin [good pictures on how to remove the firing pin], Extractor, High Capacity Magazines,
Chapter 10 Sights for the Ruger 10/22 ..... ...38 pages
Open sights, Fiber optic sights, Peep Sights, Zephyr Sights, Scope Characteristics, Scopes for rimfires, Scope mounts and rings, A closer look at some rimfire scopes, Red Dot sights
Chapter 11 Testing some Custom rifles... ....40 pages
Testing procedures and goals, Results of accuracy testing
Group size vs ammo with A&B barrel, Fajen Stock, Jard trigger, Weaver V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Butler creek barrel and stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2-7X scope
Group size vs ammo with Butler Creek barrel, Hogue stock, Kidd trigger, V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Green Mountain barrel, Cabela's stock, Jard trigger, V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Green Mountain barrel, Hogue stock, Kidd trigger, V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Jarvis barrel, Hogue stock, Volquartsen trigger, Scheels 4x12 AO scope
Group size vs ammo with Jarvis barrel, modified factory stock, Kidd trigger, V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Kidd barrel, Revival stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Group size vs ammo with Lilja barrel, Hogue stock, Volquartsen trigger, Scheels scope
Group size vs ammo with Magnum Research barrel, Bell&Carlson stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Group size vs ammo with Majestic Arms barrel, Hogue stock, V-16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Ranch Products barrel, factory stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Group size vs ammo with Shaw barrel, modified factory stock, Kidd trigger, V16 scope
Group size vs ammo with Shilen blue barrel, Bell&C stock, Kidd trigger, Cabela's pine ridge scope
Group size vs ammo with Shlen Stainless barrel, B&C stock, Hornet trigger, Scheels scope
Group size vs ammo with Tactical Solutions barrel, McMillan Stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Group size vs ammo with Tactial Solutions barrel, Butler Creek Stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Group size vs ammo with Volquartsen barrel, Hogue stock, Volquartsen trigger, Scheels scope
Group size vs ammo with Whistle Pig barrel, Revival stock, Hornet trigger, Leupold 2x7 scope
Summary, Custom 17 Mach 2 rifles,
Group size vs ammo with 17M2 Majestic Arms barrel, B&C stock, factory trigger, 3x9 Sightron scope
Group size vs ammo with 17M2 Magnum Research barrel, B&C stock, Factory trigger, 3x9 sightron scope
Chapter 12 The Ruger 10/22 Magnum.................... ............15 pages
Design and cycling, Stocks for the 10/22M, Barrels for the 10/22M, Triggers, Testing the Custom 10/22 Magnum rifles
Group size vs ammo with 10/22M Green Mountain barrel, Hogue stock, trigger modified by Hornet, Sightron 3x9 scope
Group size vs ammo with 10/22M Majestic Arms barrel, Hogue stock, trigger mod by Hornet, Sightron 3x9 scope.
Testing 10/22M converted to 17HRM
Group size vs ammo for 17HMR Butler Creek barrel, Hogue stock, trigger mod by Hornet, Sightron 3x9 scope
A custom 17HRM auto loader from Clark Custom Guns
Chapter 13 Sources for the 10/22 Shopper.... ...8 pages

What does it all mean?
You want to buy this book so you will know the effect on your group size caused by different ammo, barrels, triggers, stocks, and scopes. You also want to know how to take your 10/22 apart and change out the parts.
 
Re: .17 HM2 or .22 LR?

I agree. If you plan on plinking or going through a lot of ammo the .22LR is the way to go. You just can't beat the price for the ammo. The .17 hmr is great, but I do a lot of shooting from 200 yards, and don't really go through a lot of ammo per outing (about 25 - 50 rounds).
 
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I have at least 3 10/22s that shoot under 1" @100yd ON THE RIGHT DAY.

We do shoot smallbore silhouette (rams are about 4"tall and 6" long 100M, it's all shot standing)

On a bench on a windy day, 100M groups with good ammo open to 2" or so.

There is ammo that looks great @50yd/M, but completely falls apart in the wind or @100M.
 
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I always figured, that for small caliber, 223 reloads would be better than buying a 17. I like to reload though. I shoot the .22 out to 300 yards all of the time. It teaches wind reading skills a lot better than a faster round would. It is great to spend 2 hours and shoot 50 rounds for $6.00.
 
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I always though I would recommend the 17 but after hunting with both I perfer the 22lr, less noise,less deflection by wind and after 75 yards no difference on game, at least for me anyway.