Ok, the reloading bug bit me. A while back I picked up some 178 amax's and gave them a try using the last bit of RL22. I was amazed at how much better they did than the 190SMK's I was working with. Now I cant find any reloader but I do have H4350 and IMR4831. I have load data on the 4831 and while I didnt get to extensive, my results were not as good as with rl22. I cannot find any data on the H4350. All my searches find is for a .308. I just need a starting point and a max to work with. What results are you folks getting with similar combo's?