Hi Diver, Your gun shoots great - better than mine - I'm okay with that because the gun needs to shoot. But the gun is only part of the system delivering steel on target. I'm thinking about the shots/groups between 400 and 1k when running and gunning, standing, weak side, barricade or rooftop, canted rifle, time crunch, moooovers, multiple targets, tripods -- all of that.
A basic truth - "The shot is rarely taken from the prone" This is not criticism of you or your weapon or your system - you shoot really well and better than I do and that's great. You probably shoot the other stuff better than me too and that's still OK. I accept less accuracy in return for a gun that I can hump and has a lower cleanliness requirement in my physical condition. Horse for courses.
We ARE saying the same.
FWIW I also do not shoot magnums only smaller calibers in PRS/NRL or field type matches. Nor do I use the Vudoo 22 for anything but NRL22, Where in our NRL22 matches it is like cheating.
I also posted several places in this thread acknowledging that
anybody period, would win every positional match ALWAYS if they could maintain .3 (thats mils) AKA MOA under all conditions.
I hope my example of how I blew up in a match a couple of weeks ago also reinforced yours and my point.. Hell, I missed nearly a 4MOA target as mentioned, not once, but 2 times in a row directly after missing more shots in two stages, than I did in the entire match.. sense my guns shoot, I have no doubt it was me.
The original intent was to show 338s and magnums can shoot up close prone (straight) or off a bench (as long as the feet, hips and shoulders are square with the shoulder well in front of the hips, all perpendicular to the gun with good marry of the butt stock and follow thru). Again the only reason for pointing out my Avatar and why I choose it during the “My magnum shoots 1-2MOA at 100; but 1/2 Minute at 300 or 600” sleepy bullet craze was to address some of the myths.
I’m sorry if it looked like I was trying to say how good I shoot by posting the load work up shots.. I was trying to show you that yes, my Avatar is cherry picked, but not out of place while also showing the bad shots.
Not sure if you saw but my original post to Frank was in support of his fundamentals push. The “Secret” and sleepy bullet, I mentioned, was a direct reinforcement that pressure to shoot a small group where you can easily see your progress or shots; often actually brakes down the shooter's fundamentals and a shot or several become “flyers”. By 300, the visual pressure is off and people with less tuned fundamentals tend to become less tense and more repeatable.
Frank has his class squared away fundamentally and shooting small groups at 100. Then he is moving them out where velocity, wind and visually bisecting the targets get harder.. the catch is, These guys are not going to see the anomalies that the above sleepy bullet guys with less fundamentals did; because they didn’t start with the same flaws.
For what it is is worth, I shot with a relatively new shooter to precision LR who took @Lowlight 's class in Alaska and was on his Podcast. I can usually spot a newer shooter, especially if they go to a bench or obstacle. This guy looked great! He set up well, prone, bench, obstacle and tripod,
but when he brought out his fairly new 300NM and was going to shoot it under cover (very load). I'm like --umm here we go ... Setting behind him, he fires on an empty chamber after missing count of his mag...
""CLICK" " not a flinch - good follow through, impressive.. The point being, we all want a short cut, the answer is work - not gear. To be fair the shooter obviously has the head for this stuff, but what this guy learned from
Frank's class was the shortcut to long term success..
Anyway, we derailed this thread. Hope this made some sense.
