Rifle Scopes 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

[glock24]

I saw this in another thread, but thought these new scopes deserved their own conversation.

http://sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1203456029

It looks like they have new mil/mil and MOA/MOA offerings in four magnification ranges;

<span style="font-weight: bold">3.5-10x44mm
6-24x50mm
8-32x56mm
10-50x60mm</span>


Questions;

1. Do we assume they are all still SFP?
2. If so, at what magnification do the reticles subtend?
3. Can current scopes be retrofitted?
4. When will they be available?

 

[Adam B]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

Even if the are sfp I would still be interested in trying one out

 

[SWFA]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

They are all SFP.

We should have them on our site soon to start the back order line.

 

[koshkin]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw this in another thread, but thought these new scopes deserved their own conversation.

http://sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1203456029

It looks like they have new mil/mil and MOA/MOA offerings in four magnification ranges;

<span style="font-weight: bold">3.5-10x44mm
6-24x50mm
8-32x56mm
10-50x60mm</span>


Questions;

1. Do we assume they are all still SFP?
2. If so, at what magnification do the reticles subtend?
3. Can current scopes be retrofitted?
4. When will they be available?



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They are all SFP scopes. Reticle are calibrated at the highest magnification.

I am not sure if current scopes can be retrofitted, but I doubt it.

ILya

 

[Boomstick308]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

Where can I see pictures of the reticle options that they will be offering?

 

[TonyAngel]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

They have all of the reticle information on their website. I just checked it out. The Mildot doesn't look like anything special, but the MOa version looks pretty nice, comparable to the Nightforce NP-R2.

 

[glock24]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

Another update - according to Stephen Glenn (Sightron customer service) they will be offering retrofits to mil knobs for their current line of scopes.

He told me he'd have pricing information on the conversion around the end of March.

 

[Boomstick308]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

That is great to hear since I own one of the 6-24x50 LRMD and would like for the turrets to match the reticle. Cant wait...

 

[dentout]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

bump

 

[jrob300]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the MOa version looks pretty nice, comparable to the Nightforce NP-R2. </div></div>

With the exception that the aiming dot on the Sightron is 2.5x the line width. So it's .25" at 100 yds. Not quite sure why they did this on a LR scope.

John

 

[lennyo3034]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

Aren't most reticules with a center dot .25 moa? Or .1 Mil, which is even larger?

 

[jrob300]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aren't most reticules with a center dot .25 moa? Or .1 Mil, which is even larger? </div></div>

To me, a LR SFP scope is a very different animal than an FFP tactical scope, where the primary use is center of mass targets where you want a quick aiming point and .25 moa precision is not necessary. SFP LR scopes *tend* to be precision instruments. This would seem to be the worst of both worlds. It would be interesting to hear their rationale for the design. I talked to one of their engineers and from talking to him, it seemed that they just copied the MP8 A5 and then *didn't* make it FFP. HUH?

John

 

[lennyo3034]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

That makes sense, I could see that dot as a benefit to a FFP tactical scope. What is the point of a target dot reticle then? I understand that for F-class, holdover and ranging reticles are pointless, but whats the advantage of a target dot scope over fine crosshairs in a LR SFP scope?

Edit: Spelling

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That makes sense, I could see that dot as a benefit to a FFP tactical scope. What is the point of a target dot reticle then? I understand that for F-class, holdover and ranging reticles are pointless, but whats the advantage of a target dot scope over fine crosshairs in a LR SFP scope?

Edit: Spelling </div></div>

I believe the target dot vs. fine crosshair argument is simply a personal preference. Also, one needs to take in consideration what the scope will primarily be used for. For example I love my dot for hunting. In fact, its on my coyote calling rifle and I would never go back to any type of duplex, heavy or fine. But when it comes to long range hunting or shooting, I would much prefer an MOA lined reticle.

I'm more of a precision thinking type of guy...so my biggest issue with FFP is that the reticle grows in relation to the target. The thought of the reticle growing sickens me

But then again, I realize that I have not had any experience with a new FFP reticle to judge, so maybe I should give one a try some day.....

 

[Jon A]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my biggest issue with FFP is that the reticle grows in relation to the target. The thought of the reticle growing sickens me

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No, actually it doesn't. It stays the same size in relation to the target. They both "grow" together.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But then again, I realize that I have not had any experience with a new FFP reticle to judge, <span style="font-weight: bold">so maybe I should give one a try</span> some day..... </div></div>
Yes. Do that. It seems a large percentage of people who have "issues" with FFP scopes have never actually used one very much or any at all.

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes. Do that. It seems a large percentage of people who have "issues" with FFP scopes have never actually used one very much or any at all. </div></div>

Will do. If the reticle ends up being small enough to my liking, I will be a new convert

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

By the way Jon A.....what FFP scope and reticle are you using, or if multiple, which one do you prefer to use?

 

[jrob300]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

Muley,

If you like your reticles fine, check out the Gen 2 XR on the Premier...

25x


John

 

[MuleyTime]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

That's sweet! How are the Premier scopes? Don't see many of them around here......

 

[Jon A]

Re: 2011 Sightron SIII - matching knobs and reticles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleyTime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way Jon A.....what FFP scope and reticle are you using, or if multiple, which one do you prefer to use? </div></div>
I've owned/used around a dozen FFP's, but in the context of this thread about the SIII and your aversion to big/thick reticles, the natural comparison I had in mind was the 6-24 SIII vs. the 6-24 PST FFP as they are similar in price and could be used for the same applications.

While the PST FFP reticle isn't quite as thin as the GenII XR shown above, it's pretty darn thin:

My point is simply while some SFP reticles are thinner, the idea a reticle will be "too thick" simply due to the fact it is FFP isn't necessarily true. You have to think really hard to come up with a few specific scenarios in which the above reticle would be "too thick." There are some to be sure, but not as many as some people fear.