223 50gr Brown Tip Frangible

[CaptArab]

Anybody try these?

https://americanreloading.com/en/22-caliber-222-227/630-223-50gr-brown-tip-frangible-1000ct.html

$90 shipped is pretty decent for 1k projectiles. Thinking it might make a nicer plinker with my WC 844 stash.

Minute of baseball would be good enough.

Just ordered some
I'll let ya know when I find out.

 

[CaptArab]

Hmm. Not following the "you'll need luck" stuff. No real danger involved in working up a load?

 

[Mike Casselton]

Frangible bullets tend to be very long for their weight.
Once you have them in hand, make a comparison with bullets in the 60-75 grain weight range.
Base your load data off of that instead of the actual weight of your projectile.

We used to load a 40gr frangible (copper matrix) and had to use 55gr data or the pressure was through the roof.
Yes, we had piezo pressure test barrels and chronographs to verify everything since it was for commercial purposes.

 

[roostercogburn98]

Ben used for a long time if I remember correctly. Doesn’t tear up steel targets, not a lot of ricochet threat, safe for indoor ranges. Pretty sure the military used this for shoot houses at some point to keep from shredding the walls. Shouldn’t be any different than lead free/frangible handgun ammo right? They have a 45 grain version loaded to 3k FPS. Work up a good safe load and have fun

 

[Halfnutz]

Mike Cassleton is spot on with looking at the next level bullet weight. 60gr should be sufficient. I played with Sinterfire and another brand (Precision I think). The bearing surface is longer than a conventional bullet of the same weight.

 

[CaptArab]

Lots of good info here gentlemen. I appreciate it.

 

[mcfred]

I'd be interested in a range report too if you do work up a load.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Mike Cassleton is spot on with looking at the next level bullet weight. 60gr should be sufficient. I played with Sinterfire and another brand (Precision I think). The bearing surface is longer than a conventional bullet of the same weight.

@Halfnutz
I remember sending a bunch of 9mm and 224 diameter bullets out to someone when I worked at Precision Ammunition. Was that you?

 

[semperfireloading]

I bought a bunch from american reloading. 50 grain Frangible. And I tested them, here. Looks like load data is very similar to 77 grain bullets. I used near 77 grain max loads for reasonable loads in 50 grain brown tips. One reason was the brown tips are 1" long, which is longer than 77 SMK.

50 Grain Frangible Loads

 

[CaptArab]

I bought a bunch from american reloading. 50 grain Frangible. And I tested them, here. Looks like load data is very similar to 77 grain bullets. I used near 77 grain max loads for reasonable loads in 50 grain brown tips. One reason was the brown tips are 1" long, which is longer than 77 SMK.

50 Grain Frangible Loads

Dude thanks for the bump.
I've been staring at the box of these in my reloading room for months.

What's persuaded me from picking up the project is the fact that I probably shouldn't shoot them through a suppressor.

These days I shoot nearly 100% suppressed so it's put the project on hold.

If I can put enough through paper to verify they're not blowing up coming out of the barrel then I might have the confidence to screw a 35 cal can on or something like that.

 

[MK20]

Franj through your can should be fine. Military does it. Just work up a good load first and check it.

 

[semperfireloading]

With this data I made, you should be able to use H335, AA2460, 3031, N135, Benchmark, AR Comp, H322, N130, H4895 and correlate to be in vicinity. Or do you can use the thinking I did, which is look for 77 grain SMK load data, then lower it by 1 entire grain, and start with that. Its very close, because pressure is determined by length of bullet and these are very near 77 SMK.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Try W-748 with the frangibles.

Do not use a roll crimp, use only a taper crimp and test the crimp two ways.

Test by the push in method and if it passes that, give it an angled push. If the projectile breaks at the case mouth, you need to use a lighter crimp.