Is there enough advantages o the 6.5 creedmoore to outweigh the wider variety of brass for the .260. I like the fact that you can get lapua .260 brass, but like the modern design of the creedmoor.
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Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VYD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/ </div></div>
Yeah, I just got done reading that before I made my post. I was considering .270 vs 6.5mm before the article now I'm considering .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor. I would also like more than one persons opinion.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VYD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/ </div></div>
Yeah, I just got done reading that before I made my post. I was considering .270 vs 6.5mm before the article now I'm considering .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor. I would also like more than one persons opinion.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
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The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
</div></div>
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
+1 on having a 260 and loving it. If you ever get in a pinch for ammo its usually at wal-mart or anywhere that sells ammunition. i have a friend who is building a 6.5x47 and cant wait to compare the 2 calibers.
+1 on having a 260 and loving it. If you ever get in a pinch for ammo its usually at wal-mart or anywhere that sells ammunition. i have a friend who is building a 6.5x47 and cant wait to compare the 2 calibers.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>
The guys at SW Ammo are also coming out with 6.5 Creedmoor soon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>
The guys at SW Ammo are also coming out with 6.5 Creedmoor soon
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul
It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
Love the 260 and now that Federal is coming out with the "Match Gold" (rumored to be the 142SMKs) it could be very exciting if it shoots like the 308 ammo.
But as stated above once before...all the 6.5s perform identical for the most part.
260 is a great round with a ton of ammo options.
Love the 260 and now that Federal is coming out with the "Match Gold" (rumored to be the 142SMKs) it could be very exciting if it shoots like the 308 ammo.
But as stated above once before...all the 6.5s perform identical for the most part.
260 is a great round with a ton of ammo options.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
</div></div>
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks. </div></div>
Lapua have said they have no plans to make creedmoor brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks. </div></div>
Lapua have said they have no plans to make creedmoor brass.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJ.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
</div></div>
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks. </div></div>
Lapua have said they have no plans to make creedmoor brass. </div></div>
Then another big reason for .260.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJ.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would also like more than one persons opinion.
The common consensus of all those that shoot the major 6.5 calibers is that they're all the same, just depends on your preference. </div></div>
Awesome, while maybe later lapua will start making making brass for creedmoor, I was really liking that aspect of the .260. Thanks. </div></div>
Lapua have said they have no plans to make creedmoor brass. </div></div>
Then another big reason for .260.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
I don't understand peoples love for Lapua brass, so fucking what if the flash holes are drilled, Win 243 or Win 7-08 is less than half the cost of Lapua 260 brass, and after prep shoots the same, and I don't get my balls in a vice over a piece of brass lost at a match, I bought 500 pieces of Win 7-08 brass after the primer pockets let go 200 pieces of Rem 260 brass, some of that brass has 25 reloads and is still bug holes, I anneal every 3-4 firings. 6.5 CM is a bad ass round, 260 is an old timer, choose either and shoot the shit out of the barrel, get another and keep going.
I don't understand peoples love for Lapua brass, so fucking what if the flash holes are drilled, Win 243 or Win 7-08 is less than half the cost of Lapua 260 brass, and after prep shoots the same, and I don't get my balls in a vice over a piece of brass lost at a match, I bought 500 pieces of Win 7-08 brass after the primer pockets let go 200 pieces of Rem 260 brass, some of that brass has 25 reloads and is still bug holes, I anneal every 3-4 firings. 6.5 CM is a bad ass round, 260 is an old timer, choose either and shoot the shit out of the barrel, get another and keep going.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
Is it ballistically safe to say the .260 and Creedmore are virtually the same
Is it ballistically safe to say the .260 and Creedmore are virtually the same
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gman021</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it ballistically safe to say the .260 and Creedmore are virtually the same </div></div>
Yes...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gman021</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it ballistically safe to say the .260 and Creedmore are virtually the same </div></div>
Yes...
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ......., but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me.</div></div>
What is "tiny barrel life"? I have a 6.5x47L and wonder if I need to junk my barrel. It shoots great, but it does have several thousand rounds through it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ......., but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me.</div></div>
What is "tiny barrel life"? I have a 6.5x47L and wonder if I need to junk my barrel. It shoots great, but it does have several thousand rounds through it.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
Only a champion benchrest shooter would appreciate any advantages Lapua cases might provide. I've used Nosler, Norma, Winchester and Lapua in field competition type shooting. My experience, around 35 years, has been: in the kind of shooting this site is about case brand is not the determinative factor(s).
The determinative factors are:
1.) wind reading ability of the shooter, and
2.) the machinists ability setting up the barrel.
<span style="font-size: 14pt">The gun will shoot if the chamber is straight.</span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt">Barrel life is a concern of machine gunners and bench rest shooters.</span> Unless you're shooting a 3500 fps .30 caliber bullet, stop worrying about wearing out a barrel. Endeavor to wear out a barrel instead and become a better marksman.
So, whether impact occurs is a team effort of the shooter and the gunsmith.
Only a champion benchrest shooter would appreciate any advantages Lapua cases might provide. I've used Nosler, Norma, Winchester and Lapua in field competition type shooting. My experience, around 35 years, has been: in the kind of shooting this site is about case brand is not the determinative factor(s).
The determinative factors are:
1.) wind reading ability of the shooter, and
2.) the machinists ability setting up the barrel.
<span style="font-size: 14pt">The gun will shoot if the chamber is straight.</span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt">Barrel life is a concern of machine gunners and bench rest shooters.</span> Unless you're shooting a 3500 fps .30 caliber bullet, stop worrying about wearing out a barrel. Endeavor to wear out a barrel instead and become a better marksman.
So, whether impact occurs is a team effort of the shooter and the gunsmith.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>There are probably 5 companies loading for the .260 with more coming out all the time, this is a non-issue.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>There are probably 5 companies loading for the .260 with more coming out all the time, this is a non-issue.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only a champion benchrest shooter would appreciate any advantages Lapua cases might provide. I've used Nosler, Norma, Winchester and Lapua in field competition type shooting. My experience, around 35 years, has been: in the kind of shooting this site is about case brand is not the determinative factor(s).
The determinative factors are:
1.) wind reading ability of the shooter, and
2.) the machinists ability setting up the barrel.
<span style="font-size: 14pt">The gun will shoot if the chamber is straight.</span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt">Barrel life is a concern of machine gunners and bench rest shooters.</span> Unless you're shooting a 3500 fps .30 caliber bullet, stop worrying about wearing out a barrel. Endeavor to wear out a barrel instead and become a better marksman.
So, whether impact occurs is a team effort of the shooter and the gunsmith.
</div></div>
Wow. Truer words have never been spoken!
Having just shot out my first barrel (a 308 no less!), it sure gives a nice feeling of accomplishment! Of course, easy to feel ok about a shot-out barrel when you've got a Savage, and a new barrel already in hand.
At the square range, where you can easily get your brass back, Lapua is great - mainly because a "max load" that would use up an FC, Win, or RP case after 4 or 5 hits can last 10-15+. But, for real-world shooting, it flat sucks to be shucking out Lapua brass and leaving it behind!
I'll never bring Lapua brass to a tactical match again... ...which is a serious downside to 6.5x47 IMHO. Fclassers always get their brass back. We don't.
I'm amazed no one (that I've heard of - or the smith I've got working on a rifle now has heard of) is using a 260 (6.5-08??) reamer designed for 308 brass necked down. NATO 7.62 brass is basically free.
I've got my DPMS SASS at the smith getting a 260 Bartlein fitted, which is being chambered thus way. I figure autoloaders are hard on brass to begin with, so I probably won't get enough reloads to form donuts anyway. Plus, a lot of brass will be lost at matches after just one hit.
Between 260 and 6.5CM, the choice for a reloader-type is a no brainer. 260. More case capacity, many brass choices. The 6.5CM is great! but brass isn't prolific, and you are beholden to Hornady to get it. If you buy factory ammo though, the CM is a natural choice.
Lastly, someone above wrote that 6.5x47 can match 260 and CM....? Really? I thought that '47 was a bit down on horsepower in comparison...?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only a champion benchrest shooter would appreciate any advantages Lapua cases might provide. I've used Nosler, Norma, Winchester and Lapua in field competition type shooting. My experience, around 35 years, has been: in the kind of shooting this site is about case brand is not the determinative factor(s).
The determinative factors are:
1.) wind reading ability of the shooter, and
2.) the machinists ability setting up the barrel.
<span style="font-size: 14pt">The gun will shoot if the chamber is straight.</span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt">Barrel life is a concern of machine gunners and bench rest shooters.</span> Unless you're shooting a 3500 fps .30 caliber bullet, stop worrying about wearing out a barrel. Endeavor to wear out a barrel instead and become a better marksman.
So, whether impact occurs is a team effort of the shooter and the gunsmith.
</div></div>
Wow. Truer words have never been spoken!
Having just shot out my first barrel (a 308 no less!), it sure gives a nice feeling of accomplishment! Of course, easy to feel ok about a shot-out barrel when you've got a Savage, and a new barrel already in hand.
At the square range, where you can easily get your brass back, Lapua is great - mainly because a "max load" that would use up an FC, Win, or RP case after 4 or 5 hits can last 10-15+. But, for real-world shooting, it flat sucks to be shucking out Lapua brass and leaving it behind!
I'll never bring Lapua brass to a tactical match again... ...which is a serious downside to 6.5x47 IMHO. Fclassers always get their brass back. We don't.
I'm amazed no one (that I've heard of - or the smith I've got working on a rifle now has heard of) is using a 260 (6.5-08??) reamer designed for 308 brass necked down. NATO 7.62 brass is basically free.
I've got my DPMS SASS at the smith getting a 260 Bartlein fitted, which is being chambered thus way. I figure autoloaders are hard on brass to begin with, so I probably won't get enough reloads to form donuts anyway. Plus, a lot of brass will be lost at matches after just one hit.
Between 260 and 6.5CM, the choice for a reloader-type is a no brainer. 260. More case capacity, many brass choices. The 6.5CM is great! but brass isn't prolific, and you are beholden to Hornady to get it. If you buy factory ammo though, the CM is a natural choice.
Lastly, someone above wrote that 6.5x47 can match 260 and CM....? Really? I thought that '47 was a bit down on horsepower in comparison...?
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am weighing the options of 260 or 6.5CM for my build and I think the availability of components for reloading will make me build a 260</div></div>
The only component different between them is the brass and while in the beginning there was a shortage of brass due to the quick popularity of the round, Hornady is now producing more brass and it's available. Hornady brass for the Creedmoor is excellent as well.
Also AMEN to the words of 427 and Casey. This idol worship of Lapua brass as the be all end all is pretty funny. My rifles shoot very well with any brass. I used to use Lapua brass back in the late 90's when it was $33/100 but would never pay what they charge now. There's not enough cost to benefit especially if you start losing brass at matches.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am weighing the options of 260 or 6.5CM for my build and I think the availability of components for reloading will make me build a 260</div></div>
The only component different between them is the brass and while in the beginning there was a shortage of brass due to the quick popularity of the round, Hornady is now producing more brass and it's available. Hornady brass for the Creedmoor is excellent as well.
Also AMEN to the words of 427 and Casey. This idol worship of Lapua brass as the be all end all is pretty funny. My rifles shoot very well with any brass. I used to use Lapua brass back in the late 90's when it was $33/100 but would never pay what they charge now. There's not enough cost to benefit especially if you start losing brass at matches.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
That's exactly why I've settled on 6.5 Creedmoor for my next caliber for matches. I don't plan on spending all day hunting down dollar bill pieces of brass.
Any of these calibres will outshoot me anyway. As long as my smith did his job setting up my rifle and I do my job as a shooter, almost all of today's match ammo will deliver in a practical tactical scenario.
It seems as if the Creedmor has all the wind defeating benefits but for less money of any of the other 6.5's.
That's exactly why I've settled on 6.5 Creedmoor for my next caliber for matches. I don't plan on spending all day hunting down dollar bill pieces of brass.
Any of these calibres will outshoot me anyway. As long as my smith did his job setting up my rifle and I do my job as a shooter, almost all of today's match ammo will deliver in a practical tactical scenario.
It seems as if the Creedmor has all the wind defeating benefits but for less money of any of the other 6.5's.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.
I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
The shorter Creedmoor case is easier to load to magazine length in ARs with longer bullets. So if you want to eventually branch out to a high end AR for matches or situations that favor the AR platform. go with the creedmoor. I have a 6.5 CM, got 3500 accurate rounds out of the barrel and am switching to 6mm CM. I will run it in bolt and gasser. Full length resize the brass and run the same load. With 120s or 123s you could do the same thing with the 6.5 CM.
The shorter Creedmoor case is easier to load to magazine length in ARs with longer bullets. So if you want to eventually branch out to a high end AR for matches or situations that favor the AR platform. go with the creedmoor. I have a 6.5 CM, got 3500 accurate rounds out of the barrel and am switching to 6mm CM. I will run it in bolt and gasser. Full length resize the brass and run the same load. With 120s or 123s you could do the same thing with the 6.5 CM.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyDonkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>There are probably 5 companies loading for the .260 with more coming out all the time, this is a non-issue. </div></div>
I know there are companies loading .260 ammo. The problem is most gun shops don't stock ammo from these smaller ammunition manufacturers. Right now you can find Hornady ammo in 6.5 Creedmoor at most descent sized gun shops/sporting goods stores. Finding match .260 ammo on the shelf is fairly difficult. That should change once federal starts making .260 Gold Medal Match.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyDonkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, the advantage to the Creedmoor is the availability of great factory loads from Hornady.
I have a .260 and am very happy with it. </div></div>There are probably 5 companies loading for the .260 with more coming out all the time, this is a non-issue. </div></div>
I know there are companies loading .260 ammo. The problem is most gun shops don't stock ammo from these smaller ammunition manufacturers. Right now you can find Hornady ammo in 6.5 Creedmoor at most descent sized gun shops/sporting goods stores. Finding match .260 ammo on the shelf is fairly difficult. That should change once federal starts making .260 Gold Medal Match.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim See</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.</div></div>
Did you shoot them? People get way too hung up on weighing things, especially brass, and thinking that corresponds to accuracy.
As to 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammo, you need to compare cost as well to the loaded .260. The Creedmoor is about $23/20.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim See</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.</div></div>
Did you shoot them? People get way too hung up on weighing things, especially brass, and thinking that corresponds to accuracy.
As to 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammo, you need to compare cost as well to the loaded .260. The Creedmoor is about $23/20.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am weighing the options of 260 or 6.5CM for my build and I think the availability of components for reloading will make me build a 260</div></div>
The only component different between them is the brass and while in the beginning there was a shortage of brass due to the quick popularity of the round, Hornady is now producing more brass and it's available. Hornady brass for the Creedmoor is excellent as well.
Also AMEN to the words of 427 and Casey. This idol worship of Lapua brass as the be all end all is pretty funny. My rifles shoot very well with any brass. I used to use Lapua brass back in the late 90's when it was $33/100 but would never pay what they charge now. There's not enough cost to benefit especially if you start losing brass at matches. </div></div>
I agree about the Lapua vs. Others case. Lapua is great brass but certainly not the only path to shoot bugholes. I use Lapua in my 260 but for very different reasons. My job does not allow me ample time to reload (i.e. case prep). Since Lapus brass is bascially ready to go out of the box (maybe subject to minor trimming) I use it. And no, I have not noticed one bit of difference in my groups betwen Lapua, Nosler and Remington brass.
Jason
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingweb50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am weighing the options of 260 or 6.5CM for my build and I think the availability of components for reloading will make me build a 260</div></div>
The only component different between them is the brass and while in the beginning there was a shortage of brass due to the quick popularity of the round, Hornady is now producing more brass and it's available. Hornady brass for the Creedmoor is excellent as well.
Also AMEN to the words of 427 and Casey. This idol worship of Lapua brass as the be all end all is pretty funny. My rifles shoot very well with any brass. I used to use Lapua brass back in the late 90's when it was $33/100 but would never pay what they charge now. There's not enough cost to benefit especially if you start losing brass at matches. </div></div>
I agree about the Lapua vs. Others case. Lapua is great brass but certainly not the only path to shoot bugholes. I use Lapua in my 260 but for very different reasons. My job does not allow me ample time to reload (i.e. case prep). Since Lapus brass is bascially ready to go out of the box (maybe subject to minor trimming) I use it. And no, I have not noticed one bit of difference in my groups betwen Lapua, Nosler and Remington brass.
Jason
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim See</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.</div></div>
Did you shoot them? People get way too hung up on weighing things, especially brass, and thinking that corresponds to accuracy.
As to 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammo, you need to compare cost as well to the loaded .260. The Creedmoor is about $23/20. </div></div>
Agreed. I'm sorry friends, but I've given up on weighing brass for shooting at anything under 1,000 yards. Just have not found where it makes one bit of difference. I place emphasis on checking case concentricity and bullet runout. Just go with a 260, brass is cheaper and easier to come by. It's a no-brainer to me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim See</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently sorted 750 pcs of Hornady creedmoor brass.
9 grains high to low and all from the same lot.
sorted 1000 winchester 284 cases, 5.5 grains high to low
sorted 500 300 rum remington cases 6 grains high to low.
for as small and light as the CM case is 9 grains is totally unbelievable.</div></div>
Did you shoot them? People get way too hung up on weighing things, especially brass, and thinking that corresponds to accuracy.
As to 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammo, you need to compare cost as well to the loaded .260. The Creedmoor is about $23/20. </div></div>
Agreed. I'm sorry friends, but I've given up on weighing brass for shooting at anything under 1,000 yards. Just have not found where it makes one bit of difference. I place emphasis on checking case concentricity and bullet runout. Just go with a 260, brass is cheaper and easier to come by. It's a no-brainer to me.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
When looking into the 260 vs 6.5CM the one big factor to consider is... do you reload? if not the Creedmoor is the way to go as the Hornady ammo just shots! and I mean in any 6.5CM rig. I also agree with Rob on the brass issue. That's the reason I still shot WW in my 308 on my 13th cycle and it still performs just fine, Lapua brass doesn't warrant the cost and I think the weight issue is also blown way out of proportion for tactical purposes,.5 MOA is all you need the trick, is the shooter up to the task on every squeeze.
JM02.
Sully
When looking into the 260 vs 6.5CM the one big factor to consider is... do you reload? if not the Creedmoor is the way to go as the Hornady ammo just shots! and I mean in any 6.5CM rig. I also agree with Rob on the brass issue. That's the reason I still shot WW in my 308 on my 13th cycle and it still performs just fine, Lapua brass doesn't warrant the cost and I think the weight issue is also blown way out of proportion for tactical purposes,.5 MOA is all you need the trick, is the shooter up to the task on every squeeze.
JM02.
Sully
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
All I shoot is the 140 AMAX factory ammo at matches and it's very accurate.
Why don't you like the AMAX? I like the AMAX design as the meplats are all the same and it keeps the BC consistent. They are also very accurate and use the same AMP bullet manufacturing as the BTHPs.
All I shoot is the 140 AMAX factory ammo at matches and it's very accurate.
Why don't you like the AMAX? I like the AMAX design as the meplats are all the same and it keeps the BC consistent. They are also very accurate and use the same AMP bullet manufacturing as the BTHPs.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
when i hear people talk about loosing brass at a match
i always laugh.....i burn more fuel just getting to and from a match than the cost of brass
ive got 2700 rnds down my 260 shooting the same crappy rem brass
still shoots great... i did go the lapua route at first but found no real differences...just alot more work at the bench and less time shooting
i agree with jayman the only thing i weigh is powder
if you are worried about loosing brass just take a bright pink marker to it ... noone is going to pick it up
as far as the diff between calibers well
the creedmore has caught my eye...the slightly shorter case, the 30deg shoulder with the same velocity...i just dont know if its worth it to recaliber all my reloading gear
in matches i have beat and been beaten by all calibers
when i hear people talk about loosing brass at a match
i always laugh.....i burn more fuel just getting to and from a match than the cost of brass
ive got 2700 rnds down my 260 shooting the same crappy rem brass
still shoots great... i did go the lapua route at first but found no real differences...just alot more work at the bench and less time shooting
i agree with jayman the only thing i weigh is powder
if you are worried about loosing brass just take a bright pink marker to it ... noone is going to pick it up
as far as the diff between calibers well
the creedmore has caught my eye...the slightly shorter case, the 30deg shoulder with the same velocity...i just dont know if its worth it to recaliber all my reloading gear
in matches i have beat and been beaten by all calibers
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
I have both the 6.5CM and the 260 and they basically shoot the same. However, when it comes to off the shed ammo, the 6.5 shoots the best with $23/box Hornady ammo, and the 260 shoots the best with the CorBon $36/box ammo - and they both shoot the same. Despite my reloading, I really like my ability to grab the Hornady ammo for so cheap for the 6.5 and shoot jagged holes with it.
I have both the 6.5CM and the 260 and they basically shoot the same. However, when it comes to off the shed ammo, the 6.5 shoots the best with $23/box Hornady ammo, and the 260 shoots the best with the CorBon $36/box ammo - and they both shoot the same. Despite my reloading, I really like my ability to grab the Hornady ammo for so cheap for the 6.5 and shoot jagged holes with it.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
As long as we're talking about Creedmoor...
What about the 7mm CM? From what I've seen from the SAC 7CM, it's pretty frickin attractive! Very efficient, low powder charges and great velocity. Redding makes the dies. Reloader cartridge only, though.
Wanna say 2800fps with a 162amax. Looks like a mini-284.
As long as we're talking about Creedmoor...
What about the 7mm CM? From what I've seen from the SAC 7CM, it's pretty frickin attractive! Very efficient, low powder charges and great velocity. Redding makes the dies. Reloader cartridge only, though.
Wanna say 2800fps with a 162amax. Looks like a mini-284.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> when i hear people talk about loosing brass at a match
i always laugh.....i burn more fuel just getting to and from a match than the cost of brass
ive got 2700 rnds down my 260 shooting the same crappy rem brass
still shoots great... i did go the lapua route at first but found no real differences...just alot more work at the bench and less time shooting
i agree with jayman the only thing i weigh is powder
if you are worried about loosing brass just take a bright pink marker to it ... noone is going to pick it up
as far as the diff between calibers well
the creedmore has caught my eye...the slightly shorter case, the 30deg shoulder with the same velocity...i just dont know if its worth it to recaliber all my reloading gear
in matches i have beat and been beaten by all calibers
</div></div>
Most matches I see figure around 150 to 200 rounds fired. Figure Lapua brass at $1 a round. Lets say you lose half of them, $75-$100 in lost brass. More than I want to just throw away.
Especially when you consider what everyones saying, including you. The .260, 6.5 CM and 6.5 Lap are so close in performance, it doesnt make any sense at all to spend more to shoot when the performance gains are so minimal or non existent.
In my eyes Hornady changed the game with such affordable factory match options that shoot so well. I dont reload right now. I'll buy factory ammo and save the brass for when I do.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> when i hear people talk about loosing brass at a match
i always laugh.....i burn more fuel just getting to and from a match than the cost of brass
ive got 2700 rnds down my 260 shooting the same crappy rem brass
still shoots great... i did go the lapua route at first but found no real differences...just alot more work at the bench and less time shooting
i agree with jayman the only thing i weigh is powder
if you are worried about loosing brass just take a bright pink marker to it ... noone is going to pick it up
as far as the diff between calibers well
the creedmore has caught my eye...the slightly shorter case, the 30deg shoulder with the same velocity...i just dont know if its worth it to recaliber all my reloading gear
in matches i have beat and been beaten by all calibers
</div></div>
Most matches I see figure around 150 to 200 rounds fired. Figure Lapua brass at $1 a round. Lets say you lose half of them, $75-$100 in lost brass. More than I want to just throw away.
Especially when you consider what everyones saying, including you. The .260, 6.5 CM and 6.5 Lap are so close in performance, it doesnt make any sense at all to spend more to shoot when the performance gains are so minimal or non existent.
In my eyes Hornady changed the game with such affordable factory match options that shoot so well. I dont reload right now. I'll buy factory ammo and save the brass for when I do.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
i totally agree with you
if you dont reload 6.5 cm is a very affordable caliber to shoot
i have seen this round shoot just as good as my reloads
i totally agree with you
if you dont reload 6.5 cm is a very affordable caliber to shoot
i have seen this round shoot just as good as my reloads
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"?
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i totally agree with you
if you dont reload 6.5 cm is a very affordable caliber to shoot
i have seen this round shoot just as good as my reloads
</div></div>
This is why I'm almost regretting my most recent build in .308.
6.5 CM's costs for match quality stuff puts it very close to Match .308, with less options though. I guess having a quality .308 in the stable is always a great thing considering the rounds availability but with spring time here and so many matches right around the corner, I should have completed my 6.5 first.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i totally agree with you
if you dont reload 6.5 cm is a very affordable caliber to shoot
i have seen this round shoot just as good as my reloads
</div></div>
This is why I'm almost regretting my most recent build in .308.
6.5 CM's costs for match quality stuff puts it very close to Match .308, with less options though. I guess having a quality .308 in the stable is always a great thing considering the rounds availability but with spring time here and so many matches right around the corner, I should have completed my 6.5 first.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
Sweet Jesus that's some shootin' for yo azz!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
</div></div>
Sweet Jesus that's some shootin' for yo azz!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
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Re: .260 vs 6.5 creedmoor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
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Yeah, but it isn't a 6.5x47 Lapua
The guy I was responding to suggested the "short" life of the 6.5x47.
Either way, you're right, the barrel is the CHEAP part.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pjparker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that there is a trend in the F Class community of abandoning all other 6.5's and going to the 6.5 x 47. Same ballistics with less powder. Superb accuracy and Lapua brass. Just something to consider.
Paul </div></div>
Yes I have thought about the lapua roud, but the excessive pressures and tiny barrel life is negative for me. </div></div>
Tiny barrel life? Have you burned one out? What is "tiny"? </div></div>
I just burned out my 1st barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor at 3800 rounds in 11 months. $1300 in bullets, $180 in powder, $120 in primers and $400 in brass. Barrel change $500? Barrels are the least expensive consumable you will use.
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Yeah, but it isn't a 6.5x47 Lapua
Either way, you're right, the barrel is the CHEAP part.
