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Hunting & Fishing 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
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Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
Federal's factory loading with the 140gr Accubond has >1300ft/lb energy at 500yd.
I'd think maybe 800yd for whitetail, 400-500 for elk, and <300 for moose with a shooter who can put a quality bullet where they want it to go.
Federal's factory loading with the 140gr Accubond has >1300ft/lb energy at 500yd.
I'd think maybe 800yd for whitetail, 400-500 for elk, and <300 for moose with a shooter who can put a quality bullet where they want it to go.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
Worry more about being able to put the right bullet in the right place. Chambering is a distant third behind skill/accuracy and bullet construction.
Mind the first two concerns and 270 is more than enough.
Worry more about being able to put the right bullet in the right place. Chambering is a distant third behind skill/accuracy and bullet construction.
Mind the first two concerns and 270 is more than enough.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
Sir,
I shot my first 19 bull elk with a 7mm magnum wildcat shooting a 150 grain Nosler partition at 3400 fps. It was amazing. I had a nice light .270 Win made up and decided to carry it on some long hunts where weight was a factor. I shot 130 grain Barnes TS bullets at 3205 fps. Shot two mature bull elk in the shoulder and both ran 30-40 yards and died. Ranges 50 yards and 250 yards. Most elk with the 7mm died in their tracks, actually all but two. The guides at White Mountain Apache Reservation see a lot of mature bulls shot and say few die in their tracks. And most are shot with 300 mags, .338 and 375 mags etc. They were always a bit suprised when mine just fell over. Proper shot placement and good bullets are the key. That being said, I do not regard the .270 as an ultra long range elk ctg. Elk are large and tough and can travel long distances in rough country quickly. I would keep the shots to 400 yards or less with about any ctg. JMO, but based on much expirence.
Sir,
I shot my first 19 bull elk with a 7mm magnum wildcat shooting a 150 grain Nosler partition at 3400 fps. It was amazing. I had a nice light .270 Win made up and decided to carry it on some long hunts where weight was a factor. I shot 130 grain Barnes TS bullets at 3205 fps. Shot two mature bull elk in the shoulder and both ran 30-40 yards and died. Ranges 50 yards and 250 yards. Most elk with the 7mm died in their tracks, actually all but two. The guides at White Mountain Apache Reservation see a lot of mature bulls shot and say few die in their tracks. And most are shot with 300 mags, .338 and 375 mags etc. They were always a bit suprised when mine just fell over. Proper shot placement and good bullets are the key. That being said, I do not regard the .270 as an ultra long range elk ctg. Elk are large and tough and can travel long distances in rough country quickly. I would keep the shots to 400 yards or less with about any ctg. JMO, but based on much expirence.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
I am not the one shooting it. My old man is a great shot with his 270. win but everyone was telling him that shots could be a little longer. Anywhere from ranges of 100-450 yards or so. My dad originally was confident in his shooting and in his rifle and now that everyone was saying it cant be down with a 270. win hes looking into buying a bigger gun.
I told him its a waste since we wont be doing this hunt every year. So far its the first time ever in his 30 years of hunting and i dont think he needs to waste his money on a new gun but instead invest in a great scope! He normally hunts moose and he has never ever had a moose go more then 30 yards. He has shot 4 moose in his time (age 17-25) and then he took time off from hunting to raise his kids and now he has been back in the game for the past 5-6 years. Since then he has got another moose and 2 caribou and 4 out of the 5 dropped right where they stood. the last one was dropped then got back up and walked 30 yards and dropped for the last time.
I think rather then buying a bigger gun, invest in a better scope
I am not the one shooting it. My old man is a great shot with his 270. win but everyone was telling him that shots could be a little longer. Anywhere from ranges of 100-450 yards or so. My dad originally was confident in his shooting and in his rifle and now that everyone was saying it cant be down with a 270. win hes looking into buying a bigger gun.
I told him its a waste since we wont be doing this hunt every year. So far its the first time ever in his 30 years of hunting and i dont think he needs to waste his money on a new gun but instead invest in a great scope! He normally hunts moose and he has never ever had a moose go more then 30 yards. He has shot 4 moose in his time (age 17-25) and then he took time off from hunting to raise his kids and now he has been back in the game for the past 5-6 years. Since then he has got another moose and 2 caribou and 4 out of the 5 dropped right where they stood. the last one was dropped then got back up and walked 30 yards and dropped for the last time.
I think rather then buying a bigger gun, invest in a better scope
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
My grandpa has been killing everything in North America sense the 1940's with a .270 shooting cheap Spear 130gr (pretty sure they are 130gr) soft points. Its the indian not the arrow.
My grandpa has been killing everything in North America sense the 1940's with a .270 shooting cheap Spear 130gr (pretty sure they are 130gr) soft points. Its the indian not the arrow.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
I've been tinkering with the 165 Matrix bullets in the 270 WSM and 270 Win, out of the Win. it is capable to 800yrd by the numbers and the WSM to 1100yrds. If you load for a 1-10 twist 270 the 165 Matrix is worth a look!! Just your average run of the mill load of the shelf I would stay in the 400yrd range though. All dependent on your ability and conditions.
I've been tinkering with the 165 Matrix bullets in the 270 WSM and 270 Win, out of the Win. it is capable to 800yrd by the numbers and the WSM to 1100yrds. If you load for a 1-10 twist 270 the 165 Matrix is worth a look!! Just your average run of the mill load of the shelf I would stay in the 400yrd range though. All dependent on your ability and conditions.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
examples to (may) guide you:
- uncle of a good friend is using 243 on up to red deer without problems. it's about 'hitting the life' (heart/lungs). hit within +- 2 inches at any distance and you are pretty much set.
- use the appropriate bullet. for larger animals, take stronger bullets such as accubond over ballistic tip.
- here, the bullet has to have at least 2700 joule at the muzzle to be used on large/strong deer (red deer, ibex). a 270 easily has that (about 3.9 kj).
- check the bullet energy at the target distance. while you can hit a target (within +- 2 inches) at a certain distance, you want to kill the animal as quickly as possible. you need to punch skin and maybe bones, not only paper. i'd say that out to 300m, you should be more than on the save side. remains the question whether you can hold within +- 2 inches there under hunting conditions.
in total - it's about hunting, not killing. it's an animal, not a target. if you are not sure, get closer. it's preying and stalking, using the wind to your advantage, outsmarting the animal. see the animal, smell the animal. once you do that, you are close enough that a 270 is good for everything.
examples to (may) guide you:
- uncle of a good friend is using 243 on up to red deer without problems. it's about 'hitting the life' (heart/lungs). hit within +- 2 inches at any distance and you are pretty much set.
- use the appropriate bullet. for larger animals, take stronger bullets such as accubond over ballistic tip.
- here, the bullet has to have at least 2700 joule at the muzzle to be used on large/strong deer (red deer, ibex). a 270 easily has that (about 3.9 kj).
- check the bullet energy at the target distance. while you can hit a target (within +- 2 inches) at a certain distance, you want to kill the animal as quickly as possible. you need to punch skin and maybe bones, not only paper. i'd say that out to 300m, you should be more than on the save side. remains the question whether you can hold within +- 2 inches there under hunting conditions.
in total - it's about hunting, not killing. it's an animal, not a target. if you are not sure, get closer. it's preying and stalking, using the wind to your advantage, outsmarting the animal. see the animal, smell the animal. once you do that, you are close enough that a 270 is good for everything.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
I load for a friend's .270. I do not recall the chg wt, but a dose of H4350 under a Nosler BT was yielding .75" at 100yds in a cheap 700 ADL. I was so pleased with the performance, I put the rifle in a Bell & Carlson stock to make him a "lifetime rifle." I was surprised and greatly pleased. It kills whitetail like a hammer and is accurate.
I load for a friend's .270. I do not recall the chg wt, but a dose of H4350 under a Nosler BT was yielding .75" at 100yds in a cheap 700 ADL. I was so pleased with the performance, I put the rifle in a Bell & Carlson stock to make him a "lifetime rifle." I was surprised and greatly pleased. It kills whitetail like a hammer and is accurate.
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> My old man is a great shot with his 270 win... My dad originally was confident in his shooting and in his rifle .....
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There is a whole lot to be said for confidence in one's equipment & abilities....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> My old man is a great shot with his 270 win... My dad originally was confident in his shooting and in his rifle .....
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There is a whole lot to be said for confidence in one's equipment & abilities....
Re: 270. win capabilities on game suchas Elk and Moose
This was the great Jack O Connor's favorite caliber. If you don't know who this is, he was only considered the greatest outdoors writer ever, and one of the greatest hunters. He is the reason the .270win is a popular hunting round. He used a 130 grain .270win at about 3100fps to take every North American game. He said the 30-06 and .270win is enough gun for any North American animal.
They used to load the .270win hotter back in the day, then they started trying to convince people that they needed magnum rounds and backed it off a little.
This was the great Jack O Connor's favorite caliber. If you don't know who this is, he was only considered the greatest outdoors writer ever, and one of the greatest hunters. He is the reason the .270win is a popular hunting round. He used a 130 grain .270win at about 3100fps to take every North American game. He said the 30-06 and .270win is enough gun for any North American animal.
They used to load the .270win hotter back in the day, then they started trying to convince people that they needed magnum rounds and backed it off a little.
