270 Win for sniping (shooting snipes)?

[neoinarien]

The good
Good ballistic co-efficient, flexible for reloading, flat trajectory, excellent MPBR, lighter recoil

The bad
Long action, rounds aren't that heavy, better options available, doesn't start with 30 or 6


But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be?

 

[blklabs]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Do you really need a 270 for sniping? I thought a 410 was adequate for those little birds, even a net or paper bag works .......

 

[neoinarien]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blklabs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really need a 270 for sniping? I thought a 410 was adequate for those little birds, even a net or paper bag works ....... </div></div>

har har har

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Good BC? Compared to what? The 6, 6.5, 7mm and 30 cals all have better BC bullets then the .277/6.8mm bullets. It's just not that snipery.

 

[Louis Corkern]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be?</div></div>

And just what are you "sniping"? LMAO

 

[blklabs]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

How about you rephrase the question to something like "Is a 270 a good for all around hunting and extended or long range shooting?"

Just a suggestion, check out some of the other threads where guys are asking about "sniping" rifles ........

 

[rackchaser71]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

oh man you better change that word sniper to operator or something, trust me i got my ass chewed when i used that word, its worst than the n word around here. or you can just leave it like i did and deal with the bullshit answers and wait for someone with a serious one to show up lol.eventually you will get a real answer, but really when you say sniper are you wanting a .270 for work or are you just looking for a precision rifle. personally i would go with a heavier bullet that .270 might get bucked by the wind a bit. whats wrong with 06 or .308, did you find a really good deal on a 270 or something?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The good
Good ballistic co-efficient, flexible for reloading, flat trajectory, excellent MPBR, lighter recoil

The bad
Long action, rounds aren't that heavy, better options available, doesn't start with 30 or 6


But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be? </div></div>

 

[Graham]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

No good bullets available.

 

[hilbillee]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Sierra has come out with the 135 gr. HPBT Matchking for the .270.

 

[7mmRM]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Berger has some VLDs in .277

 

[Graham]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

What's the BC?

 

[7mmRM]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

130VLD = .452

140VLD = .487

150VLD = .531

 

[blklabs]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the BC? </div></div>

130 gr - G1 BC .452
140 gr - G1 BC .487
150 gr - G1 BC .531

These are all the Hunting VLD design .......

 

[dar1246]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Most of the 270s I have mess with shoot the 130s great but not the heavier bullets. A custom might but your bullet selection sucks for a 270.

 

[steve123]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The good
Good ballistic co-efficient, flexible for reloading, flat trajectory, excellent MPBR, lighter recoil

The bad
Long action, rounds aren't that heavy, better options available, doesn't start with 30 or 6


But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be? </div></div>

neoinarien,

I won't thrash you about the sniping comment

I sneak up and snipe evil steel plates all the time

(no disrespect to real snipers)!

Step 1.Acquire decent scope with target turrets and mount to 270 Win.20 MOA base helps with longer ranges.

2.A... Find ballistic coefficient of 270 bullet on JBM calculations.
B... Shoot through chronogragh and find out velocity.
C... Measure scope height from center of scope to center of bore.
D... Find out altitude.

3.Plug this data with turret value into JBM's simple calculation.Use given data for the number of clicks to be used for different distances.It will get you close impacts for long range shooting.A little tuning for actual impacts might need to be done.

Fire away and have fun.It'll shoot plenty flat enough.

Buy a steel plate to shoot on,well worth the money.

Steve

 

[Graham]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">130VLD = .452
140VLD = .487
150VLD = .531 </div></div>Then I stand by what I said above about no good bullets.

 

[jasonk]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

The 270 isn't very snipery imho, but just for fun, what would you intend for your 270 to snipe?

 

[dreamlander]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Sierra makes game kings and match kings that are lighter but still have near as good of bc's as everyones beloved .308 win bullets, but since they are lighter and shot through a .270 win you will be able to shoot them quite a bit faster. You will have no problems reaching out and touching something.
But like steve123 suggested, other tools will be more important for long range than what caliber you are shooting. A chronograph is a necessity and I really like Nightforce's ballistics program. With these 2 tools and some decent optics you will able to get out to 1000 yds with a 270 win.

 

[dlc356]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Hilbillee,

The dog pic in your sig line cracks me up every time I see it.

 

[idahoshooter]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

It may not have the highest BC, but a 150 berger at 2950-3000 ish is nothing to sneeze at. I mean thats what a 308 will push 155's. A great hunting round IMO.

 

[H5N1]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

I have seen the 135's and 4831 shoot tiny groups before and work well to 500yds.
But in my mind there is no reason to own a .270, unless it was a gift.
There is a reason most bullet choices start with a 6 or a 3 the 7's are pretty serious BC wise. IMHO BC and speed is most all of what matters in cartridge selection for light skinned... "sniping"

 

[buffybuster]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

IMO the main obstacle to the .257" and .277" diameter is, as stated, the lack of really good high BC bullets. There is nothing magical about .243", .264" and .308" except very high BC match bullets are made for them. If similar bullets were made in .257" and .277", then barrel makers will offer fast twist barrels in these calibers. I've sent emails to Berger asking, but nothing yet.

 

[dar1246]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

A 270 is a excellent hunting round but shooting at 800 yards. You would be at a disadvantage shooting againist a higher BC bullet. Even the 25-06 would be a compareable round to this. Shoots great up to 500 yards but will lose it after that.

 

[dreamlander]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

There definitely aren't as many brands making .277 match bullets, but there are good ones. Sierra's 135 grn mk has a .488 bc. A good affordable bullet with a good bc. This being said I agree with buffy that your options are more limited with the .277 caliber.
If you load your own something else to think about is brass manufacturers. I lean toward any caliber that Lapua makes brass for, it really is that much better.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be? </div></div>

A rifle used for something as serious as taking a persons life damn well better be dedicated to the task.

That is not to say that a Sniper Rifle cannot be used for steel, target or hunting, but it ALWAYS must be dedicated to it's most serious purpose. Failure to do so can result it you loosing everything.

PS, if you are not paid to shoot a precision rifle at people, you are not a Sniper and thus you do not need to be "sniping" anything.

 

[ChadTRG42]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

I learned to shoot long range with a 270 on a factory Howa 1500, so I have used it a lot. I used the 135 SMK and 130 SST. The best BC is going to be the Bergers. You will have to decide if you want more weight with more drop and less wind drift, or lighter bullet with flatter trajectory with more wind drift. If you want it for mainly long range, go heavy bullets (140 or 150). For 600 or less, go lighter (130).
Compared to other caliber bullets (6.5mm, 7mm), the 270 doesn't have the best BC's. Will it do it, yes. I've argued this before- it will still have better ballistics than a 308 Win with the right bullet.
If all you have is a 270, I say load up some 135 SMK or Berger VLD's to test, and once you find a load the rifle likes, shoot the heck out of it. It will do it, but you just don't see any 270 Win (except one I've seen in a match!) rifles out there. Let me know if you need any good info on it.

Chad

 

[rem700man]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

I don't know what's going on but it seems like 2010 is making everybody want to be a sniper or at least own a "snipe rifle". I guess I need to sell my precision rifle and get me one these sniper rifles. He'll even the blind want to snipe.

Btw if you join the Marine Corp they will give you a sniper rifle and a properly suited caliber for the task at hand.

 

[DaveV]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be? </div></div>

Happens to me all the time...

I'm out deer hunting and the thought hits me, "What if I suddenly find myself in a situation that requires me to take a human down at distance? Will this rifle work or do I need to drive all the way home and trade out rifles? What about the gas money? Do I leave the deer in the truck bed or do I need to stop at the butcher shop first? What if I have my hunting knife on me when I take down the tango? Will this show intent to field dress the said zombie?

...so many questions

...so much drama

 

[patches]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neoinarien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But for a rifle doubling as hunting and sniping (IE, not a dedicated sniper platform), solid choice? What would you expect the maximum effective range to be?</div></div>

And just what are you "sniping"? LMAO </div></div>

I'm with Later and DaveV on this one....

 

[gugubica]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

I used a 270win for sniping once...it sucked...I didn't hit shit.

Those little bastards are fast...and small (the snipes, that is).

 

[dntfxr]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Not to be a smartass, but this is "<span style="font-style: italic">Sniper's</span> Hide".

Besides, I don't think anybody asking about a .270 would actually want to use it as a dept rifle...

 

[flyboy]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

No its not the best choice, But the load I have for my 270 has me at 32moa at 1000 and still at 1330fps. I'd say it will keep up.

 

[neoinarien]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Thanks for the input guys. I do reload (have been for years), and glass is not at issue.

The problem is that I am unfamiliar with the performance capabilities, except on paper, of the 270. Someone was offering me a screaming deal on a 270 but I was not about to buy it before I checked out the caliber more first.

Now if only I can get a screaming deal on a 6.5x55 (my pet cartridge).

 

[blklabs]

Re: 270 Win for sniping (shooting snipes)?

If its a screaming deal pick it up, through some good glass on it and just use at as a mid-range precision rifle

and dedicated hunting rig. I use a Weatherby Vanguard 270 that I have had since I was 7 as a hunting rig and have killed a lot of deer and hogs with it. At your typical hunting ranges of a few hundred yards ........ 270 = dead and it will perform ok when you want to punch paper.

 

[Graham]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...if you are not paid to shoot a precision rifle at people, you are not a Sniper...</div></div>Many snipers, for various reasons, do not get paid. I recently met a fellow in Prague who, over a bowl of home-made dumpling soup, schooled me on the finer points of using iron sights at extreme ranges:
http://www.jewishpartisans.org/t_switch.php?pageName=all+partisans&gloss=false

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Point taken. I do realize that throughout history there were some very proficient Snipers who fought for a noble cause and were not on the state's payroll. However history is also replete with "snipers" who were simply cowards with rifles who killed innocents. Sometimes the difference is simply who was writing the history books.

Hopefully the OP got what I was getting at.

 

[RemingtonSPS]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

If it's a good deal buy it and rebarrel in 280ai.

 

[neoinarien]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Point taken. I do realize that throughout history there were some very proficient Snipers who fought for a noble cause and were not on the state's payroll. However history is also replete with "snipers" who were simply cowards with rifles who killed innocents. Sometimes the difference is simply who was writing the history books.

Hopefully the OP got what I was getting at.
</div></div>

Yes, I got it and hence the thread title edit.

 

[wbm]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used a 270win for sniping once...it sucked...I didn't hit shit.</div></div>

If you can't hit em with a .270 ain't nothing bigger gonna help.

 

[Jerry m]

Re: 270 Win for sniping?

Have to agree. Shooting a 150 Grain Nosler Combined Technology .277 diameter bullet at 2950-3000 FPS is doable and nothing to sneeze at.

(No comment on the title of the thread.)

Good Luck

Jerry