284 Win w/ AIAW mag
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Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
i asked same question and was told their is to much taper in the case/ and to fat to cycle reliably so i built mine on a LA with 300wm aics mags which feeds perfectly.
hope this helps
i asked same question and was told their is to much taper in the case/ and to fat to cycle reliably so i built mine on a LA with 300wm aics mags which feeds perfectly.
hope this helps
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Damn.
I don't suppose if I sent you a few bucks you'd consider loading a couple dummy rounds from worn out cases for me? I'm wondering if perhaps I could make it work with a custom follower or something.
Damn.
I don't suppose if I sent you a few bucks you'd consider loading a couple dummy rounds from worn out cases for me? I'm wondering if perhaps I could make it work with a custom follower or something.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Hard to understand why you would want to go Short Action with a .284 case anyways...
Use long action, or at least a Win 70 short action with all the bolt travel opened up... Gives you much more bullet seating room. Be able to use all that ".30-06 power in short case" that the .284 is supposed to deliver.
The .284win case does not have too much taper.
Might think about this: The Sako TRG 42 .300win magazine will feed .284win or 6.5x55 cases. You'd get 8 or 9 rounds capacity. Mags are more expensive, but... Do you also shoot a magnum longrange ctg? The Sako M995 action will interchange bolts. Beretta USA sells a .473" bolt for the TRG-S that fits the TRG-42. The 22 action is shorter, so no factory bolt interchange there. Just mentioning this because, the TRG-42 is the best rifle system going for the switchbarrel shooter. You can buy it in Lapua Magnum and then get factory interchangeable bolts for the regular magnum and standard .30-06 ctgs. A bit more trouble to modify the .300win magazines for .30-06 body cases that are .07" smaller diameter, but .284 or 6.5x55 cases being only .035 smaller work very easily.
Short-action receiver is not your friend if you want to get the most out of a .284 case. A 7mm rem or .30-338 would also be a great option if you are seeking 1000yd plus performance and long barrel life.
Hard to understand why you would want to go Short Action with a .284 case anyways...
Use long action, or at least a Win 70 short action with all the bolt travel opened up... Gives you much more bullet seating room. Be able to use all that ".30-06 power in short case" that the .284 is supposed to deliver.
The .284win case does not have too much taper.
Might think about this: The Sako TRG 42 .300win magazine will feed .284win or 6.5x55 cases. You'd get 8 or 9 rounds capacity. Mags are more expensive, but... Do you also shoot a magnum longrange ctg? The Sako M995 action will interchange bolts. Beretta USA sells a .473" bolt for the TRG-S that fits the TRG-42. The 22 action is shorter, so no factory bolt interchange there. Just mentioning this because, the TRG-42 is the best rifle system going for the switchbarrel shooter. You can buy it in Lapua Magnum and then get factory interchangeable bolts for the regular magnum and standard .30-06 ctgs. A bit more trouble to modify the .300win magazines for .30-06 body cases that are .07" smaller diameter, but .284 or 6.5x55 cases being only .035 smaller work very easily.
Short-action receiver is not your friend if you want to get the most out of a .284 case. A 7mm rem or .30-338 would also be a great option if you are seeking 1000yd plus performance and long barrel life.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Not looking to get the most out of a 284 case, I'm looking for the 3 or 4 extra grains of powder I can fit into a 284 case @ 2.95 COAL vs a 7-08 case of the same length. I already have a short action setup to feed from AI-AW magazines and so if I could make that work then I'd run with it, otherwise I'll push a 7-08 a 100fps slower.
Not looking to get the most out of a 284 case, I'm looking for the 3 or 4 extra grains of powder I can fit into a 284 case @ 2.95 COAL vs a 7-08 case of the same length. I already have a short action setup to feed from AI-AW magazines and so if I could make that work then I'd run with it, otherwise I'll push a 7-08 a 100fps slower.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
What action are you using? Can you run the AI mags instead of the AW? I ran a couple hundred rounds through my AI mag in a short action with factory .284 rounds and didn't have any problems with the feeding at all. Might be something to think about, you don't lose too much COAL, but you do lose 5 rounds capacity...
DD
What action are you using? Can you run the AI mags instead of the AW? I ran a couple hundred rounds through my AI mag in a short action with factory .284 rounds and didn't have any problems with the feeding at all. Might be something to think about, you don't lose too much COAL, but you do lose 5 rounds capacity...
DD
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Don't know why it couldn't be made to work. Give me a call as I see you're just up the road.
Don't know why it couldn't be made to work. Give me a call as I see you're just up the road.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
This is a surgeon RSR that was milled out by APA to accept the AW mags. The AICS mags don't really fit properly any more and I'm not really interested in going back. I may end up just buying a box of 284 and trying it out, but if someone had firsthand experience with such a beast I was hoping to avoid spinning my wheels unnecessarily.
This is a surgeon RSR that was milled out by APA to accept the AW mags. The AICS mags don't really fit properly any more and I'm not really interested in going back. I may end up just buying a box of 284 and trying it out, but if someone had firsthand experience with such a beast I was hoping to avoid spinning my wheels unnecessarily.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Depending on your timeframe, I could attempt to give an evaluation on the .284 feeding from the AW magazines, but am currently waiting for my Defiance action with Guardian mag well to show up.
Depending on your timeframe, I could attempt to give an evaluation on the .284 feeding from the AW magazines, but am currently waiting for my Defiance action with Guardian mag well to show up.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
I'm in no particular hurry, I've still got at least 1500rds left on the 260 barrel. But since I'm also the impatient sort I might just suck it up an invest in a bag of brass and a Lee seater before too long, just to see for myself.
I'm in no particular hurry, I've still got at least 1500rds left on the 260 barrel. But since I'm also the impatient sort I might just suck it up an invest in a bag of brass and a Lee seater before too long, just to see for myself.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
wish i could help you but i traded mine a few months back. funny thing is i am currently building a 7mm-08 to run in aw mags out of a skunkworks actions/defiance. i figured they would be really close in speed since you can seat out the bullets farther in aw mags for the 7mm-08. mind you i am only going to fun a 24" barrel max.
i guess sometimes great minds think alike.
wish i could help you but i traded mine a few months back. funny thing is i am currently building a 7mm-08 to run in aw mags out of a skunkworks actions/defiance. i figured they would be really close in speed since you can seat out the bullets farther in aw mags for the 7mm-08. mind you i am only going to fun a 24" barrel max.
i guess sometimes great minds think alike.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
According to what I've figured in quickload and correlated to anecdotal evidence from other's testimony, the 7-08 should have about 51gr of useable case capacity and the 284 should be about 56 when both are loaded to 2.95 COAL using 162 AMAXs. This extra capacity seems to work out to about 100fps additional MV with a 22" barrel (2800 vs 2700) and H4350.
Let me know what you think of that skunkworks action. It certainly look appealing on paper. If that had been available a couple years ago I definitely would have gone that route rather than having Jered cut up this surgeon (not that the surgeon doesn't feed 308 based cases perfectly.)
You have any problems getting your hands on brass? Most of the normal places I look (PV, Natchez, Midway) are all out of stock on it. It generally something I only have to worry about every 18 months or so, but I'd hate to get stuck with something that's hella difficult to get brass for (or have to neck up 6.5-284 brass)
According to what I've figured in quickload and correlated to anecdotal evidence from other's testimony, the 7-08 should have about 51gr of useable case capacity and the 284 should be about 56 when both are loaded to 2.95 COAL using 162 AMAXs. This extra capacity seems to work out to about 100fps additional MV with a 22" barrel (2800 vs 2700) and H4350.
Let me know what you think of that skunkworks action. It certainly look appealing on paper. If that had been available a couple years ago I definitely would have gone that route rather than having Jered cut up this surgeon (not that the surgeon doesn't feed 308 based cases perfectly.)
You have any problems getting your hands on brass? Most of the normal places I look (PV, Natchez, Midway) are all out of stock on it. It generally something I only have to worry about every 18 months or so, but I'd hate to get stuck with something that's hella difficult to get brass for (or have to neck up 6.5-284 brass)
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
necking up 6.5-284 brass from Lapua is the way to go in my opinion. Winchester is good stuff, but Lapua is relatively easy to source, and the life of the cases pays for the difference in the long haul.
Just my $.02
necking up 6.5-284 brass from Lapua is the way to go in my opinion. Winchester is good stuff, but Lapua is relatively easy to source, and the life of the cases pays for the difference in the long haul.
Just my $.02
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
waiting on my apa 284 as well-gonna be on a LA genesis-win brass hard to come by for sure-been looking while I'm waiting-rarely cabellas will have some pop up when all others are out-jered echoes debosdave-he told me lapua, lapua, lapua....
waiting on my apa 284 as well-gonna be on a LA genesis-win brass hard to come by for sure-been looking while I'm waiting-rarely cabellas will have some pop up when all others are out-jered echoes debosdave-he told me lapua, lapua, lapua....
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
we have a huge local gun shop that has a crazy amount of brass for virtually any cartridge so i didnt have to worry about it.
I am planning on running R17 since it was magic in the 284 i am hopeful it will do the same in the 7mm-08. if i can run even 2750fps with 162 amax i will stoked as long it is consistent and accurate. only time will tell, i am going to start necking down some 308 lapua brass this week just to get ready for the new treat.
we have a huge local gun shop that has a crazy amount of brass for virtually any cartridge so i didnt have to worry about it.
I am planning on running R17 since it was magic in the 284 i am hopeful it will do the same in the 7mm-08. if i can run even 2750fps with 162 amax i will stoked as long it is consistent and accurate. only time will tell, i am going to start necking down some 308 lapua brass this week just to get ready for the new treat.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Place a .308 cartridge next to a .284. Compare the location of the shoulders. Next- Take a look at the AW magazines and note the location of the "ribs" that run from top to bottom. The ribs seem to coincide with the location of the .308 shoulder and assist in locating the round within the magazine. Slide a couple rounds of .308 (or in your case .260) into the AW magazine. Note the location of the shoulder when compared to the ribs. Now slide a couple .284 rounds into the magazine and see if the rib and shoulder locations work together to locate the round, or if the rib and shoulder do not line up, pushing the round sideways.
This was one of the problems we found when trying to set up an AW to shoot .243 AI. We kinda solved the problem by machining out one of the ribs--but scraped the idea anway as the .243 AI did not feed worth a damn.
Place a .308 cartridge next to a .284. Compare the location of the shoulders. Next- Take a look at the AW magazines and note the location of the "ribs" that run from top to bottom. The ribs seem to coincide with the location of the .308 shoulder and assist in locating the round within the magazine. Slide a couple rounds of .308 (or in your case .260) into the AW magazine. Note the location of the shoulder when compared to the ribs. Now slide a couple .284 rounds into the magazine and see if the rib and shoulder locations work together to locate the round, or if the rib and shoulder do not line up, pushing the round sideways.
This was one of the problems we found when trying to set up an AW to shoot .243 AI. We kinda solved the problem by machining out one of the ribs--but scraped the idea anway as the .243 AI did not feed worth a damn.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
I see what you mean. It does look like any AW mag setup to feed 284's is going to need those ribs removed. cav1993 has offered to send me a few culls from his brass hoard, I'm gonna play with it and see if it's got a chance in hell of working.
I see what you mean. It does look like any AW mag setup to feed 284's is going to need those ribs removed. cav1993 has offered to send me a few culls from his brass hoard, I'm gonna play with it and see if it's got a chance in hell of working.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
I think I may just suck it up and order a couple of Alpha mags and see how well they work with the 284. I hate not being able to top-load, but thems the breaks.
I think I may just suck it up and order a couple of Alpha mags and see how well they work with the 284. I hate not being able to top-load, but thems the breaks.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyreloader</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek095.html </div></div>
One solution, but may not work the same when the AW mag is used.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyreloader</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek095.html </div></div>
One solution, but may not work the same when the AW mag is used.
Re: 284 Win w/ AIAW mag
Got the cases from cav1993 and mocked up 5 dummy rounds using 6.5 140 amax's wrapped in tape. It's true that the support ribs on the AW cause them to push in a little bit but it didn't seem to have a negative impact on anything. The rounds fed just fine (at least until they started complaining about the fact I wasn't feeding them into a 284 chamber.) For a production gun I would probably give the back of the feed lips just a little tweak to let the case sit up a fraction higher, but I'm not even certain it would need that. At this point I'm confident that if I built a gun and had any problems simply tossing the mags on the mill and removing the little ribs would solve it. Might not even need to remove more than the top 1cm or so of the rib, though I'd need to find a nice way to make the transition a gentle taper rather than a 90* shoulder at that point. I'm guessing I could probably fit 9 rounds in there pretty easily.
Gonna order some 162's now and dies to investigate further, but that probably won't be until after hunting season.
Got the cases from cav1993 and mocked up 5 dummy rounds using 6.5 140 amax's wrapped in tape. It's true that the support ribs on the AW cause them to push in a little bit but it didn't seem to have a negative impact on anything. The rounds fed just fine (at least until they started complaining about the fact I wasn't feeding them into a 284 chamber.) For a production gun I would probably give the back of the feed lips just a little tweak to let the case sit up a fraction higher, but I'm not even certain it would need that. At this point I'm confident that if I built a gun and had any problems simply tossing the mags on the mill and removing the little ribs would solve it. Might not even need to remove more than the top 1cm or so of the rib, though I'd need to find a nice way to make the transition a gentle taper rather than a 90* shoulder at that point. I'm guessing I could probably fit 9 rounds in there pretty easily.
Gonna order some 162's now and dies to investigate further, but that probably won't be until after hunting season.
When it comes to the 284 she shines in the LA set up. Even if it would run it would be crippled and you would be better off with the 7-08 b/c it will shine in the AW set up. I looked at the AW's as well thinking it was the ticket but it isn't. I never got past the bullet depth issue.
Concerning the brass issue don't waste your time with anything but Lapua or Norma brass for the 284. If you just want to hit stuff who cares but at the price this stuff cost who doesn't want the best they can get. If you are going to run the 284 prepare for brass prep or go another route. If you want the 7-08 neck down 308 Lapua and turn it. Don't go the other way with 260 brass. The dreaded donut will piss you off quickly when you have to cut that out. Or you could buy the ever outrageous Nosler brass.
Concerning the brass issue don't waste your time with anything but Lapua or Norma brass for the 284. If you just want to hit stuff who cares but at the price this stuff cost who doesn't want the best they can get. If you are going to run the 284 prepare for brass prep or go another route. If you want the 7-08 neck down 308 Lapua and turn it. Don't go the other way with 260 brass. The dreaded donut will piss you off quickly when you have to cut that out. Or you could buy the ever outrageous Nosler brass.
Jered, what velocity difference do you see between running 162's in a SA and LA in a 26"ish barrel? This started out so easy, just another .260 SA barreled action; it's rapidly becoming a .284 LA. Or 7mm SAUM/WSM...
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With 162's and a 26" tube if I remember correctly it 2750 -2800. A 7-08 can do that. In a LA set up with a little more powder normally 2850-2900. Some have gone over 2900 and done it well. I have no idea what potential speed was out there with different powders. There was no reason to experiment with what we had. SC for 162's and H4350 for the 150 TTSX
