anyone have experience with it?
ive heard claims that velocity, energy and trasjectory are on par with or better than 300wm
ive heard claims that velocity, energy and trasjectory are on par with or better than 300wm
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Range Report 30-06AI
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Re: 30-06AI
You close the gap on the 300WM, but you won't be able to out run it with a 30-06 AI. The 300 holds more powder, which gives it faster speeds.
You close the gap on the 300WM, but you won't be able to out run it with a 30-06 AI. The 300 holds more powder, which gives it faster speeds.
Re: 30-06AI
no shit on that 6.5-o6 they are too sick
thanks was just curious is it was bs or not from ballistic tables looks like a lazer for a .30 cal
no shit on that 6.5-o6 they are too sick
thanks was just curious is it was bs or not from ballistic tables looks like a lazer for a .30 cal
Re: 30-06AI
Yeah, the 30-06 is an awesome round. The AI will give it another 50-75 fps, maybe 100. Which helps improve your down range energy.
The 6.5-06 would be smokin' for targets or long range deer hunting. But the 30 cal has much better bullets for bigger animals.
Yeah, the 30-06 is an awesome round. The AI will give it another 50-75 fps, maybe 100. Which helps improve your down range energy.
The 6.5-06 would be smokin' for targets or long range deer hunting. But the 30 cal has much better bullets for bigger animals.
Re: 30-06AI
I built my 30-06AI on a Rem 700 LA using a 26" Lilja 3 groove, 1:11 SS barrel that is only .552" at the muzzle; basically a toothpick. It shoots .6 MOA out to 800 yds. Their is a guy who goes by the call sign "Ackley Improved Shooter" over on Accuratereloading.com. He's extremly knowledgable about AI's. He passed along quite of bit of data to me which helped me develop my favorite load of Rel 25, heavily compressed, pushing the Nosler 180 BT/AB in Win cases and Fed 210M primers to 3200 fps but my most accurate hits 3000 fps.
I built my 30-06AI on a Rem 700 LA using a 26" Lilja 3 groove, 1:11 SS barrel that is only .552" at the muzzle; basically a toothpick. It shoots .6 MOA out to 800 yds. Their is a guy who goes by the call sign "Ackley Improved Shooter" over on Accuratereloading.com. He's extremly knowledgable about AI's. He passed along quite of bit of data to me which helped me develop my favorite load of Rel 25, heavily compressed, pushing the Nosler 180 BT/AB in Win cases and Fed 210M primers to 3200 fps but my most accurate hits 3000 fps.
Re: 30-06AI
What about barrel life?? You have to like the AI since it is will shoot standard 30-06 ammo which is widely available.
What about barrel life?? You have to like the AI since it is will shoot standard 30-06 ammo which is widely available.
Re: 30-06AI
Gawd, a 142 SMK in a 6.5x06 - Whew...
My buddy has a 6.5x something - think it may be an 06 - he said about 750 rds barrel life but flattest shooting round I've ever seen!!! (I was previously thinking it was 6.5x308 - not so)..
750rds tho...?
Gawd, a 142 SMK in a 6.5x06 - Whew...
My buddy has a 6.5x something - think it may be an 06 - he said about 750 rds barrel life but flattest shooting round I've ever seen!!! (I was previously thinking it was 6.5x308 - not so)..
750rds tho...?
Re: 30-06AI
6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties.
6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties.
Re: 30-06AI
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties.</div></div>
6.5-'06 has about the same capacity as the 6.5-.284. That was the whole deal with the .284 in the first place. It had the same capacity as an
'06 case, but could fit in a short action.
Edit:
To answer the question it will outdo a standard 30-06 quite handily. It will not outdo any of the .300 Magnums as it is short of capacity to do so. But given any decent load in the right rifle (some bonehead once thought this would be great in a 20" barrel) it will always outdo a 30-06 in any bullet weight.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties.</div></div>
6.5-'06 has about the same capacity as the 6.5-.284. That was the whole deal with the .284 in the first place. It had the same capacity as an
'06 case, but could fit in a short action.
Edit:
To answer the question it will outdo a standard 30-06 quite handily. It will not outdo any of the .300 Magnums as it is short of capacity to do so. But given any decent load in the right rifle (some bonehead once thought this would be great in a 20" barrel) it will always outdo a 30-06 in any bullet weight.
Re: 30-06AI
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308sako</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The .280 Ackley is one I will probably replace it with! </div></div>
Much to that and I do love the 30-06. In comparison the 7mm is where mass and velocity meet. After reading Brian Lentz's (sp) articles in Precision Shooting regarding Scaling, this opinion/observation that I was given to me on the long line at Perry by an individual with the last name of "Tompkins" seems more and more like nirvana.
Cheers,
Doc
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308sako</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The .280 Ackley is one I will probably replace it with! </div></div>
Much to that and I do love the 30-06. In comparison the 7mm is where mass and velocity meet. After reading Brian Lentz's (sp) articles in Precision Shooting regarding Scaling, this opinion/observation that I was given to me on the long line at Perry by an individual with the last name of "Tompkins" seems more and more like nirvana.
Cheers,
Doc
Re: 30-06AI
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gawd, a 142 SMK in a 6.5x06 - Whew...
My buddy has a 6.5x something - think it may be an 06 - he said about 750 rds barrel life but flattest shooting round I've ever seen!!! (I was previously thinking it was 6.5x308 - not so)..
750rds tho...? </div></div>
I had a 6.5-06 I like the fact that I could load 5 rounds in the magazine compared to 3 with the 6.5-283. Pulled the barrel at 1600 rounds. It was shooting about 1 1/4 groups, still plenty good for hunting bet marginal for long range shooting.
The barrel may have lasted longer, as I was never happy with the chamber area the gunsmith cut. If I knew then what I know now I would have sent it to one of the gunsmiths here to do the rebarrel.
But compared to something like 308 or 30-06 any of the hot-rod cartridges are not going to get the same barrel life. You just have to ask how competitive you want to be with your rig. In field matches the flatness of the 6.5-06 or 6.5-284 allow for more ranging error than a 308 or 30-06, and still hit the plate. YMMV
Good luck
Jerry
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gawd, a 142 SMK in a 6.5x06 - Whew...
My buddy has a 6.5x something - think it may be an 06 - he said about 750 rds barrel life but flattest shooting round I've ever seen!!! (I was previously thinking it was 6.5x308 - not so)..
750rds tho...? </div></div>
I had a 6.5-06 I like the fact that I could load 5 rounds in the magazine compared to 3 with the 6.5-283. Pulled the barrel at 1600 rounds. It was shooting about 1 1/4 groups, still plenty good for hunting bet marginal for long range shooting.
The barrel may have lasted longer, as I was never happy with the chamber area the gunsmith cut. If I knew then what I know now I would have sent it to one of the gunsmiths here to do the rebarrel.
But compared to something like 308 or 30-06 any of the hot-rod cartridges are not going to get the same barrel life. You just have to ask how competitive you want to be with your rig. In field matches the flatness of the 6.5-06 or 6.5-284 allow for more ranging error than a 308 or 30-06, and still hit the plate. YMMV
Good luck
Jerry
Re: 30-06AI
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308sako</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties. </div></div>
I pulled my 6.5/284 after 1500 rounds and it was a gravel pit halfway down the bore in the bore scope. Looked like a dry mud hole all cracked and missing lumps and chunks off the lands! It was however very fun while it lasted.</div></div>
Question for you then. Did you shoot it hot a lot? As in like 20 shot competition strings. Or, did you allow the barrel to cool a bit between strings. Also, what were your loads like Max? or backed off 100 or so?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308sako</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6.5-06 should have about the same bbl life as thr 6.5-284.
I though the 6.5-284 was supposedly good for 1000-1200 rounds in 1K BR, so probably 2-3 K rounds for normal duties. </div></div>
I pulled my 6.5/284 after 1500 rounds and it was a gravel pit halfway down the bore in the bore scope. Looked like a dry mud hole all cracked and missing lumps and chunks off the lands! It was however very fun while it lasted.</div></div>
Question for you then. Did you shoot it hot a lot? As in like 20 shot competition strings. Or, did you allow the barrel to cool a bit between strings. Also, what were your loads like Max? or backed off 100 or so?
Re: 30-06AI
That's pretty much what I've seen across the board for that round. Serious burnout when loaded to the hilt. I do know some guys who have found accuracy nodes in the 2850-2900 area and are currently in the 2000+ rounds. That reduction in pressure is huge. Like many say though why have a race car if you're not going to run it fast.
My opinion is having less pressure in the case eases erosion more than having less powder. Most guys I know who have stepped down from the 6.5-284 to .260 or 6.5C/6.5x47 only get a few hundred rounds more when loading hot. That's way less than guys who've backed off pressures. But you still have to find where that barrel is going to shoot. If you have to go to the very top to get accuracy then that's what you've got to do.
That's pretty much what I've seen across the board for that round. Serious burnout when loaded to the hilt. I do know some guys who have found accuracy nodes in the 2850-2900 area and are currently in the 2000+ rounds. That reduction in pressure is huge. Like many say though why have a race car if you're not going to run it fast.
My opinion is having less pressure in the case eases erosion more than having less powder. Most guys I know who have stepped down from the 6.5-284 to .260 or 6.5C/6.5x47 only get a few hundred rounds more when loading hot. That's way less than guys who've backed off pressures. But you still have to find where that barrel is going to shoot. If you have to go to the very top to get accuracy then that's what you've got to do.
