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.308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

Quickload doesn't differentiate between 308 brass. The default is 56.0gr water to overflow.

best thing to do is simply measure the water capacity to overflow of each type and see what they are.
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

I don't necessarily believe the numbers that quickload puts out. I do have experimental data for all sorts of manufacturers *except* Hornady though. All of the following numbers are average water volumes (weights) of 10 cases/lot, filled to *flat* meniscus, on top of a spent primer.

(everything weighed down to 2/100ths of a grain on an acculab VIC-123)

Lapua: 55.61 grains
Winchester: 57.70 grains
Lake City: 54.77 grains
Federal: 54.98 grains

 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't necessarily believe the numbers that quickload puts out. I do have experimental data for all sorts of manufacturers *except* Hornady though. All of the following numbers are average water volumes (weights) of 10 cases/lot, filled to *flat* meniscus, on top of a spent primer.

(everything weighed down to 2/100ths of a grain on an acculab VIC-123)

Lapua: 55.61 grains
Winchester: 57.70 grains
Lake City: 54.77 grains
Federal: 54.98 grains

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This is for fireformed brass, right? Cuz a new Win case holds 56 grains ow water as measured with a convex meniscus.
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 918v</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is for fireformed brass, right? Cuz a new Win case holds 56 grains ow water as measured with a convex meniscus. </div></div>

Yes, this is for fireformed brass. Unfortunately, case water volume determination is *ridiculously* technique sensitive. It is difficult to compare absolute volume numbers from one reloader to the next. If I was asking another reloader about case volume for a case that I hadn't measured, it would be more useful to ask them about the differences between "brand-x" and a particular brand we both had in common. The reason I weigh with a flat meniscus is that due to surface tension, an "overflow" convex meniscus can contain slightly more or slightly less water. Not much, but definitely measurable.

My technique is probably more "tweaky" than most would be interested in (my major in college was biochemistry). Basically I set all 10 of the cases I'm measuring in a reloading block and use a pipette to get the liquid levels all slightly convex. At this point, I get a shred of paper towel and literally "wick" the excess H2O off until the mouth of the case is a perfect undistorted mirror. This takes longer than most techniques, but I have 100% confidence in the numbers. As before, they are really only useful for comparing relative volumes.

As an added double-check, I also calculate the standard deviation of the water volumes for a given sample of cases. If the sD is overly large, I will go back and redo the measurements as the discrepancy is either my technique, or a mediocre batch of brass. For the batch of Lapua in the previous post, the sD for water weight was .093 grains.

Darrell
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

Anyone done this with 30-06 cases? I'm primarily using Federal now but may switch later on to Lapua or Norma or Lake City as they are said to last longer.

I also have a bunch of Remington once fired if anyone is interested.
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biglou13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">? re technique

does the program specify flat or convex meniscus?

Don't know, I don't use the program.


have you checked SD for convex?

No... but that *would* be interesting... so much data to acquire, so little time
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whats the volume difference with convex v. flat?


never measured it, "the ammo farmer"'s numbers sound reasonable though.
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With kalifornia's new ammo laws, that may be the *only* way to get replacement ammo
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Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

im going to weigh water today

but may use ammo farmer 's data for some loading data

im going to go on assumtion that quickload uses over flow covex miniscus

but i will weigh flat and convex and share data

one reason im really enjoying being in fla (i want a can, and concealed carry)
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

QuickLoad specifies "overflow", which means a domed-up state caused by water's surface tension. I go to no more than .05 inch high at the center, though I think of it as more like 1.5mm.

It *also* specifies FIRED cases. Using case capacity as measured from sized cases means your projections will be higher-pressure than real life...unless your chamber is THAT tight. If so, why resize at all?
 
Re: .308 case capacity lapua, hornaday

Fired cases have a capacity ranging from 55 to 58 grains. I think they use 56 as a default because it approximates the average capacity of fired/ FL sized brass which is higher than virgin capacity by about 1-2 grains.