Can someone tell me exactly what a 338 edge is? I'm a little confused. And how does it do in long range shooting?
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Re: 338 edge?
Similar in function to the 338 lapua.
Brass will cost you less to reload. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you just neck up 300 RUM cases.
here is a bit of a comparison.
http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/01/the-338s-rum-lapua-and-edge/
Similar in function to the 338 lapua.
Brass will cost you less to reload. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you just neck up 300 RUM cases.
here is a bit of a comparison.
http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/01/the-338s-rum-lapua-and-edge/
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 331V8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Similar in function to the 338 lapua.
Brass will cost you less to reload. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you just neck up 300 RUM cases.
here is a bit of a comparison.
http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/01/the-338s-rum-lapua-and-edge/ </div></div>
Yep I think you are correct. A fellow shooter at the range I go to shoots one and loves it. His velocities was slighty lower than a .338 Lapua but not by much.(Not sure why because he was using 91.5 grns RL-25 and I was using 89 both around the same velocity.) Also the COAL was longer on the .338 Edge than the .338 Lapua. Maybe it was the softer remington brass of the .338 edge.
For a .338 option on a budget the edge would be the way to go. as .338 lapua brass is $2.50 a rd compared to .300rum at $1.09 a rd.
Also note that I am not sure if the edge can be made to be mag fit length either.
I personally pick calibers that Lapua specifically makes brass for so I am sticking to the .338 Lapua.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 331V8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Similar in function to the 338 lapua.
Brass will cost you less to reload. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you just neck up 300 RUM cases.
here is a bit of a comparison.
http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/01/the-338s-rum-lapua-and-edge/ </div></div>
Yep I think you are correct. A fellow shooter at the range I go to shoots one and loves it. His velocities was slighty lower than a .338 Lapua but not by much.(Not sure why because he was using 91.5 grns RL-25 and I was using 89 both around the same velocity.) Also the COAL was longer on the .338 Edge than the .338 Lapua. Maybe it was the softer remington brass of the .338 edge.
For a .338 option on a budget the edge would be the way to go. as .338 lapua brass is $2.50 a rd compared to .300rum at $1.09 a rd.
Also note that I am not sure if the edge can be made to be mag fit length either.
I personally pick calibers that Lapua specifically makes brass for so I am sticking to the .338 Lapua.
Re: 338 edge?
Thanks for the info guys! I am pretty excited to hear that. The reason I am asking is because I have wanted a 338 lapua for a while now but I know that I couldn't enjoy it because I would never have the money for ammo lol.
Thanks for the info guys! I am pretty excited to hear that. The reason I am asking is because I have wanted a 338 lapua for a while now but I know that I couldn't enjoy it because I would never have the money for ammo lol.
Re: 338 edge?
The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price.
The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price.
Re: 338 edge?
Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.
Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.
Re: 338 edge?
shot a 338 edge this weekend with two other friends, we only managed 36 shots all together as we spent most of the day shooting with our 260 first, the edge just about destroyed our targets at 560 and 898 yds so we went home.
you can build an edge on a 300 win mag action without modifying the bolt face and feed them from an AI 300 win mag magazine.
hope this helps.
shot a 338 edge this weekend with two other friends, we only managed 36 shots all together as we spent most of the day shooting with our 260 first, the edge just about destroyed our targets at 560 and 898 yds so we went home.
you can build an edge on a 300 win mag action without modifying the bolt face and feed them from an AI 300 win mag magazine.
hope this helps.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you feed it on the AI mags without cutting a slit out of the side of the mag. I use a 300 Rum right now but have to have a cut made on both sides of the mag for the cartridge shoulder. </div></div>
No, the AICS mags will have to be modified. I had a Hide member do mine and he did an outstanding job.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you feed it on the AI mags without cutting a slit out of the side of the mag. I use a 300 Rum right now but have to have a cut made on both sides of the mag for the cartridge shoulder. </div></div>
No, the AICS mags will have to be modified. I had a Hide member do mine and he did an outstanding job.
Re: 338 edge?
Good deal. Would the easiest way to get into it be to buy a 300 RUM or WM and slap on a 338 barrel? Or do I have to start out with the RUM
Good deal. Would the easiest way to get into it be to buy a 300 RUM or WM and slap on a 338 barrel? Or do I have to start out with the RUM
Re: 338 edge?
I had a .300WM Remington Sendero that I turned into a 338Edge. I had Shawn Carlock do the work for me and he did an excellent job. The 338 Edge if loaded to capacity will usually get an average of 150 fps faster than the Lapua. There's a guy in our club that shoots our 1 mile shoots with us, who was using a Lapua and rechambered to a Lapua Ackley Improved, just so he could get the velocity that we are getting with our 338 Edge's. (There are about 8 of us that are shooting Edge's at our "1 mile shoots" in our club, one who shoots the 338 Lapua Ack Imp., a couple who shoot .50BMG's, and a .408 Cheytac)
As stated before, if you anneal your cases, you'll get longer life out of them. Nosler is also making brass for 300 RUM, which is a little better than the Remington brass. For me, I haven't had much issue with the Remington brass and have gotten multiple firing out of it. I shoot Lapua brass for .308 and know that it is great brass, but for the 338, I just don't feel like I'm missing anything by not shooting the Lapua.
I've shot my 338 Edge to 2200 yards and have bested 338 Lapuas, 408 Cheytacs, and .50 BMGs. I've knocked over steel silhoutte targets at over 600 yards with the 338 Edge and destroyed some MGM targets with it at 500 yards and under. It's a very powerfull round!
Shawn Carlock has actually come out with a 338 Edge +P, which is sending a 300 grain Berger bullet at over 3100 fps. Only downside is it is a single shot. But, truthfully, when I'm shooting 1500 yards or more, I'm usually single loading anyway.
There is no fire forming the cases either. Just run the brass through the sizing die, prime, and load, then go shoot.
I see no downsides to the 338 Edge at all. Some have said that you can't buy ammo "off the shelf" and that's why they go with the Lapua. I'd rather load my own than pay $100 for 20 rounds of Lapua any day, and just make sure I always have a surplus.
I don't think you will be disappointed with the 338 Edge at all.
I had a .300WM Remington Sendero that I turned into a 338Edge. I had Shawn Carlock do the work for me and he did an excellent job. The 338 Edge if loaded to capacity will usually get an average of 150 fps faster than the Lapua. There's a guy in our club that shoots our 1 mile shoots with us, who was using a Lapua and rechambered to a Lapua Ackley Improved, just so he could get the velocity that we are getting with our 338 Edge's. (There are about 8 of us that are shooting Edge's at our "1 mile shoots" in our club, one who shoots the 338 Lapua Ack Imp., a couple who shoot .50BMG's, and a .408 Cheytac)
As stated before, if you anneal your cases, you'll get longer life out of them. Nosler is also making brass for 300 RUM, which is a little better than the Remington brass. For me, I haven't had much issue with the Remington brass and have gotten multiple firing out of it. I shoot Lapua brass for .308 and know that it is great brass, but for the 338, I just don't feel like I'm missing anything by not shooting the Lapua.
I've shot my 338 Edge to 2200 yards and have bested 338 Lapuas, 408 Cheytacs, and .50 BMGs. I've knocked over steel silhoutte targets at over 600 yards with the 338 Edge and destroyed some MGM targets with it at 500 yards and under. It's a very powerfull round!
Shawn Carlock has actually come out with a 338 Edge +P, which is sending a 300 grain Berger bullet at over 3100 fps. Only downside is it is a single shot. But, truthfully, when I'm shooting 1500 yards or more, I'm usually single loading anyway.
There is no fire forming the cases either. Just run the brass through the sizing die, prime, and load, then go shoot.
I see no downsides to the 338 Edge at all. Some have said that you can't buy ammo "off the shelf" and that's why they go with the Lapua. I'd rather load my own than pay $100 for 20 rounds of Lapua any day, and just make sure I always have a surplus.
I don't think you will be disappointed with the 338 Edge at all.
Re: 338 edge?
steelhead summed it up right on the nose, 338 edge are awesome, I will be building one out of a remy 700 in 300 win mag. I already have the Mcmillan A5 stock, just need a barrel.
Can't wait.
steelhead summed it up right on the nose, 338 edge are awesome, I will be building one out of a remy 700 in 300 win mag. I already have the Mcmillan A5 stock, just need a barrel.
Can't wait.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price. </div></div>
^^^^ This. Edge dies as far as I know are about $250 vs as cheap as $40-50 for Lapua dies. Then you will spend more in brass with the Edge vs Lapua. Even if anneal, you won't get near the life of the Lapua. Also Remington brass is junky and the nosler used in the Edge isn't much better. I would say that half of the Remington brass you use wil be hashed after 2 or 3 shots regardless if you anneal. The primer pockets will give out before everything else so then you have to buy more brass which in the end is going to cost ya.
Overall the price to shoot either in the end is not much different. The only thing that makes the Edge cheaper is that you don't have to get a .338 action. My 2 cents.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price. </div></div>
^^^^ This. Edge dies as far as I know are about $250 vs as cheap as $40-50 for Lapua dies. Then you will spend more in brass with the Edge vs Lapua. Even if anneal, you won't get near the life of the Lapua. Also Remington brass is junky and the nosler used in the Edge isn't much better. I would say that half of the Remington brass you use wil be hashed after 2 or 3 shots regardless if you anneal. The primer pockets will give out before everything else so then you have to buy more brass which in the end is going to cost ya.
Overall the price to shoot either in the end is not much different. The only thing that makes the Edge cheaper is that you don't have to get a .338 action. My 2 cents.
Re: 338 edge?
The edge outperforms the Lapua any day of the week. 300gr smk's at 2950 out of a 27.5" barrel with h-1000. I run mine out of a Whatt's mag and bottom metal and they work from mag length. It is tough to get a Lapua to 2850 with a 300smk. So what does another 100fps get you?
The edge outperforms the Lapua any day of the week. 300gr smk's at 2950 out of a 27.5" barrel with h-1000. I run mine out of a Whatt's mag and bottom metal and they work from mag length. It is tough to get a Lapua to 2850 with a 300smk. So what does another 100fps get you?
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Varmint Slayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price. </div></div>
^^^^ This. Edge dies as far as I know are about $250 vs as cheap as $40-50 for Lapua dies. Then you will spend more in brass with the Edge vs Lapua. Even if anneal, you won't get near the life of the Lapua. Also Remington brass is junky and the nosler used in the Edge isn't much better. I would say that half of the Remington brass you use wil be hashed after 2 or 3 shots regardless if you anneal. The primer pockets will give out before everything else so then you have to buy more brass which in the end is going to cost ya.
Overall the price to shoot either in the end is not much different. The only thing that makes the Edge cheaper is that you don't have to get a .338 action. My 2 cents. </div></div>
I've never had an issue with loose primer pockets and I'm up to 5 firings on some of my Remington brass. I push a 300gr. Berger at 2950 fps.
The $250 dies are for the fancy bushing dies. If you want stock dies, $150 is more in line. The Lapua dies are going to be the same price.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Varmint Slayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Edge is cheaper because of the cheap brass. But in the long run, the Lapua brass will last longer so you get more shots out of the Lapua brass which evens out the price. </div></div>
^^^^ This. Edge dies as far as I know are about $250 vs as cheap as $40-50 for Lapua dies. Then you will spend more in brass with the Edge vs Lapua. Even if anneal, you won't get near the life of the Lapua. Also Remington brass is junky and the nosler used in the Edge isn't much better. I would say that half of the Remington brass you use wil be hashed after 2 or 3 shots regardless if you anneal. The primer pockets will give out before everything else so then you have to buy more brass which in the end is going to cost ya.
Overall the price to shoot either in the end is not much different. The only thing that makes the Edge cheaper is that you don't have to get a .338 action. My 2 cents. </div></div>
I've never had an issue with loose primer pockets and I'm up to 5 firings on some of my Remington brass. I push a 300gr. Berger at 2950 fps.
The $250 dies are for the fancy bushing dies. If you want stock dies, $150 is more in line. The Lapua dies are going to be the same price.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limbic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about donuts? Do you not run into trouble when you neck up the 300RUM brass? </div></div>
Never had any "donut" issues.
I use Hornady lube on the brass, run it through the sizing die and then throw them into the vibrater to be cleaned. Once the lube is cleaned off, I prime, dump powder in, seat the bullet and go shoot. (I actually do a bit more than this for accuracy purposes, like check concentricity, but basically this is it)
When I first got my rifle, it came with a few targets showing .25" groups at 100 yards. I was able to do the same and just a bit better using the method above.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limbic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about donuts? Do you not run into trouble when you neck up the 300RUM brass? </div></div>
Never had any "donut" issues.
I use Hornady lube on the brass, run it through the sizing die and then throw them into the vibrater to be cleaned. Once the lube is cleaned off, I prime, dump powder in, seat the bullet and go shoot. (I actually do a bit more than this for accuracy purposes, like check concentricity, but basically this is it)
When I first got my rifle, it came with a few targets showing .25" groups at 100 yards. I was able to do the same and just a bit better using the method above.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Azprc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The edge outperforms the Lapua any day of the week. 300gr smk's at 2950 out of a 27.5" barrel with h-1000. I run mine out of a Whatt's mag and bottom metal and they work from mag length. It is tough to get a Lapua to 2850 with a 300smk. So what does another 100fps get you? </div></div>
It was enough to make one guy who shoots with us rechamber his barrel to 338 Lapua Ackley Improved!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Azprc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The edge outperforms the Lapua any day of the week. 300gr smk's at 2950 out of a 27.5" barrel with h-1000. I run mine out of a Whatt's mag and bottom metal and they work from mag length. It is tough to get a Lapua to 2850 with a 300smk. So what does another 100fps get you? </div></div>
It was enough to make one guy who shoots with us rechamber his barrel to 338 Lapua Ackley Improved!
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagepc.223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good deal. Would the easiest way to get into it be to buy a 300 RUM or WM and slap on a 338 barrel? Or do I have to start out with the RUM </div></div>
buy this one !! you'll be very glad you did !!!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...707#Post3602707
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagepc.223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good deal. Would the easiest way to get into it be to buy a 300 RUM or WM and slap on a 338 barrel? Or do I have to start out with the RUM </div></div>
buy this one !! you'll be very glad you did !!!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...707#Post3602707
Re: 338 edge?
some additional thoughts:
Brass prep is super easy, I have not run into a trace of a donut yet. Primarily have been using Nosler, but probably will continue forward with Remington as it is easier to get locally for me and has given me a bit better results.
I enjoy the performance I can get with my Edge...just shy of 16mils to a mile, can be done lots of other ways...but look at the wind drift and energy at distance in your favorite ballistics program- impressive off of a LA footprint.
dies: can use 338ultra dies backed off (+/-$40)and could even get a .375rum FL die if you really felt compelled to size the last bit of the base. One could pay $250 ish, but same could be said for .308 dies.
some additional thoughts:
Brass prep is super easy, I have not run into a trace of a donut yet. Primarily have been using Nosler, but probably will continue forward with Remington as it is easier to get locally for me and has given me a bit better results.
I enjoy the performance I can get with my Edge...just shy of 16mils to a mile, can be done lots of other ways...but look at the wind drift and energy at distance in your favorite ballistics program- impressive off of a LA footprint.
dies: can use 338ultra dies backed off (+/-$40)and could even get a .375rum FL die if you really felt compelled to size the last bit of the base. One could pay $250 ish, but same could be said for .308 dies.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.</div></div>
There is a guy on Gunbroker.com from canada that sells once fired 338 Lapua brass. I bought 200 for $320 and it has been excellent. Good brass is vital for long range consistency.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.</div></div>
There is a guy on Gunbroker.com from canada that sells once fired 338 Lapua brass. I bought 200 for $320 and it has been excellent. Good brass is vital for long range consistency.
Re: 338 edge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rifleman700</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.</div></div>
There is a guy on Gunbroker.com from canada that sells once fired 338 Lapua brass. I bought 200 for $320 and it has been excellent. Good brass is vital for long range consistency. </div></div>
Damn thats a good price, I have been paying $1.8-2 a case, I will have to snag some if it comes up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rifleman700</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not square one at all. You can anneal the rem cases and they will last you some time. You buy 100-150 cases at once which would be about 150 bucks. You can anneal them and get 7 or so shots with them, maybe more. That would be somewheres between 700 and 950 rounds. If you were trying to get into ultra long range on the cheaper side, this would be the way to do it. You could get more rounds out of the Lapua cases but they are 2.50/case. In the grand scheme of things though, paying 250 or so up front for the Lapua cases is gonna be some of the cheaper stuff when getting into the 338 game. Just the Rem Lapua 338 is 1500 or so. Good glass, bullets and the rest of the loading equip you need to get. That being said, I have a 300 rum that I love but when the barrel is burned out, it will be getting redone in 338 edge just because that is what I want instead of the Lapua.</div></div>
There is a guy on Gunbroker.com from canada that sells once fired 338 Lapua brass. I bought 200 for $320 and it has been excellent. Good brass is vital for long range consistency. </div></div>
Damn thats a good price, I have been paying $1.8-2 a case, I will have to snag some if it comes up.
Re: 338 edge?
I zm looking to build a .338 edge. After some research I found thatsome guys are using .338 ultra neck sizing dies, then using .300 ultra fl bushing dies with .338 bushings. Buy the dies seperatly and they are not that expensive.
I zm looking to build a .338 edge. After some research I found thatsome guys are using .338 ultra neck sizing dies, then using .300 ultra fl bushing dies with .338 bushings. Buy the dies seperatly and they are not that expensive.
