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.338 LM chamber questions

memilanuk

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  • Mar 23, 2002
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    Hello all,

    I'm sitting here looking at some fired cases and a chamber cast from a .338 LM that I'm playing with, and trying to figure out why the numbers don't add up.

    Fired neck outside diameter of .370 at the case mouth, and .373 at the neck/shoulder junction. Measured neck thickness averages out to 0.014 (measured with a Mitutoyo ball mic) so by my math, 0.370 - 2(0.014) = 0.342. Fired case neck ID measures 0.338?!? A bullet (.338 SMK) will not drop into the case mouth, but can be pushed through with mild finger pressure - so I tend to believe the ID measurement. It acts and feels about like if one were to try for 0.001 or less neck tension and soft seat the bullets - but this is *fired* brass.

    The chamber casting measures 0.3737-0.3739 right at the end of the chamber mouth, as best I can tell with a Starrett mic.

    What am I missing here? The casting seems to indicate the case should be expanding more than it is. The fired OD and thickness of the neck don't seem to agree with the measured ID. Either I suddenly forgot how to use a set of calipers and a micrometer, or something very odd is going on here.

    Brass is Hornady, from factory ammo fired in this gun. Counting the initial loading as 1x, this brass been fired 6x in this gun, and I've been scratching my head over the apparent disconnect in the measurements the entire time - i.e. it doesn't seem to be something related to the brass work hardening through sizing/firing repeatedly. Most recent firing was some fairly light loads, but I've also fired some pretty warm stuff down it to (both the original factory loading, and some during load development since). No appreciable difference there either.

    Any help would be very welcome.

    Monte
     
    Re: .338 LM chamber questions

    The brass is an elastic material. When something is deforms it has some initial "spring" to the material before it actually deforms permanently.

    What you're measuring falls well within the normal limits to which brass will "flex" to shape and then snap back.

    There are 2 pieces to deformation, elastic (snaps back with no permanent change after the load is removed) and plastic. Plastic is what we all see/think of when something bends, forms, or otherwise stays in the shape you just bent it to.
     
    Re: .338 LM chamber questions

    Hmmm... well, most of my experience is with .223 Rem / .308 Win, where generally speaking, the case necks expand to be a reasonable facsimile of the chamber neck, maybe minus 0.001 or so. And the fired necks always open up large enough to for a bullet to drop through. This is not following that trend, which bothers me immensely
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