35 FDA-Approved drug that were later recalled (because they were harmful or deadly)

[theLBC]

FDA-Approved Prescription Drugs Later Pulled from the Market by the FDA - Prescription Drug Ads - ProCon.org

According to the FDA, a “drug is removed from the market when its risks outweigh its benefits. A drug is usually taken off the market because of safety issues with the drug that cannot be corrected, such as when it is discovered that the drug can cause serious side effects that were not known at...

prescriptiondrugs.procon.org

just fyi

 

[Doc68]

Imagine that...

Doc

 

[clcustom1911]

Hell, Tequin 400 was a very effective and powerful broad spectrum fluoroquinilone antibiotic, and it was pulled in 2006 because it was causing blood sugar issues in people. Not mass cardiovascular disease like Vioxx, etc.

 

[missed]

Long term side effect of Vioxx made you think you were a woman also.

Advertising of the drugs will always cause some bias in people. Ethics of the big pharma and healthcare are not what they should be.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Yea...I didn't need more info.

 

[brianf]

you guys do realize that there are over 20,000 drugs approved by the FDA...not bad odds

only about 20% of the products that start phase 1 (then phase 2, then phase 3), then to the desk of the FDA) actually pass FDA criteria for market

life expectancy in the US:

circa 1900 was approx 50 years old

100 years later it is 75 years old in the US

i bet with out modern meds close to 50% of the members on the hide would be dead 100 years ago

 

[candyx]

FDA should look at Jack Daniels for a cure all.

 

[Ravenworks]

Well here's one classic that got pulled.

 

[candyx]

Well here's one classic that got pulled.

View attachment 7690338

 

[Cowpokey]

The FDA also didn't "approve" the rona vax yesterday, they re-issued the Emergency Use Authorization:

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

 

[theLBC]

 

[M8541Reaper]

You know what wasn’t FDA approved but prevents COVID and other bullshit? The original Jack3D. If you ever used more than one scoop and lived, you’re protected from El Roña.

 

[poke_53]

Wow, Jacked3D was for us super humans. I remember feeling that stuff move throughout my body.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[AngryKoala]

You know what wasn’t FDA approved but prevents COVID and other bullshit? The original Jack3D. If you ever used more than one scoop and lived, you’re protected from El Roña.

I remember taking too much NOxplode and vomiting, it stained the concrete red....stopped taking it after that lol.

 

[powdahound76]

@brianf - and you have to admit there are things that have made it to market that make you scratch your head. and you know the big pharma guys are not the most ethical. Some of the folks are, many are just about $$$

Many in medicine arent either. Its a job and a way to make $.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[theLBC]

@brianf - and you have to admit there are things that have made it to market that make you scratch your head. and you know the big pharma guys are not the most ethical. Some of the folks are, many are just about $$$

Many in medicine arent either. Its a job and a way to make $.

they knew oxy was highly addictive, even as they pushed it as a safer and less addictive alternative.
how many americans have been hooked and overdosed?

Opioid-involved overdose deaths rose from 21,088 in 2010 to 47,600 in 2017 and remained steady in 2018 with 46,802 deaths. This was followed by a significant increase in 2019 to 49,860 overdose deaths

 

[powdahound76]

I read an article 20+ yrs ago called "The Day the Feds (FDA) Turned Drug Dealers" or something close.

It was pretty much the same statements.

Lots of great stuff has come from Pharma. and lots I dont agree with.

 

[AngryKoala]

@brianf - and you have to admit there are things that have made it to market that make you scratch your head. and you know the big pharma guys are not the most ethical. Some of the folks are, many are just about $$$

Many in medicine arent either. Its a job and a way to make $.

That's not entirely true. Liability pushes efficacy studies to a whole new level in pharmaceuticals compared to other industries. There is an insane amount of oversight and regulatory. One of the reasons I left that industry.

Also, it is a business so kind of their primary goal is to make money. I will say that the feeling of personal responsibility for ensuring product safety was at its highest in pharma.

 

[theLBC]

That's not entirely true. Liability pushes efficacy studies to a whole new level in pharmaceuticals compared to other industries. There is an insane amount of oversight and regulatory. One of the reasons I left that industry.

sure but the company that marketed OxyContin made billions, knowing it was highly addictive (according to internal documents), and after killing tens of thousands of americans by getting them addicted, they were fined and allowed to keep most of their fortune.
nobody ever goes to prison, even when they are caught red handed.

 

[brianf]

The oxy stuff is confusing on several levels.

Those drugs are regulated by the FDA and the DEA. They are considered “controlled substances”. Usual controlled substances can or are being used in making illegal drugs…meth etc.

purchasing
manufacturing
selling to a supply house
then to the retail store

All of those steps have to be approved by the DEA local if not federal agent office making sure all the companies involved are legal entities and allowed to have the product.

the DEA also has limits on purchasing quantities usual unit of measure is total kilos or doses at specific strength.

Example
Your company gets proper license for oyx manufacturing. You cannot just go buy 30,000 kilos of material there is a limit. And every purchase order goes against that limit.

It’s much more involved than blaming the FDA who realistically has nothing to do with oxy other than making sure the kilos in equal the kilos out and there aren’t rats running around.

this is a DEA procedure problem

 

[theLBC]

The oxy stuff is confusing on several levels.

Those drugs are regulated by the FDA and the DEA. They are considered “controlled substances”. Usual controlled substances can or are being used in making illegal drugs…meth etc.

purchasing
manufacturing
selling to a supply house
then to the retail store

All of those steps have to be approved by the DEA local if not federal agent office making sure all the companies involved are legal entities and allowed to have the product.

the DEA also has limits on purchasing quantities usual unit of measure is total kilos or doses at specific strength.

Example
Your company gets proper license for oyx manufacturing. You cannot just go buy 30,000 kilos of material there is a limit. And every purchase order goes against that limit.

It’s much more involved than blaming the FDA who realistically has nothing to do with oxy other than making sure the kilos in equal the kilos out and there aren’t rats running around.

this is a DEA procedure problem

i think the main point is that the FDA relies on the honesty of big pharma, and i believe this trust is unfounded.

 

[AngryKoala]

sure but the company that marketed OxyContin made billions, knowing it was highly addictive (according to internal documents), and after killing tens of thousands of americans by getting them addicted, they were fined and allowed to keep most of their fortune.
nobody ever goes to prison, even when they are caught red handed.

The Oxycontin worked did it not? Is it the drug companies responsibility to ensure the patient uses the drug as prescribed or is it the physicians responsibility?

 

[M8541Reaper]

Wow, Jacked3D was for us super humans. I remember feeling that stuff move throughout my body.

You could hear colors and taste sounds. Fuckin the best OTC you could ever get. …and look what happened. They fucking ban it because some retarded E-2 fuckin did four scoops and stretched before his PFT. Boom. Banned.

Fuckin commies.

#SeeWhatHappensWhenYouStretch

 

[M8541Reaper]

I remember taking too much NOxplode and vomiting, it stained the concrete red....stopped taking it after that lol.

That shit was fun because of bubbles. Hahahahaha

 

[theLBC]

The Oxycontin worked did it not? Is it the drug companies responsibility to ensure the patient uses the drug as prescribed or is it the physicians responsibility?

that isn't the issue. they claimed it was non or less addictive, knowing that it wasn't.

 

[brianf]

i think the main point is that the FDA relies on the honesty of big pharma, and i believe this trust is unfounded.

they have to, if you really dive into how drugs come to market its a impossible task

the amount of money and time that go into creating a new "viagra" is absurd

no matter how many people work for the FDA they would never even get past the first drug with the amount of data involved

as of 10 years ago (last time i really looked into it) companies like J&J spend over 60% of their revenue..not profit...revenue on new drugs

if one or 2 of them fail in phase 3, they are virtually bankrupt

so the amount of effort drug companies put into the research is almost unmatchable

 

[johnnyvw]

My wife works for a pharma company, as an electronic document specialist, i.e. she puts together the documentation that is submitted to the FDA for review. Most submissions, she works on them for 6 months to a year, and it involves tying together thousands of pages, and hundreds of studies. And she has worked on ones that got all the way to that point and during the documentation review process, her company has pulled the plug because they found too many negative affects that only came to light during the final documentation process. At that point, millions of dollars had been spent, never to be recouped. But this is part of bringing new drugs to market. If it weren't for this process, you would either have drugs like thalidomide, or you would be using ancient drugs like the original insulin instead of newer ones that are much more friendly to the user's body. Yes, you do occasionally have issues that were not found out in clinical trials...like the one drug that had a bad side effect with alcohol. Impossible to foresee everything that users may end up ingesting along with the drug.

 

[theLBC]

My wife works for a pharma company, as an electronic document specialist, i.e. she puts together the documentation that is submitted to the FDA for review. Most submissions, she works on them for 6 months to a year, and it involves tying together thousands of pages, and hundreds of studies. And she has worked on ones that got all the way to that point and during the documentation review process, her company has pulled the plug because they found too many negative affects that only came to light during the final documentation process. At that point, millions of dollars had been spent, never to be recouped. But this is part of bringing new drugs to market. If it weren't for this process, you would either have drugs like thalidomide, or you would be using ancient drugs like the original insulin instead of newer ones that are much more friendly to the user's body. Yes, you do occasionally have issues that were not found out in clinical trials...like the one drug that had a bad side effect with alcohol. Impossible to foresee everything that users may end up ingesting along with the drug.

thanks for sharing.
this is why i think that when they get caught red handed lying or hiding evidence contrary to their report, people should go to prison.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

circa 1900 was approx 50 years old

100 years later it is 75 years old in the US

In 1900 raw sewage was literally dumped into drinking water sources.
Today, raw sewage has to be turned nearly into drinking water, to be released into a receiving stream.

Trust the science.
And your welcome.

 

[AngryKoala]

that isn't the issue. they claimed it was non or less addictive, knowing that it wasn't.

Proof? I remember them saying it was less addictive than other opioids not that it wasn't addictive.

 

[canezach]

sure but the company that marketed OxyContin made billions, knowing it was highly addictive (according to internal documents), and after killing tens of thousands of americans by getting them addicted, they were fined and allowed to keep most of their fortune.
nobody ever goes to prison, even when they are caught red handed.

Eh... kinda hard for me to have an issue with the manufacturer when the drug works as intended WHEN IT IS USED AS INTENDED (emphasis added). It was supposed to a slow releasing, time-release narcotic analgesic that was supposed to be for people with severe pain management issues, like people recovering from major spinal surgery. The problems arose when people learned they could crush the pill and bypass the time release protocol, giving themselves instant gratification. Yes, it's addictive, but I don't recall them saying it wasn't. Maybe they said it was less addictive, but again, that only applies to when used as directed. I would guess a lot of people have been prescribed oxycodone and never developed a habit. The assholes that need to be investigate are the "doctors" at the pill farms in Ohio and Florida that will write you a 90 day prescription on the spot after a 3 minute "checkup" for $99.99

 

[theLBC]

Eh... kinda hard for me to have an issue with the manufacturer when the drug works as intended WHEN IT IS USED AS INTENDED (emphasis added). It was supposed to a slow releasing, time-release narcotic analgesic that was supposed to be for people with severe pain management issues, like people recovering from major spinal surgery. The problems arose when people learned they could crush the pill and bypass the time release protocol, giving themselves instant gratification. Yes, it's addictive, but I don't recall them saying it wasn't. Maybe they said it was less addictive, but again, that only applies to when used as directed. I would guess a lot of people have been prescribed oxycodone and never developed a habit. The assholes that need to be investigate are the "doctors" at the pill farms in Ohio and Florida that will write you a 90 day prescription on the spot after a 3 minute "checkup" for $99.99

i beg to differ. doctors were fooled into thinking they could prescribe it to more patients, for longer, due to how it was marketed.
internal documents reveal...

The history of OxyContin, told through unsealed Purdue documents

In a newly unsealed 1996 email, Dr. Richard Sackler wrote that he wanted Purdue Pharma to be "feared as a tiger with claws, teeth and balls."

www.statnews.com

June 13, 1997: Minutes from a meeting of the OxyContin team spells out in greater detail the messaging balancing act for the drug, given Purdue’s keen interest in not scaring off the non-cancer pain market, which is much larger than the cancer-patient market.

“We can show that we are as ‘effective’ as morphine, but do not want to say OxyContin is as ‘powerful’ as morphine” a marketing and sales executive said. “Words such as ‘powerful’ may make some people think the drug is dangerous and should be reserved for the more severe pain.”

July 2014: Dr. William T. Fannin, a licensed physician in Kentucky, swears an affidavit as part of Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Purdue Pharma.

Fannin stated: “I was advised by the manufacturer of Oxycontin, through its employees and marketing materials, that Oxycontin was less addictive, less prone to tolerance, and less prone to abuse than other opiates.” As a result of these representations, he added, “I prescribed Oxycontin to patients who suffered adverse health consequences.”

He further said: “It is my belief … the marketing of Oxycontin in the above-stated manner resulted in numerous health consequences to patients and other individuals in Kentucky, especially those in Eastern Kentucky.”

 

[AngryKoala]

i beg to differ. doctors were fooled into thinking they could prescribe it to more patients, for longer, due to how it was marketed.
internal documents reveal...

The history of OxyContin, told through unsealed Purdue documents

In a newly unsealed 1996 email, Dr. Richard Sackler wrote that he wanted Purdue Pharma to be "feared as a tiger with claws, teeth and balls."

www.statnews.com

June 13, 1997: Minutes from a meeting of the OxyContin team spells out in greater detail the messaging balancing act for the drug, given Purdue’s keen interest in not scaring off the non-cancer pain market, which is much larger than the cancer-patient market.

“We can show that we are as ‘effective’ as morphine, but do not want to say OxyContin is as ‘powerful’ as morphine” a marketing and sales executive said. “Words such as ‘powerful’ may make some people think the drug is dangerous and should be reserved for the more severe pain.”

July 2014: Dr. William T. Fannin, a licensed physician in Kentucky, swears an affidavit as part of Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Purdue Pharma.

Fannin stated: “I was advised by the manufacturer of Oxycontin, through its employees and marketing materials, that Oxycontin was less addictive, less prone to tolerance, and less prone to abuse than other opiates.” As a result of these representations, he added, “I prescribed Oxycontin to patients who suffered adverse health consequences.”

He further said: “It is my belief … the marketing of Oxycontin in the above-stated manner resulted in numerous health consequences to patients and other individuals in Kentucky, especially those in Eastern Kentucky.”

Read the fine print. Less addictive than other opiates and they reference morphine in their previous marketing. That was a marketing ploy because addiction and satiety studies were not refined yet when oxycontin was released. More than likely it was ancedotal evidence that suggested that or even a marketing ploy but I doubt it was some nefarious decision by the company. I would need actual proof

 

[theLBC]

Read the fine print. Less addictive than other opiates and they reference morphine in their previous marketing. That was a marketing ploy because addiction and satiety studies were not refined yet when oxycontin was released. More than likely it was ancedotal evidence that suggested that or even a marketing ploy but I doubt it waa some nefarious decision by the company. I would need actual proof

they pled guilty and were forced to pay a fine, is that not proof enough for you?
of course, they are still filthy rich and nobody went to prison.

Opioid Manufacturer Purdue Pharma Pleads Guilty to Fraud and Kickback Conspiracies

Opioid manufacturer Purdue Pharma LP (Purdue) pleaded guilty today in federal court in Newark, New Jersey, to conspiracies to defraud the United States and violate the anti-kickback statute.

www.justice.gov

Purdue pleaded guilty to an information charging it with three felony offenses: one count of dual-object conspiracy to defraud the United States and to violate the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and two counts of conspiracy to violate the Federal Anti-Kickback Statute.


“The abuse and diversion of prescription opioids has contributed to a national tragedy of addiction and deaths, in addition to those caused by illicit street opioids,” said Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen. “Today’s guilty pleas to three felony charges send a strong message to the pharmaceutical industry that illegal behavior will have serious consequences. Further, today’s convictions underscore the department’s commitment to its multi-pronged strategy for defeating the opioid crisis.”


“Purdue admitted that it marketed and sold its dangerous opioid products to healthcare providers, even though it had reason to believe those providers were diverting them to abusers,” said Rachael A. Honig, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey. “The company lied to the Drug Enforcement Administration about steps it had taken to prevent such diversion, fraudulently increasing the amount of its products it was permitted to sell. Purdue also paid kickbacks to providers to encourage them to prescribe even more of its products.”

 

[AngryKoala]

they pled guilty and were forced to pay a fine, is that not proof enough for you?
of course, they are still filthy rich and nobody went to prison.

Opioid Manufacturer Purdue Pharma Pleads Guilty to Fraud and Kickback Conspiracies

Opioid manufacturer Purdue Pharma LP (Purdue) pleaded guilty today in federal court in Newark, New Jersey, to conspiracies to defraud the United States and violate the anti-kickback statute.

www.justice.gov

Purdue pleaded guilty to an information charging it with three felony offenses: one count of dual-object conspiracy to defraud the United States and to violate the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and two counts of conspiracy to violate the Federal Anti-Kickback Statute.


“The abuse and diversion of prescription opioids has contributed to a national tragedy of addiction and deaths, in addition to those caused by illicit street opioids,” said Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen. “Today’s guilty pleas to three felony charges send a strong message to the pharmaceutical industry that illegal behavior will have serious consequences. Further, today’s convictions underscore the department’s commitment to its multi-pronged strategy for defeating the opioid crisis.”


“Purdue admitted that it marketed and sold its dangerous opioid products to healthcare providers, even though it had reason to believe those providers were diverting them to abusers,” said Rachael A. Honig, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey. “The company lied to the Drug Enforcement Administration about steps it had taken to prevent such diversion, fraudulently increasing the amount of its products it was permitted to sell. Purdue also paid kickbacks to providers to encourage them to prescribe even more of its products.”

From your article
“Purdue admitted that it marketed and sold its dangerous opioid products to healthcare providers, even though it had reason to believe those providers were diverting them to abusers,” said Rachael A. Honig, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey. “The company lied to the Drug Enforcement Administration about steps it had taken to prevent such diversion, fraudulently increasing the amount of its products it was permitted to sell. Purdue also paid kickbacks to providers to encourage them to prescribe even more of its products.”

So where does it say they were fined for misrepresenting the product? There is a documentary about this. It had more to do with physician kickbacks. misrepresentation of distribution and lack of due diligence to decrease distribution to addicts (physician mediated).

 

[theLBC]

From your article
“Purdue admitted that it marketed and sold its dangerous opioid products to healthcare providers, even though it had reason to believe those providers were diverting them to abusers,” said Rachael A. Honig, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey. “The company lied to the Drug Enforcement Administration about steps it had taken to prevent such diversion, fraudulently increasing the amount of its products it was permitted to sell. Purdue also paid kickbacks to providers to encourage them to prescribe even more of its products.”

So where does it say they were fined for misrepresenting the product? There is a documentary about this. It had more to do with physician kickbacks. misrepresentation of distribution and lack of due diligence to decrease distribution to addicts (physician mediated).

they had a swarm of salesmen out there convincing "doctors" it was safe. of course many "doctors" knew it was being abused...and that just changes the topic to the unreasonable trust people have in "doctors".

July 2014: Dr. William T. Fannin, a licensed physician in Kentucky, swears an affidavit as part of Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Purdue Pharma.

Fannin stated: “I was advised by the manufacturer of Oxycontin, through its employees and marketing materials, that Oxycontin was less addictive, less prone to tolerance, and less prone to abuse than other opiates.” As a result of these representations, he added, “I prescribed Oxycontin to patients who suffered adverse health consequences.”

 

[AngryKoala]

they had a swarm of salesmen out there convincing "doctors" it was safe. of course many "doctors" knew it was being abused...and that just changes the topic to the unreasonable trust people have in "doctors".

July 2014: Dr. William T. Fannin, a licensed physician in Kentucky, swears an affidavit as part of Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Purdue Pharma.

Fannin stated: “I was advised by the manufacturer of Oxycontin, through its employees and marketing materials, that Oxycontin was less addictive, less prone to tolerance, and less prone to abuse than other opiates.” As a result of these representations, he added, “I prescribed Oxycontin to patients who suffered adverse health consequences.”

Again like I said I would need actual proof they knew it wasn't as addictive as morphine. It was a marketing ploy and they ended up being wrong.

Provide a document or evidence they knew it was more addictive.

 

[theLBC]

Again like I said I would need actual proof they knew it wasn't as addictive as morphine. It was a marketing ploy and they ended up being wrong.

Provide a document or evidence they knew it was more addictive.

did you read the link or do any research all at?

Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused (Published 2018)

A confidential Justice Department report found the company was aware early on that OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but continued to promote it as less addictive.

www.nytimes.com

anyway, you can defend big pharma and the fda (that gets funding from them). i am not going to argue the point further, or blame the victims.

 

[AngryKoala]

did you read the link or do any research all at?

Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused (Published 2018)

A confidential Justice Department report found the company was aware early on that OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but continued to promote it as less addictive.

www.nytimes.com

anyway, you can defend big pharma and the fda (that gets funding from them). i am not going to argue the point further, or blame the victims.

You stated that they knew that their drug was more addictive. I asked you to provide proof that they knew and you still have yet to do that.

I'm not defending Pharma, i'm arguing the accuracy of your statement. You either have the proof or you don't. Until then your statement is false.

I'll ask again, where is the testimony or document from the company that states they knew their product was more addictive than other opiates?

You provide it and I'll change my statement.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Carlos Danger]

 

[AngryKoala]

View attachment 7690744

Thermo fisher???? Google has failed your request.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Thermo fisher???? Google has failed your request.

Maybe not stamping pills but......

Thermo Fisher Scientific - US

Thermo Fisher Scientific enables our customers to make the world healthier, cleaner and safer.

www.thermofisher.com

 

[AngryKoala]

Maybe not stamping pills but......

Thermo Fisher Scientific - US

Thermo Fisher Scientific enables our customers to make the world healthier, cleaner and safer.

www.thermofisher.com

They are a distributor and supply a metric fuck ton of chemicals, lab equipment and other services but I wouldn't label them as pharmaceutical.

They are like VWR, Sigma Aldrich etc.

 

[brianf]

Your both right in essence.

One more thing as the guys wife above knows as well.

functional example numbers wise, but the math is how it works

current drug in market 10 out of 100 die
New drug 5 out of 100 die

the new drug is marketed and IS 100% less likely to kill you.
Although you still have a 5 out of 100 chance.

the fda also takes that into account.
if drug 1 is the only drug on the market that might work even though it’s a 10-100 and the new drug is equal in treatment yet is 5-100 deaths.

fda would pass it even thought it’s a absurd death rate by drug but they are “saving” 5-100 more lives.

it’s a numbers game.

People don’t want to hear it but that’s the way it works.

snd it’s not just big pharma money.
Big pharma gets huge percentages of RD money from the “market” big money guys/investors.

Forrest labs doesn’t make all that money from selling bottles.

if their budget was based on sale price and budget we would never have a new drug developed because the cost would be $1000 a tablet etc.

That’s where the patents of drug/material/intended use of material

it protects the pharma company from generics on day 1 so they can recoup costs and the inventors get their returns …in turn investing again.

 

[Doc68]

After my spinal surgery last year, I was hooked up to a dilaudid pump, every ten minutes.

I got off that shit in less than 10hrs and relied on Tramadol and tylenol.

I was early on in my alcohol sobriety amd didnt want to get addicted to narcotics.

Doc

 

[762 ULTRAMAGA]

 

[The D]

You know what wasn’t FDA approved but prevents COVID and other bullshit? The original Jack3D. If you ever used more than one scoop and lived, you’re protected from El Roña.

I remember taking too much NOxplode and vomiting, it stained the concrete red....stopped taking it after that lol.

I worked at a few supplement stores when this stuff was pretty popular and I remember the original Endo Rush(I think) that came in a bottle. It had an inch thick layer of heart attack dust in the bottom that absolutely had to be shaken up before you drank some. Also, to make it a bit worse, the serving size was only 1/4 of the bottle. Somewhere I heard they had to reformulate it because a few people got fucked up from drinking too much at one time or not shaking it up and drinking all the heart attack dust with the last 1/4 or 1/3 of a bottle. Fun times in the gym rat space back then

Edit to bring it back around to the op; fuck the fda