Im begining the research and parts purchasing for a new build in 375CT. The rifle stock will be a Mcmillan A4 and the barrel is a Krieger #18 heavey varmit contour. My question to the hide is which action do I go with. Im leaning toward the Lawton 8000 but I have used BAT actions on other builds and they make a nice peice. I do not know anything about Stiller except the price looks like its on par with the others. Any suggestion or advise. Thank you in advance
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375CT action Help
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Re: 375CT action Help
If you are doing a new build I would go with Stiller. I would only use a Lawton if you came across one that someone had or if it was on a completed build. I wouldn't order anything from Lawton. If you do a search on this site you will find many unhappy prior Lawton customers. Myself included.
GR
If you are doing a new build I would go with Stiller. I would only use a Lawton if you came across one that someone had or if it was on a completed build. I wouldn't order anything from Lawton. If you do a search on this site you will find many unhappy prior Lawton customers. Myself included.
GR
Re: 375CT action Help
Can't speak directly about the Lawton thing but, I've heard it repeated over and over here. I'd stay away based on the information I've heard here. When I started looking at actions, I called and wrote them email and never heard anything from them back.... As you can imagine, I have a Stiller repeater on my rifle after finding a thread here where folks had given them money and waited a year and never got an action etc. etc. etc.
I'd stay away.. there are a few others that make 408 actions. I picked Stiller TAC 408 action and, it's a great action.
I think folks were saying that the gentleman that started Lawton died but, his heirs were still running the place if memory serves... and the place hasn't been the same since.
My only interaction with them is that I never got a response from them on some questions I sent them about their actions.
I imagine you've already done some research on barrels... I'd shoot for about a 1:10 twist if I were you. You can shoot all the way out to about a 375gr solid with that twist rate. You'd really limit yourself with a 1:11.5 like on many rifles. I'd much rather overspin a bullet than underspin one.
Hopefully others will see this and post more sources for good projectiles but, this is what I've found so far. I'm not going to start a shit storm and try to sell any one of these over the other. I'm still learning what my rifle likes.
I know you'll do your own research and may have already but, hope this helps somebody and, maybe others will post more resources for projectiles... there are already good ones listed below. I currently have some of the predators ( Steve seems great to talk to on the phone ) and have some of the lehigh boreriders that I'm working with.
http://www.dynamicresearchllc.com/3.html
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MTH_L10
http://lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=30
http://www.rmbullets.com/page7.html
http://www.hookertactical.com/1Fil/1_Price_Retail_Bullet_Military-Rev7.htm
Can't speak directly about the Lawton thing but, I've heard it repeated over and over here. I'd stay away based on the information I've heard here. When I started looking at actions, I called and wrote them email and never heard anything from them back.... As you can imagine, I have a Stiller repeater on my rifle after finding a thread here where folks had given them money and waited a year and never got an action etc. etc. etc.
I'd stay away.. there are a few others that make 408 actions. I picked Stiller TAC 408 action and, it's a great action.
I think folks were saying that the gentleman that started Lawton died but, his heirs were still running the place if memory serves... and the place hasn't been the same since.
My only interaction with them is that I never got a response from them on some questions I sent them about their actions.
I imagine you've already done some research on barrels... I'd shoot for about a 1:10 twist if I were you. You can shoot all the way out to about a 375gr solid with that twist rate. You'd really limit yourself with a 1:11.5 like on many rifles. I'd much rather overspin a bullet than underspin one.
Hopefully others will see this and post more sources for good projectiles but, this is what I've found so far. I'm not going to start a shit storm and try to sell any one of these over the other. I'm still learning what my rifle likes.
I know you'll do your own research and may have already but, hope this helps somebody and, maybe others will post more resources for projectiles... there are already good ones listed below. I currently have some of the predators ( Steve seems great to talk to on the phone ) and have some of the lehigh boreriders that I'm working with.
http://www.dynamicresearchllc.com/3.html
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MTH_L10
http://lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=30
http://www.rmbullets.com/page7.html
http://www.hookertactical.com/1Fil/1_Price_Retail_Bullet_Military-Rev7.htm
Re: 375CT action Help
Check out Barker machine works.com John makes thest actions all day long. He has designed his own and they are very nice.
Check out Barker machine works.com John makes thest actions all day long. He has designed his own and they are very nice.
Re: 375CT action Help
Jaeger898:
Lawton is not an option if you are looking for "factory new" as they are out of business. As noted, you may still be able to find one - pros and cons aside as to whether you'll want to purchase it.
Other options are listed ELR Resources - Rifle Components: Actions/Receivers (look for the blue 2). I count 8 in total, 5 repeaters and 3 single shot.
Jaeger898:
Lawton is not an option if you are looking for "factory new" as they are out of business. As noted, you may still be able to find one - pros and cons aside as to whether you'll want to purchase it.
Other options are listed ELR Resources - Rifle Components: Actions/Receivers (look for the blue 2). I count 8 in total, 5 repeaters and 3 single shot.
Re: 375CT action Help
Thank you ,to all that replied... Looks like I have a little more homework to do.. I did speak to Russ today at stiller and he told me he would have a few out by June/July. Russ also told me to speak with Bruce Baer for the cheytac bottom metal if I decide to go with a repeater....
JWOOLF I need to send you a pm reguarding case neck measurements for the purchase of the reamer . Maybe you can shed a little light on that subject . The rifle isn't going to be just a bench rifle
Thank you all again for the advise. If anyone has any more advise I can use , I'll take it. This will be a adventure by the time its done....
Thank you ,to all that replied... Looks like I have a little more homework to do.. I did speak to Russ today at stiller and he told me he would have a few out by June/July. Russ also told me to speak with Bruce Baer for the cheytac bottom metal if I decide to go with a repeater....
JWOOLF I need to send you a pm reguarding case neck measurements for the purchase of the reamer . Maybe you can shed a little light on that subject . The rifle isn't going to be just a bench rifle
Thank you all again for the advise. If anyone has any more advise I can use , I'll take it. This will be a adventure by the time its done....
Re: 375CT action Help
Jaeger898
The PTG reamer drawing is on page 4 of this set (use View/Rotate View/Counterclockwise to make your reading easier) - http://elr-resources.com/PTG%20Reamer%20Drawings%2010132011%20-%20338%20SnipeTac-5.pdf [NOTE: Since many reamer drawings have been tailored to specific needs, suggest you contact Dave Kiff at PTG: 1+ (541) 826-5808]
Best of luck.
BTW - new things coming from the new CT within a few months.
Jaeger898
The PTG reamer drawing is on page 4 of this set (use View/Rotate View/Counterclockwise to make your reading easier) - http://elr-resources.com/PTG%20Reamer%20Drawings%2010132011%20-%20338%20SnipeTac-5.pdf [NOTE: Since many reamer drawings have been tailored to specific needs, suggest you contact Dave Kiff at PTG: 1+ (541) 826-5808]
Best of luck.
BTW - new things coming from the new CT within a few months.
Re: 375CT action Help
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaeger898</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you ,to all that replied... Looks like I have a little more homework to do.. I did speak to Russ today at stiller and he told me he would have a few out by June/July. Russ also told me to speak with Bruce Baer for the cheytac bottom metal if I decide to go with a repeater....
JWOOLF I need to send you a pm reguarding case neck measurements for the purchase of the reamer . Maybe you can shed a little light on that subject . The rifle isn't going to be just a bench rifle
Thank you all again for the advise. If anyone has any more advise I can use , I'll take it. This will be a adventure by the time its done.... </div></div>
Get an action in the group buy.
I recently (as in this week) picked up the Baer bottom metal. It looks well constructed. I think I'll like it, but the mags are huge. I wish it were a 5-shot or even 4 so that it wouldn't hang down so much.
Also, you mention above that you're looking at an A4. I'd check on that with McMillan. An A5 may be your only choice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaeger898</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you ,to all that replied... Looks like I have a little more homework to do.. I did speak to Russ today at stiller and he told me he would have a few out by June/July. Russ also told me to speak with Bruce Baer for the cheytac bottom metal if I decide to go with a repeater....
JWOOLF I need to send you a pm reguarding case neck measurements for the purchase of the reamer . Maybe you can shed a little light on that subject . The rifle isn't going to be just a bench rifle
Thank you all again for the advise. If anyone has any more advise I can use , I'll take it. This will be a adventure by the time its done.... </div></div>
Get an action in the group buy.
I recently (as in this week) picked up the Baer bottom metal. It looks well constructed. I think I'll like it, but the mags are huge. I wish it were a 5-shot or even 4 so that it wouldn't hang down so much.
Also, you mention above that you're looking at an A4. I'd check on that with McMillan. An A5 may be your only choice.
Re: 375CT action Help
You can get the action and bottom metal that is made for the action from Barker Machine works. He will also do a group buy pricing, and you wont have to wait until june/july.
You can get the action and bottom metal that is made for the action from Barker Machine works. He will also do a group buy pricing, and you wont have to wait until june/july.
Re: 375CT action Help
I have never figured the need for a mag feed 375ct unless for Sniper mil use -get a Barnard -big tuff and probably the most accuratly made action on the market bar none.No truing needed as it is true already and has a great world class trigger
http://www.barnard.co.nz/model-p-chey-action.htm
I have never figured the need for a mag feed 375ct unless for Sniper mil use -get a Barnard -big tuff and probably the most accuratly made action on the market bar none.No truing needed as it is true already and has a great world class trigger
http://www.barnard.co.nz/model-p-chey-action.htm
Re: 375CT action Help
ch'e:
Possibly you mean to buy a Baranrd P-Chey single shot. [I have a Model P Barnard and like it very much.] Regrettably they do not - at this time - build a CT repeater. Wish they would. As I wish BAT would.
ch'e:
Possibly you mean to buy a Baranrd P-Chey single shot. [I have a Model P Barnard and like it very much.] Regrettably they do not - at this time - build a CT repeater. Wish they would. As I wish BAT would.
Re: 375CT action Help
No they dont and wont for now .Steve the owner of Barnard and I shoot togeather and I am often pestering him about things like Mag feeds.I have two actions from Barnard and for Prone shooting I need no other , they are fantastic!
No they dont and wont for now .Steve the owner of Barnard and I shoot togeather and I am often pestering him about things like Mag feeds.I have two actions from Barnard and for Prone shooting I need no other , they are fantastic!
Re: 375CT action Help
Honestly, if you have a 375, you probably don't need it to mag feed. You're not going to shoot it in a tactical match since I doubt anybody would let you shoot their steel with it and, you're not likely to take one on a dangerous game hunt unless you have one specially made for that purpose. ( which is possible I suppose )
All that being, I have the Stiller TAC 408 repeater action on my 375CT. The mags are just long enough for the boreriders to reach the lands and still mag feed in my rifle... OAL is 4.435 but, I'm not kissing the lands with that length... I'm about 10 off at that length.
Honestly, if you have a 375, you probably don't need it to mag feed. You're not going to shoot it in a tactical match since I doubt anybody would let you shoot their steel with it and, you're not likely to take one on a dangerous game hunt unless you have one specially made for that purpose. ( which is possible I suppose )
All that being, I have the Stiller TAC 408 repeater action on my 375CT. The mags are just long enough for the boreriders to reach the lands and still mag feed in my rifle... OAL is 4.435 but, I'm not kissing the lands with that length... I'm about 10 off at that length.
Re: 375CT action Help
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ELR Researcher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jaeger898
The PTG reamer drawing is on page 4 of this set (use View/Rotate View/Counterclockwise to make your reading easier) - http://elr-resources.com/PTG%20Reamer%20Drawings%2010132011%20-%20338%20SnipeTac-5.pdf [NOTE: Since many reamer drawings have been tailored to specific needs, suggest you contact Dave Kiff at PTG: 1+ (541) 826-5808]
Best of luck.
BTW - new things coming from the new CT within a few months. </div></div>
Great link, thanks for that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ELR Researcher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jaeger898
The PTG reamer drawing is on page 4 of this set (use View/Rotate View/Counterclockwise to make your reading easier) - http://elr-resources.com/PTG%20Reamer%20Drawings%2010132011%20-%20338%20SnipeTac-5.pdf [NOTE: Since many reamer drawings have been tailored to specific needs, suggest you contact Dave Kiff at PTG: 1+ (541) 826-5808]
Best of luck.
BTW - new things coming from the new CT within a few months. </div></div>
Great link, thanks for that.
Re: 375CT action Help
Here's mine next to my 300wm... it's a crappy pic taken with an old iphone...
Stiller TAC 408 repeater
Brux 30" 1:10 twist
RWS brake
Jewell trigger
34moa base
PDC chassis
NF NSX 5.5-22
Think I'm about to invest in a sn-9 USO scope and put the NSX back on the 300wm and put the little viper pst that I moved on to it onto my old supermatch below.
I'm sure you've already seen loaded rounds but, here's a 330gr borerider next to an M118 7.62 round.
Here's mine next to my 300wm... it's a crappy pic taken with an old iphone...
Stiller TAC 408 repeater
Brux 30" 1:10 twist
RWS brake
Jewell trigger
34moa base
PDC chassis
NF NSX 5.5-22
Think I'm about to invest in a sn-9 USO scope and put the NSX back on the 300wm and put the little viper pst that I moved on to it onto my old supermatch below.
I'm sure you've already seen loaded rounds but, here's a 330gr borerider next to an M118 7.62 round.
Re: 375CT action Help
+1 for Barker Machine Works; you said you were leaning towards a Lawton...these guys may have had something to do with Lawton's success back in the day.
+1 for Barker Machine Works; you said you were leaning towards a Lawton...these guys may have had something to do with Lawton's success back in the day.
Re: 375CT action Help
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocky Mountain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An XLR stock and bat action would still be my pick but the stiller arent to bad either </div></div>
Doing it over again, I might go with that chassis too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocky Mountain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An XLR stock and bat action would still be my pick but the stiller arent to bad either </div></div>
Doing it over again, I might go with that chassis too.
Re: 375CT action Help
I have a Lawton and Stiller and like them both. Defiance is coming out with a new Chey-Tac action and their action is one of my favorite actions by far. BAT always build good actions so you can not go wrong there. I have yet to see a Barker action but John is a great guy and if is actions are anything like the early Lawton's, you will be good to go.
-Kyle ~ XLR
Lawton 8000~ 375 CT
I have a Lawton and Stiller and like them both. Defiance is coming out with a new Chey-Tac action and their action is one of my favorite actions by far. BAT always build good actions so you can not go wrong there. I have yet to see a Barker action but John is a great guy and if is actions are anything like the early Lawton's, you will be good to go.
-Kyle ~ XLR
Lawton 8000~ 375 CT
Re: 375CT action Help
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vepr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are any of the mag fed actions available in left handed config ? </div></div>
For sure - Defiance (Renegade) and Xtreme Machining.
See Defiance info at http://defiancemachine.com/actions/
See Xtreme Machining info at http://www.xtrememachining.us/products_actions.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vepr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are any of the mag fed actions available in left handed config ? </div></div>
For sure - Defiance (Renegade) and Xtreme Machining.
See Defiance info at http://defiancemachine.com/actions/
See Xtreme Machining info at http://www.xtrememachining.us/products_actions.html
