40X .22 trainer wood stock or re-stock info needed

[hudsongunner]

I just bought 2 40X .22 trainers here on the hide.
One for me and the other for my 4 week old son...my wife just shook her head when I bought it for him. Having a boy is great, I get to buy him all sorts of toys that must be tested out for a few years until he is big enough to play with them himself.

I have yet to take them to the range...

Questions for those that have been down this road already:
1: aside from feeling just like my .308 and looking cool, will I notice any difference from the factory wood stock as far as accuracy goes?
2: I know I can order the stock specifically for the single shot 40X from McMillan but deals pop up on stocks inleted for 700SA here on the hide often. What will I need to do to make one of these work on my 40X and is a deal worth the extra work needed to make one work?...any knowledge will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks....

 

[sinister]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I had my gunsmith drop my standard barrel 40X into a take-off H-S stock for a Remington 700VS. He glass-bedded the action to the stock and used the take-off stamped floorplate/trigger guard from the CMP stock to accomodate the 40X trigger.

It shoots GREAT. My 13 year old son has claimed it as HIS range gun.

 

[donws2]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

The foot print of the 40X and 700 short action are the same. If you have the earlier style 40X (722 action) with the straight bolt and low swing safety then you made need to mod the stock a little for them to fit. Not that hard to do. If you have the later Heavy Barrel 40X the barrel channel on an 700 stock will most likely need to be opened up to fit the barrel. This is a bigger problem than the first. If you don't have access to a mill then a long section of thick broom handle with sand paper wrapped arround it can be used to open up the stock chanel. But remember breathing carbon fibre from some composite stocks is a no, no. The resins used in some composite stocks are bad ju ju also.

Allot of after market stocks are already big enough for the factory heavy barrel of a 40X but few will fit the safety and/or straight bolt of the earlier 722 style action. Each of these though are a easy fix.

Here's a picture of two 40X stocks. The top one is from an early 40X with the 722 style receiver with the low safety and straight bolt the bottom is the later 40XB or 700 style receiver. They are both basicly the same except for the cut outs for the safeties and bolt handles.

 

[hudsongunner]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

Don,
I finally took the time to take the stocks off my 40X's and my .308 GAP Rock for comparison. My 40X's have the 700 action. The badger lug is thicker but it fit the M40-A1 htg stock. It would require bedding and bottom metal to fill the inlet but it seems like it will be a fairly simple job. the barrel seemed snug but still free floated in the stock.

I am still not sure if it is worth the extra cash. I will see how they shoot from the wood furniture and decide after seeing the groups.

Thank you for you help.

-Paul

 

[hrt4me]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I recently bought a Rem40X HB and a used McMillan HTG stock with Williams bottom metal, and luckily my rifle dropped right into that stock. Now I plan to take it to Connor McLeod/Celtic Rifles for minor adjustments and tuning. Now I just need to sell the factory wooden stock and all the iron sight mounting bases I took off the Rem40X...

 

[hudsongunner]

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I just won this on Ebay for $270 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280546253636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I think I can make it work. Bedding will be easy and I thing the 788 lug is the same as the 40X. I just need to figure out what to do with the bottom metal. Most likely will just need to find 788 bottom metal. Anyone know what the difference is between the 788 and 700 inlet?

Worst case is if it does not work out I can just re-sell it.

 

[hrt4me]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just won this on Ebay for $270 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280546253636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT</div></div>

Nice!

(but if it happens to not work out for you, then please let me know because I think I could use this for a project...)

 

[hudsongunner]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

will do...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B. Melick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just won this on Ebay for $270 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280546253636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT</div></div>

Nice!

(but if it happens to not work out for you, then please let me know because I think I could use this for a project...) </div></div>

 

[AlabamaShooter]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I did entertain the idea of getting a McMillan A1 for mine when I first got it. Kept mine in the wood stock, just shot too damn good, and didnt want to mess with it.

 

[darkstar]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I own now and have had many 40x 22's over the years. The only reason I have sold any of them was to upgrade to pristine ones for collection purposes.
I have been around many after much money and effort has been put into them to mod them all in the name of increased accuracy. They dont "outshoot" my stock 40x's at any distance. They are one hole shooters from the factory unless there is something wrong with the ones you have.

Unless you have money to throw around just because or you have to just do something different, just shoot them as is for a while. You should be pleasantly suprised.

 

[hudsongunner]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

Darkstar,
Do you mess with the "barrel tention" screws on the end of the stock or just leave them backed out?
Thanks,
Paul

 

[hudsongunner]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

Looks just like mine, but will have a Leupold M4 M1 10X40 when it arrives sometime this week.

It's funny, I shoot a lot of .308 and really enjoy long distance shooting but I am really looking forward to shooting these .22s and seeing what they can do. I feel like a big kid.

 

[darkstar]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Darkstar,
Do you mess with the "barrel tention" screws on the end of the stock or just leave them backed out?
Thanks,
Paul </div></div>

Like I said, just leave it alone and shoot it for a while with different ammo.
Let the rifle tell you if you need to adjust them, but ONLY after you have shot it for a while with different ammo and get to know it. Those screws can help and hinder accuracy. Hopefully no happy fingers have been playing with them without understanding them before you got them!!

The whole "you have to free float" is rimfire nazi bull! That goes for the 40x's and also Winchester 52's. All my 40's are bone stock, shoot 1 hole groups and personally, I like them that way.
One of the most accurate 22's I have ever owned is a bull barrel 1956 Win 52C and it is all stock and has the factory barrel band. Every one keeps saying I have to free float the barrel. Why? It shoots 1 hole groups as well as any free floated / heavily modified 40x's or 52B, C, D or E's I have ever owned or been around.
KEEP IT SIMPLE AND ENJOY IT (IMHO)
40x's are not just Heavy Barrel rim fires, they are sweet rigs.

Wait a minute, now that I think about it, Mod and Butch it up so my box stock beauties keep appreciating in value!!
Just kidding...
Well, maybe not.

Oh yeah, as time goes by if your kid would rather have a rattle or a power ranger action figure as opposed to the extra 40 you have there, drop me a line

 

[hudsongunner]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I will take your advice and shoot it factory as is. If it shoots that way then great...I like the way they look and would love to save the cash.

As for my kid, My wife and I are hopeful that he likes surfing, diving, spearfishing, shooting, camping and all the stuff we enjoy but we joke that with our luck he will grow up to be like the brother from The movie Wedding Crashers....if that happens I will let you know when I am ready to sell the gun. And hopefully it will have gone up in value.

Thanks again,
Paul



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darkstar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Darkstar,
Do you mess with the "barrel tention" screws on the end of the stock or just leave them backed out?
Thanks,
Paul </div></div>

Like I said, just leave it alone and shoot it for a while with different ammo.
Let the rifle tell you if you need to adjust them, but ONLY after you have shot it for a while with different ammo and get to know it. Those screws can help and hinder accuracy. Hopefully no happy fingers have been playing with them without understanding them before you got them!!

The whole "you have to free float" is rimfire nazi bull! That goes for the 40x's and also Winchester 52's. All my 40's are bone stock, shoot 1 hole groups and personally, I like them that way.
One of the most accurate 22's I have ever owned is a bull barrel 1956 Win 52C and it is all stock and has the factory barrel band. Every one keeps saying I have to free float the barrel. Why? It shoots 1 hole groups as well as any free floated / heavily modified 40x's or 52B, C, D or E's I have ever owned or been around.
KEEP IT SIMPLE AND ENJOY IT (IMHO)
40x's are not just Heavy Barrel rim fires, they are sweet rigs.

Wait a minute, now that I think about it, Mod and Butch it up so my box stock beauties keep appreciating in value!!
Just kidding...
Well, maybe not.

Oh yeah, as time goes by if your kid would rather have a rattle or a power ranger action figure as opposed to the extra 40 you have there, drop me a line </div></div>

 

[darkstar]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

Congrats to you and your wife on the birth of your son!

Enjoy the 40x's. I am around them a lot and I dont know of anyone that does not enjoy shooting them.

 

[OFIS]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

I bought my 40x as a 'trainer' but it just may be the only gun I never touch any of the screws on, or sell for a quick buck. Its damn near flawless for being 44 years old. Watch out, they nice ones cost you more money when you have to buy something else to bang around at the range with...

As for your questions:

1: Despite iron sights, It will give my scoped 308 a run for its money with at 100y. Bone stock.

2: When I first got it I disassembled it for cleaning (turned out unnecessary) and for kicks, wanted to pop it in my A5. It was good to go except that the A5 was not inletted on the left side for the Redfield sight base.

The HS PSS model stock (like the M24) is cut down on the side for this base and would work without alteration (to the stock). But if you're just going to put a scope on it, the for sale section is your oyster...

 

[hudsongunner]

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What is the correct torque setting for my 40X action screws? Is 65in/lbs too much?

 

[hrt4me]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the correct torque setting for my 40X action screws? Is 65in/lbs too much? </div></div>

+1, I would like to know as well...

 

[donws2]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hudsongunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the correct torque setting for my 40X action screws? Is 65in/lbs too much? </div></div>

Depends on the rifle. The front screw gets a lillle more torque than the rear and the center screw just needs to be tight enough to hold fast. You can tune the rifle a little by play with torque values.

Donald

 

[hrt4me]

Re: 40X .22 trainer keep wood stock or re-stock

On RimfireCentral, they told me to torque the front action screw to 15 in-lbs and the rear one to 20 in-lbs (or maybe I have that reversed...?)