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.416 Barrett

crebrosseau

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Hey, I was looking into building a .375 CT and then heard the components are hard to get due to various companies involved going under. I plan to hand load my own ammo and hopefully shoot past 1k one of these days. Any ways, short story long, to be honest I want a rifle I can shoot every couple months and something larger then a .338 (just 'cause I can). Is a .416 the way to go? As in availability of reloading supplies and the such. BTW, I don't want a .50, I'll pass. Any other suggestions? Worse case I'll just go with a .338 Norma, like I said though, I want something bigger. I appreciate the help.
 
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Perhaps a 300 RUM ? The reason why I mention it is because with the Remington Ultra Mag .You can neck it up to 338 Edge, which would save you tons of money in reloading components . I don't have any experience with these two calibers, but take it for what its worth… As far as performance goes, I believe their neck to neck. Now , I do have two friends I served with . One has the 338 Norma and the other has the 338 Edge. And they both "swear" they have the best rifles they've own ! But it really comes down to shooters preference . If you can afford the 416 Barrett , and reloading it . By all means do it ! Good luck!
 
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The .416B is based on a .50BMG case, so for all intents and purposes it will be just like having a .50 - same large, heavy rifle and muzzle blast.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GNSRSCRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I plan to hand load my own ammo and hopefully shoot past 1k one of these days. Any ways, short story long, to be honest I want a rifle I can shoot every couple months and something larger then a .338 (just 'cause I can). Is a .416 the way to go? As in availability of reloading supplies and the such. BTW, I don't want a .50, I'll pass. Any other suggestions? Worse case I'll just go with a .338 Norma, like I said though, I want something bigger. I appreciate the help.

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This begs a couple questions. What is it your trying to accomplish with a big bore rifle? I understand you just want one and it is your money. But big bores exist to do work well beyond the 1000 yard mark. For standard LR work (1200 yards and less) the big bores really hold not advantage and are impractical. Which brings me back to the whole money thing. While I understand and appreciate the thought of it is your money and you can do what you want with it, I also am of the opinion that I don't like spending money that I don't need to. If it were my dime I'd find a more practical and economical solution.
 
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i would just shoot 50 bmg , less bullshit , if you buy a 416 or 375 , you'll need custom dies , dies that will be expensive (though , i think hornady is making some 416 amax bullets...) Load data for 416/375 is hard to find ,hard to find published g7 bc's, its even hard to find decent data for the bmg, the 416/408/375 would probably be something i would aviod , it could turn into a headahce if you cant find ammo , or if you are overpressuring your ammo , shit like that.

The AR50 is a good way to go , tested , proven , no hassle , no BS, pretty "cheap"

why dont you like the bmg ?

have you thought about the 338 lapua mag ? not a bad choice either. I see lots of guys shooting those at 1000y

you dont need a 50 bmg or 416 to shoot past 1000 yards , a 6.5mm or 300 mag , or 7mm will do the job , if you get the 140gr vld bullets to move around 2900 fps , your drop at 1000y is around 20-24 moa , which is pretty good , most 308's will drop 30-40 moa at that same distance.

my 50 cal has about the same drop at 1000y as my 6.5mm , around 20 moa , but the 6.5mm doesnt beat up your shoulder , doesn't cost anywhere near as much as the 50. The 50 has its advantages though , the splash is much easier to see compared to alittle .30 cal splash.

maybe you knew all that though ,

its really a path of least resistence questions , if you go with something "rare" or unusual , you might run into problems , problems you might have trouble fixing. If your trying to do a project , or something different with a 416 or 375 build , i would understand. But you'll be shooting faster if you go with a bmg. Look at it like this , lets say you build a custom 416/375 and you dont like it, or find yourself in need of money , you'll probably have trouble selling it and the reloading stuff. But , lots of people own BMG's , so you'd have better luck re-selling 50 bmg then 416 stuff.

but , i think lee makes 416 die , titanreloading.com i believe

 
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The big reason I don't want a 50 is I want a round with a higher BC, I already shoot my 700 to a thousand and I was looking for something that can shoot well beyond that (2000+ yards). I'm not knocking any of the .338 rounds, I just want something with higher energy down range. Not for any practical reason other then I can. A friend of mine is building a .338NM and chances are I'll just go with that but I was just curious, the cost of reloading equipment isn't a big deal as I already have a complete setup. I'm not worried and case size, muzzle blast, recoil and all that. Just something with a higher BC then a .50. I appreciate you guys' input.
 
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Bertram will be exporting to the US there very good 375 and 408 brass so Jamison brass going out of business wont be a problem soon and now that Cutting Edge are producing very nice new high BC ballets for the 408 and 375 this these 408 based rounds should be worth looking at again for your new project.
 
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I am a 408 shooter and have no problems with the guns. I even thought about the 375 for a rebarrel that is coming shortly, but the lack of "good" high bc bullets is negating that idea fast. 408 or 416 stuff is everywhere, I would do the 408 over again. JFI, we currently have 3 of them in our house.
 
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I do believe the 416 is he ballistic king, IF there are bullets out there for it worth shooting. I know that was the limiting factor in the past, and due to that, the 375ct was the real king.

You keep saying you dont want a 338 but you'll probably end up building a 338 Norma. You do know that the 338 Lapua and 338 Norma are for all intents and purposes, balisticall equal, yes?
 
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I have to concur with Rocky Mountain and Azprc. I too have a 408 CT and can always re-barrel later down the road to a 375. There are also bullets for the 408 with a bc of 1.003 ! People here have great ideas, but again . Its going to be ultimately your decision on what you choose ...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do believe the 416 is he ballistic king, IF there are bullets out there for it worth shooting. I know that was the limiting factor in the past, and due to that, the 375ct was the real king.

You keep saying you dont want a 338 but you'll probably end up building a 338 Norma. You do know that the 338 Lapua and 338 Norma are for all intents and purposes, balisticall equal, yes? </div></div>

I was under the imression the .338 Norma uses a 300gr round with a higher BC then a .338LM. That's a whole other issue though. I appreciate every one's help. The big deciding factor now between 375, 408, or 416 will just be availability of brass and bullets. Any one here reload 416? Where do you get your stuff? I see some Barrett ammo is loaded with a 450 gr Hornady round but I don't see it on the Hornady site?
 
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I was under the imression the .338 Norma uses a 300gr round with a higher BC then a .338LM. That's a whole other issue though.

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No both cartridges utilize the same bullet selection. However the 338 Lapua was designed around a 250 grain bullet while the 338 Norma was designed around a 300 grain projectile. But if the chambers are cut correctly neither gives anything up to the other.
 
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The 338 LM in 300 gr. has a BC of .785 that is pretty good I use them in my 338 Win Mag and push them around 2780 or just a tad faster sometimes. I have shot out to 1760 yds. No Problems that 300 gr. bullet is moved very little by the wind or at least seems to me that way. Granted the win mag is not the LM but the ballistics are close and the reload cost is over 3 bucks a round cheaper. Right now it cost me a $1.75 to load a round of 300 gr. ammo part of the higher cost is you don't find much of that brass laying on the ground at the range so with have to buy new cost is up . I have 2 more rifles yet to add to my stock and that is the Barrett 50 M82A1 and the Savage 110 BA .338 Lapua Mag.Then my safe will be complete but probably not there is always that one more you wish to have..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GNSRSCRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The big reason I don't want a 50 is I want a round with a higher BC, I already shoot my 700 to a thousand and I was looking for something that can shoot well beyond that (2000+ yards). I'm not knocking any of the .338 rounds, I just want something with higher energy down range. Not for any practical reason other then I can. A friend of mine is building a .338NM and chances are I'll just go with that but I was just curious, the cost of reloading equipment isn't a big deal as I already have a complete setup. I'm not worried and case size, muzzle blast, recoil and all that. Just something with a higher BC then a .50. I appreciate you guys' input.

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750 amax for .50bmg - has a 1.050 published bc value, thats quite respectable,, they are a bit pricey though.
 
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Although I shoot none of the above I have been in a similar dilemma and was swayed towards .338 Lapua or 50BMG due to availability. Unless you plan to hand load 50BMG is going to be a lot cheaper. I was recently able to find xm33c for $22.50/10RD box. I also have seen the hornandy 10RD box with Amax's for $45. Amax's do have a good BC in 50BMG, or at least that's what I have read.
 
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I can get .50 AP and FMJBT for around 50 to 60 cents a piece. The AP is very accurate even with pulled and sized projo's. It is more time consuming than it is expensive at this point. Actually cheaper than most you have named and it will still knock holes it 1/2 mild steel at distance.
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I have to agree with a lot of the previous posts. The .416 is going to basically be your 50 BMG with just a little less recoil and blast, but we aren't talking much.

I shoot .375 Cheytac and it is very capable for 1000+ yards because Cheytac designed it for over 2000 meters.

If you don't have a problem with money or availability I would put in a recommendation for the .375 Cheytac. The problem is that ammo is only available through Cheytac right now. I am really hoping in the near future that they will pick up some distributors and let Hornady load .375 but it doesn't seem like that's happening now from what they told me on the phone. Anyways, ammo is $6.50-$7.25/round from Cheytac.

.338 Lapua is a sweet round for 1000-1500 yards from my experience. I didn't own one for long because I sold it to try out the .375. Even the .338 is a bit expensive for ammo but a lot more available than the .375 or .408.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do believe the 416 is he ballistic king</div></div>

If you read this section of the Hide regularly, you'll see that's not quite the case. It looks great on paper though.
 
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Like you I wanted a fun gun for 2000 yards plus and was prepared to reload and wanted therefore to do it as cheaply as I could.

The 50BMG case did'nt appeal because of the amount of powder.

I knew it was being eclipsed by the .375 Cheytac which was cheaper to load for and had good performance from none monolithic solids.

My thoughts have'nt changed. Cases can still be acquired from various sources and I have the skills reloading wise to neck down either a 408 or 505 case if need be. If you have good reloading skills the .375 CT is an obvious choice.

The main thing with the .375 CT is that it could be described as a 375/505 wildcat ... it is not a unique invention. The strengthening of the case wall and base of the case for pressure is not a patentable change. It is still based on a long established 505 case. So there is no intellectual property surrounding the case and these can and will flow from other manufacturers and there is nothing Cheytac can do about it. They may have to be called .375/505 or whatever if the trademark is an issue but what the hell ... they will still chamber and fire the same.

The bullet design has been patented for a few bullets ... but there are a myriad of other bullets out there ... and distinguishing from a patent design is so easy that Cheytac's ability to challenge the other designers is minimal to none existant.

The main thing is that ballistically this cartridge gives the best performance ... something that will ensure it's longevity ... and it does so quite a bit cheaper component wise than the cost of running a .416.

Don't let the hulabaloo between certain companies put you off. I have read their pleadings and a lot of what is happening is because of direct contracts or loan agreements between these companies. These are not therefore precedents which will stiffle the ability of others to fill the gap. I am a lawyer who specialises in IP so I know what I am talking about. A 375 CT or AKA a 375/505 is a much better answer to what you want to do than a .416 if you are a reloader.

If cheap factory ammo is the key then the 50BMG may well be a better choice.
 
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It all depends on what you need it for. If it is just for ringing steel at long range, it would be far cheaper to shoot a 30 caliber 200-240 grain bullet.

Both the 375 Chey Tac, and the 416 Barrett are very expensive to shoot. By using a 30 caliber cartridge where you might be able to launch a 220 grain bullet at 3000-3200 FPS, you would be able to do alot more shooting, alot cheaper. 30-378 Weatherby using a 1-10 twist and a 26-30 inch barrel ought to work out pretty well.
 
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I'm about to take the 375 CheyTac plunge also.

There seem to be some good solids available for it.. LeHigh has a 350gr with G1 BC of .941... going about 3200fps ought to do the trick. I know there are others, including Lutz Moeller's 408gr bullet pushing over 1.2 BC possibly available for it also.... wow. It would require a really fast twist to launch that 3" long bullet, however.

It won't be my first long range rifle but, it will be the longest range rifle. I love to reload and tinker so, the ammo is already a labor of love.

The one I shoot the most right now is my 300wm but, I want one of the baddest boys on the block so, the 375 will be it.

Good thread, Guys.

Also, I've read a little bit on loads but, don't have too much info yet.

I've been hearing with the 350gr bullets to begin with 130gr of Retumbo and go up from there? Would you guys think that is a safe place to begin? I've heard of guys putting 140gr+ for some loads.

LOL that's like loading 50 rounds with a pound of powder.... AWESOME!!! haha
 
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Yea, for factory ammo I would run the 50 BMG. The ammo seems to be getting cheaper and I have seen some places let them going for $50 a box of 20 during sales.

I wouldn't be too worried about the companies going under either, it isn't like every company would stop making the round all together. Someone is always going to have stuff available for the 375 CT. That's my opinion at least especially since the .375 is receiving such high performance reviews.