6.5 Creedmoore as SHTF caliber...?

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I think I know the answer to this one... but have at it! Is the 6.5 becoming popular enough that I would be able to find it on any gun shop shelf before Long? Doesn't seem like its losing any popularity...
As I said in a previous post... ranger Rick down the road ALWAYS has .22, .270, .308, and 30-06 on the shelves... haven't seen a box of 6.5 creedmoore :/
 
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In the case of SHTF - I don't think that you will find any ammo on any shelves anywhere. Just look at what happened this Jan and Feb.
Folks that bought armfuls of ammo are now offering it for sale on line and I think some of it at a loss.
 
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Name Enough said:
In the case of SHTF - I don't think that you will find any ammo on any shelves anywhere. Just look at what happened this Jan and Feb.
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Absolutely agree! The notion that certain calibers will be "available anywhere" is a myth. Considering that the shortages of recent months were caused just by panic buying with no actual disruption in supply, you can only imagine how much worse a true SHTF situation would be. In a matter of days, you will have only the ammo that is already in your possession. That's it.
 
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If this is for a bolt gun - just stock up on components. In a SHTF a odd caliber wouldn't be my main go to gun anyway. I would rather have a .308, .223 or 30-06.

There may not be things on the shelves -but other people will have things to trade. Your going to have a hard time trading for compoenents that are much more rare. Hence the common recommendation to stick with the most common calibers - especially in something like a battle rifle - where your going to need more quantity of ammo.

my .02
 
#6
I've been thinking these things all along. You guys have been great! Thanks a lot!
6.5 is tempting me but I just can't ignore the .308 calling my name.
 
#7
IDK, I've found some less common calibers are kinda handy during these mad rushes, for instance, I've had zero problems finding .257 projectiles through this whole mad rush ordeal, so I've been shooting my 25 DTI without much worry since. That said, I had a healthy stock of powder, primers, and brass for it as well.

However, when it finally starts coming around the lower use stuff is the last to come back into stock. For instance 6.5mm 142 SMK's are nearly impossible to find. While LR target shooting is a big section of the market it's still nowhere near in the realm of .224 and .308 Projectiles and therefore it's lower on the list for restock.

Either way in a true SHTF scenario, 556, 308, 9mm, 45ACP, 12 gauge and 22LR ammo is all going to be worth it's weight in silver, and especially ammo/weapon/magazine commonality is going to be supremely important/handy. It's why I like to always make sure I have at least one AR variant capable of running 556 nato, either a 45 or 9mm handgun, as well as a 12 ga. in the stable.

All in all, best bet is to have your own stash of ammo set aside for your weapons along with plenty of spare parts and magazines for them.
 
#9
If SHTF any .308 or .223 caliber would be as good as the next if you can roll your own ammo. If it came to it you can take apart any caliber round and load your brass as long as you have primer, brass, powder and a projectile. Regardless of the caliber you choose the main thing is being able to salvage what you find. You're more likely to find .308 then .223 so if you're really looking for a 1 rifle in case SHTF, anything in .308 that you can reload would be sufficient with 30-06 leading the charge as far as ammo you might find in any hunter's house in America.

Though I believe the likelihood of this coming to pass is slim to none.
 
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Perhaps this discussion is neglecting something. A TRUE SHTF moment will be accompanied by mass hysteria, and the shelves will be bare of anything most likely. The point of having a common caliber (ie. .308, 223, 30-06) isnt because Walmart will have it on the shelf three days into a civil unrest/war, after you've shot up your stockpile fending off looter's and Democrat's. The point is to have a gun that fires a common caliber, so after zombie hoard's eat the brains of your neighbor, you can gather up his stash of deer ammo and use it on their godless un-dead souls. Point being, after a SHTF event, most ammo shopping you do, will be done rifle in hand. Therefore owning a quality rifle in a common caliber increases your odd's of finding suitable ammo, not to mention appropriating a fine supply of food and water, as well as establish your reputation as a bad MF'er among the non flesh eating babes that remain. Leaving you alone as the next Chuck Norris to repopulate the world, and get to cleanin the shit off a that fan
 
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Good point. So now I'm wondering, what SHTF cartridge best says I'm a bad MF to all the still as yet not un-dead looters? Any nouveau bad-ass can recognize a 5.56 NATO "bullet", should I set myself apart from the not yet un-dead masses by making a statement with a less popular weapon? Perhaps a sawed off model '94 in 30-30? Still very easy to find but says "I can buck trends like the bull I rode in on!" Or maybe a bolt gun in 220 swift, "I'm smart enough to know simple is better, and with this flat shooting laser, I don't have to worry about ranges!" I dunno, I think maybe image is at least as important in the post apocalyptic social hierarchy. Don't forget to store spare wardrobes. You wouldn't want to run short on leather vests, football shoulder pads, and studded wrist wraps.



Man, my cheek and tongue are both super sore now.
 
#13
6.5 creed is becoming very popular...everyone I speak to either has one they just got, has one on order or has caught the bug and are currently considering one. I don't think you'll see it in wal-mart just yet....but the caliber is quite unique in that there is reasonable priced match ammo produced by Hornady and the load recipe is on the box.

I think it has the potential to become as popular as FGMM....only time will tell. We all have some level of A.D.D.......we want the latest and greatest toy or caliber at the time. We'll just have to hide and watch.
 
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coldboremiracle said:
The point is to have a gun that fires a common caliber, so after zombie hoard's eat the brains of your neighbor, you can gather up his stash of deer ammo and use it on their godless un-dead souls. Point being, after a SHTF event, most ammo shopping you do, will be done rifle in hand. Therefore owning a quality rifle in a common caliber increases your odd's of finding suitable ammo, not to mention appropriating a fine supply of food and water, as well as establish your reputation as a bad MF'er among the non flesh eating babes that remain. Leaving you alone as the next Chuck Norris to repopulate the world, and get to cleanin the shit off a that fan
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Haha I like this post :cool:

You know, if you actually live long enough to collect ammo off your neighbors, you probably will be able to collect their guns too. So, since that won't be a problem, and since you'll probably only survive a few days longer than your neighbors anyway, you might as well buy whatever caliber you actually want to shoot before SHTF. ;)
 
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coldboremiracle said:
Perhaps this discussion is neglecting something. A TRUE SHTF moment will be accompanied by mass hysteria, and the shelves will be bare of anything most likely. The point of having a common caliber (ie. .308, 223, 30-06) isnt because Walmart will have it on the shelf three days into a civil unrest/war, after you've shot up your stockpile fending off looter's and Democrat's. The point is to have a gun that fires a common caliber, so after zombie hoard's eat the brains of your neighbor, you can gather up his stash of deer ammo and use it on their godless un-dead souls. Point being, after a SHTF event, most ammo shopping you do, will be done rifle in hand. Therefore owning a quality rifle in a common caliber increases your odd's of finding suitable ammo, not to mention appropriating a fine supply of food and water, as well as establish your reputation as a bad MF'er among the non flesh eating babes that remain. Leaving you alone as the next Chuck Norris to repopulate the world, and get to cleanin the shit off a that fan
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Yes I agree, ammo isn't gonna be sitting on shelves but rather in the hands of individuals. Thus ammo/component procurement will likely depend on trade, which will likely be easier to achieve with the more common calibers.
 
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Any SHTF scenario will be a bloodbath.................For about 6 weeks. All those unspanked, undisciplined, used to getting their way cubs out there will band together, and take whatever they want by force, these gangs will be whittled apart fairly quickly. So they will either be dead or will wise up to the fact that it is unhealthy to be a brigand. I will bet more on the former. And the rest of us can go back to living in 1840. No power, no fuel.
 
#18
For SHTF you want a caliber that will enable you to re-supply through battlefield recovery, ie .5.56 and .308, possibly even .300 win.

Even with the ammo shortage I've always seen 7mm RM on the shelves here.
 
#19
The battlefield resupply idea has merit IMO.

What I learned during the great ammo crisis of 2013 was how important it is to have a slightly oddball caliber. You couldn't get a good deal on 9mm, .45, .223, or .308 anywhere. Luckily I had stocked up on components.

I bought a 7mm Mauser and was able to find ammo online and some shops. Bullets were available in my area as well.


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#20
Just keep a 1000 rounds on the self at any given time and you should be fine. Unless you are taking a shit load of classes or shooting competitively that round count will give you more than enough for a precision rifle.
 
#21
Funny how folks talk about ammo on the shelves. I can see the Feds blocking all shipments from ammo mfg, let alone production.....just saying. Simpler yet, they can just ban sales....

How much ammo can you store? How long will your food and water last you, while you protect that hoard? If the SHTF, it may just be a matter of time, before you meet your maker. If it gets that bad, I want my Bible.....as I will be thinking of my Exit Strategy
 
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6.5BR said:
Funny how folks talk about ammo on the shelves. I can see the Feds blocking all shipments from ammo mfg, let alone production.....just saying.
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Under what circumstances do you see that happening?

Civil war? Zombie apocalypse? Falling Skies/Jericho/Revolution/One Second After/The Road/Mad Max or some variation thereof?

And while not directing this toward 6.5BR...

"SHTF" scenarios are little more than an exercise in mental masturbation. Time and time again, we've seen 'SHTF' to be natural disasters like hurricanes, snow/ice storms, and earthquakes...or semi-SHTF setups panic buying due to a terrible gun crime and politicians pushing legislation that cause folks to buy up every round in sight, especially for common calibers like 223 & 308. The closest 'real' SHTF that we've seen in the US over the last few decades are the LA Rodney King riots, and those are not multi-week/month/year scenarios that many interweb preppers seem to envision when they ask this type of question.

If shit ever gets SO BAD that you resort to picking up ammunition off the dead...there are much bigger problems to deal with than having a 6.5 Creedmoor or even a 6BR instead of a 308.
 
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As popular as the 6.5's are, there will never be the amount of them laying around to compare with the more popular rounds. I would bet I could find 30-06 within the first two or three houses I encounter, whereas if I started asking about 6.5 creedmoore people will think I'm talking about a car or some other thing.
 
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coldboremiracle said:
Leaving you alone as the next Chuck Norris to repopulate the world, and get to cleanin the shit off a that fan
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Yup, that's me plan, guys, post up some pics of pretty girls in your area, so I can adjust my sense of urgency as to how soon I need to be there.

Threads like this are so fucking stupid, how many firefights do you think you can survive? That you're going to need all this ammo? If someone knows you have something of use, and tells 4 other people, how long will it be yours? And believe me, people know you have it!
Unless you're actually prepared to not set foot outside for 6 weeks, I think you're boned, and so am I. One mad dash to the root cellar, all you preppers, it's over, you're tits up in the yard, even under the cover of darkness.
 
#25
SHTF scenario, I'll be loading up all the 308 and 30-06 brass I've got. Oh, dont get me wrong, I've got plenty of brass and bullets and powder for my 6 Creed, but that thing is too damn heavy to be taking zombie heads off, hehehe
 
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milo 2.0 said:
Threads like this are so fucking stupid, how many firefights do you think you can survive? That you're going to need all this ammo? If someone knows you have something of use, and tells 4 other people, how long will it be yours? And believe me, people know you have it!
Unless you're actually prepared to not set foot outside for 6 weeks, I think you're boned, and so am I. One mad dash to the root cellar, all you preppers, it's over, you're tits up in the yard, even under the cover of darkness.
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I agree with this.....If "it" hits the whatever...I'll be happy to have ANY caliber in hand.
 
#28
THere has been the same 10 boxes of 6.5 creedmoor on the shelf at the local gun store since before Sandy hook, it was never touched. While it would likely never be restocked, there was at least some to get you by in my area.
 
#29
Although interesting, these SHTF scenarios are nothing more than a foolish thought experiment. It seems peculiar to me that nearly every man's idea of a societal collapse involves his survival amongst some rather stupefying odds.

However, I would like to say that no one has yet to mention barrel life of the 6.5 vs 308. Unless a man has all the necessary tools and parts to perform a barrel swap, I don't see him shooting sub-MOA groups with the 6.5 past 5,000 rounds. For a true survival gun, you need to consider the cartridges which are most popular in your area. I'd like to have a 260 some day, but I'll be sure to always keep a spare 308 barrel or rifle.
 
#30
Unless you're actually prepared to not set foot outside for 6 weeks, I think you're boned, and so am I. One mad dash to the root cellar, all you preppers, it's over, you're tits up in the yard, even under the cover of darkness.
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You have obviously never been in combat before. Most people, including many soldiers, cant shoot straight, especially when they know they could be shot at in the process.

To answer the OP's question, no, a 6.5 would not be a good choice. IF and I say IF we had a SHTF moment come you obviously want a common caliber. You will always be able to find ammo for it because so many people have stockpiled so much. My guess when considering manufacturing capacity and the shortages we have had, I bet there is enough ammo held by the general population to last for YEARS.

Think about this, we all know there are a lot more than 50 million guns in circulation, number is more like 100 million... But for conversation sake, lets say there are 100 rounds in the drawer for every gun (Using that 50 million number), that is 5 billion rounds. If there were 1000 rounds for every gun that is 50 billion rounds.

Here is a perspective of fact:

Lt. Gen. Levin H. Campbell, Jr., Chief of Ordnance from 1942 to 1946, proudly had this to say: From Pearl Harbor to V-J Day the Industry-Ordnance team furnished to the Army and 43 foreign nations 47 billion rounds of small arms ammunition
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So there is, most likely, currently more ammo stored by the general population of the US than what was used during the entire second world war.

That alone should make any patriot sleep well and any politician very very scared.
 
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Hahaha thanks guys. coldboremiracle... Ur a funny guy. I am aware that this post tickled some of your butt holes but whatever. Didn't think it would hurt to hear what my fellow keyboard commandos had to say.
I am in the decision making process for my current build... as of right now I do not have a hunting rifle because I stripped it and have a R700 long action sitting around. Just trying to gather some final thoughts before I go with a .308, 6.5C, or a 30-06. Best bet seems to be one of each....
I can attest to a slightly new caliber being helpful when ammo is scarce. .22, 223, and 308 ammo was no where to be found. But I always found ammo for my 17 HMR.

The superior ballistics of the 6.5C is so tempting. The history of the .308 is calling my name. And the power of the 30-06 is beckoning me. I shall make my final decision before the clock strokes midnight...
 
#33
FWIW, I have a couple .223's .308's and a couple 30-06's and one 300 WM... Would love a 6.5 but that is another caliber I have to buy dies for, brass for, bullets for, possibly powder for.. No way am I going to pay retail for loaded ammo. Where do you draw the line?

I bought a 6.8 spc and that turned out to be a bad decision so I am not likely to get a 6.5.

I think if you build your collection of firearms around the calibers of .223 and .308, you cant go wrong in any situation, normal day to day shooting and hunting, and God forbid some SHTF scenario.
 
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[MENTION=89931]RHunter[/MENTION], I agree with your statements. A real apocalypse of aliens, zombies, or government out of control will no doubt result in plenty of dead gun owners, thus leaving their stockpile unguarded in some situations. The only reason I'd bother going to a store would be due to marshal law, and therefore deep cutting discounts on whatever is between me and the envelope of my .308's. In the event of my untimely demise, I would expect every zombie hating patriot among you to take control of my humble stash, and direct it at those who suffer from lead or soul deficiency.
 
#35
RHunter said:
I think if you build your collection of firearms around the calibers of .223 and .308, you cant go wrong in any situation, normal day to day shooting and hunting, and God forbid some SHTF scenario.
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...unless you are trying to buy factory ammo or components when everybody and their uncle is panic buying the same in the months following a mass shooting. The popularity of those calibers can also be their liability.

I am curious, however, for those who own a 308 for "SHTF" - have you accuracy tested M80 in your rifles? Cuz something tells me M118LR/Mk.316 isn't going to be laying in piles, waiting to be picked up.

Neither will 260 ammo, but thats what a good supply of components is for...
 
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...unless you are trying to buy factory ammo or components when everybody and their uncle is panic buying the same in the months following a mass shooting. The popularity of those calibers can also be their liability.
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I have a hard time believing that if the SHTF you would be going online and buying 6.5 Creedmoor from Midway, or anything else for that matter.

So what good is the availability when you wont be able to order anything? You think your LGS would be open for business as usual when the SHTF?

I never had a problem when all the panic buying was going on, I had #32 of powder and 4,000 pills of various weights before all the shit happened, I still do not have a need to buy anything, I am just now starting to process the brass I have been shooting during all this BS we have had going on this year.

If you keep some stash for these shortage periods you can get through them just when the prices start to come down. .223 is now .45 a round when 3 months ago it was over a buck. Almost time to start buying .223 again.. Keep a couple cases and when shit gets scarce again you are set and don't need to worry about buying anything.
 
#38
BoilerUp, I was not being serious, thought it might happen. My point is, I agree, most SHTF talk is all theoretical. I doubt 90% would survive long if things really got bad. You have to eat and drink, and folks will kill you if they know you have food/water, let along a cache of lead/powder/brass, etc. One would be like a holed up rat....just a matter of time. That said, ammo/component availability IS a concern during Fear based hoarding...
 
#39
I've never been a big SHTF kind a guy. My bug out bag, is my house. I'm not going anywhere.

What I AM and have been doing for the last 25 years or so is the constant pursuit of the proverbial life time supply.
If tomorrow, there were NO MORE ammo or components, could I continue to shoot at my normal rate till I die?
That's MY SHTF scenario.

If don't shoot competitions and I rarely shoot my full auto stuff, how much is enough "for fun" for the next 25-35 years?
Maybe I'm there now but I'll still pick up anything if the price is right.
ANYTHING...
.50cal spotter pull down powder? I'm there.
.30 Carbine recycled primers? How many do you have?
I'll figure out a use for it.

I rarely cast bullets anymore but I have molds for every caliber I shoot, from .223 to the .50cal and 1000lds of Linotype.
If I could find a mold for my pellet gun, I'd buy it.

So, maybe one day my kids will have to figure out what to do with it all.
Would that be so bad?

And if the Zombie Horde DOES come...y'all be sure to put it all to good use.

PS. Get the 6.5
 
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I doubt 90% would survive long if things really got bad. You have to eat and drink, and folks will kill you if they know you have food/water, let along a cache of lead/powder/brass, etc. One would be like a holed up rat....just a matter of time. That said, ammo/component availability IS a concern during Fear based hoarding...
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Do you honestly think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones holed up like a bunch of rats? LOL

Somehow I think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones clearing the streets of vermin so we could get back to some civil order. Not only would we be clearing the streets, we would be the ones picking up the leftovers to use another day. I pity the punks that think they would be able to take me and some of my friends out, they will all have a very very bad day.

If anyone is going to be holed up like a bunch of rats it will be those who think civil disorder is a license for them to roam the streets raping and pillaging and trying to take good citizens stores by force.
 
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RHunter said:
Do you honestly think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones holed up like a bunch of rats? LOL

Somehow I think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones clearing the streets of vermin so we could get back to some civil order. Not only would we be clearing the streets, we would be the ones picking up the leftovers to use another day. I pity the punks that think they would be able to take me and some of my friends out, they will all have a very very bad day.

If anyone is going to be holed up like a bunch of rats it will be those who think civil disorder is a license for them to roam the streets raping and pillaging and trying to take good citizens stores by force.
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While I seriuously doubt any of this will ever happen, I agree again with ^this sentinment, and I intend on being prepared for it anyways.
 
#42
why not build a .308 ar and buy a 6.5 barrel. that way you could have 1 gun with the ability to run 2 calibers with a relatively quick barrel change. or better yet build 2 uppers and it would be a simple 2 pin swap. now you have me thinking about this. maybe a sbr .308 with an aimpoint and a heavy barrel 6.5 with a good scope for the longer shots
 
#43
6.5 Creedmoore as SHTF caliber...?

RHunter said:
Do you honestly think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones holed up like a bunch of rats? LOL

Somehow I think most of the guys on the Hide would be the ones clearing the streets of vermin so we could get back to some civil order. Not only would we be clearing the streets, we would be the ones picking up the leftovers to use another day. I pity the punks that think they would be able to take me and some of my friends out, they will all have a very very bad day.

If anyone is going to be holed up like a bunch of rats it will be those who think civil disorder is a license for them to roam the streets raping and pillaging and trying to take good citizens stores by force.
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And there's the fantasy wish fulfillment that clears shelves.

OP . . . Get whatever floats your boat, I say.
 
#44
Stock up on food and water, reinforce your relocating room/gunsafe /survival bunker, and pick whatever caliber you want to stock up on. Much more likely to use the bunker and supplies to survive a tornado, might as well have you guns and reloading equipment in a safe place rather than spread across the countryside.
 
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And there's the fantasy wish fulfillment that clears shelves.
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No fantasy, no wish, and I "don't clear the shelves". But if the SHTF I am sure I can do the same job I did when I was in the military in my own back yard, take out the bad guys and protect innocent people. Certainly can not rely on the police to do it.
 
#46
milo 2.0 said:
Yup, that's me plan, guys, post up some pics of pretty girls in your area, so I can adjust my sense of urgency as to how soon I need to be there.

Threads like this are so fucking stupid, how many firefights do you think you can survive? That you're going to need all this ammo? If someone knows you have something of use, and tells 4 other people, how long will it be yours? And believe me, people know you have it!
Unless you're actually prepared to not set foot outside for 6 weeks, I think you're boned, and so am I. One mad dash to the root cellar, all you preppers, it's over, you're tits up in the yard, even under the cover of darkness.
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Gee Milo, you are a ray of sunshine but unrealistic, MY root cellar is attached to my basement! LOL, just funnin ya bro! Seems to me that somewhere in the old testament, there was this guy that slew 10,000 with the jawbone of an ass.
 
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BoilerUP said:
Under what circumstances do you see that happening?

Civil war? Zombie apocalypse? Falling Skies/Jericho/Revolution/One Second After/The Road/Mad Max or some variation thereof?

And while not directing this toward 6.5BR...

"SHTF" scenarios are little more than an exercise in mental masturbation. Time and time again, we've seen 'SHTF' to be natural disasters like hurricanes, snow/ice storms, and earthquakes...or semi-SHTF setups panic buying due to a terrible gun crime and politicians pushing legislation that cause folks to buy up every round in sight, especially for common calibers like 223 & 308. The closest 'real' SHTF that we've seen in the US over the last few decades are the LA Rodney King riots, and those are not multi-week/month/year scenarios that many interweb preppers seem to envision when they ask this type of question.

If shit ever gets SO BAD that you resort to picking up ammunition off the dead...there are much bigger problems to deal with than having a 6.5 Creedmoor or even a 6BR instead of a 308.
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Or Katrina where there were far more shooting deaths than reported on the national news.
 
#48
BigCheese1 said:
Hahaha thanks guys. coldboremiracle... Ur a funny guy. I am aware that this post tickled some of your butt holes but whatever. Didn't think it would hurt to hear what my fellow keyboard commandos had to say.
I am in the decision making process for my current build... as of right now I do not have a hunting rifle because I stripped it and have a R700 long action sitting around. Just trying to gather some final thoughts before I go with a .308, 6.5C, or a 30-06. Best bet seems to be one of each....
I can attest to a slightly new caliber being helpful when ammo is scarce. .22, 223, and 308 ammo was no where to be found. But I always found ammo for my 17 HMR.

The superior ballistics of the 6.5C is so tempting. The history of the .308 is calling my name. And the power of the 30-06 is beckoning me. I shall make my final decision before the clock strokes midnight...
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What do you REALLY want to do with this new build? I dont have a 6.5 but a 6 Creedmoor, but I'd take the 6.5 over a 308 any day. Even if it's for any breed of deer out there.
 
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JGorski said:
What do you REALLY want to do with this new build? I dont have a 6.5 but a 6 Creedmoor, but I'd take the 6.5 over a 308 any day. Even if it's for any breed of deer out there.
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I REALLY want it to be a tack driver with readily available ammo. A shorter profile like 20-22" barrel. I will use it for everything from the range to rabbits for fun, up to Elk in Colorado, and everything in between. 6.5, .270, 30-06, and 308 are all options. I am leaning to 308 or 6.5C. Wanted to start with 308 and perfect my skills before going to the 6.5c which would cheat me since it provides superior ballistics. Kinda wanted the 308 to be my first precision rifle. Then go up to the 6.5.

Just need to work out the details on bottom metal and mag feeding for a long action while shooting a short action round..
 
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coldboremiracle said:
Perhaps this discussion is neglecting something. A TRUE SHTF moment will be accompanied by mass hysteria, and the shelves will be bare of anything most likely. The point of having a common caliber (ie. .308, 223, 30-06) isnt because Walmart will have it on the shelf three days into a civil unrest/war, after you've shot up your stockpile fending off looter's and Democrat's. The point is to have a gun that fires a common caliber, so after zombie hoard's eat the brains of your neighbor, you can gather up his stash of deer ammo and use it on their godless un-dead souls. Point being, after a SHTF event, most ammo shopping you do, will be done rifle in hand. Therefore owning a quality rifle in a common caliber increases your odd's of finding suitable ammo, not to mention appropriating a fine supply of food and water, as well as establish your reputation as a bad MF'er among the non flesh eating babes that remain. Leaving you alone as the next Chuck Norris to repopulate the world, and get to cleanin the shit off a that fan
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Word has been spoken ninjas....I have one of each in my stable and will rain hellfire and brimstone with both until I've expended all ammo and all options and mmy neighbors know I am a badmotherfucker cause its on my wallet.
 
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