Range Report 6.5 Creedmore Popul

[krw]

Several yrs back I had 2 custom rifles made. I wanted .264 to shoot the 100-123gr bullets. I made this decision based on I rarely shoot further than 600yds and wanted more velocity and flatter traj on the front end.
I looked at the 6.5x47, 6.5 Creedmor, and the 260.
I wanted the 6.5x47. Lapua brass avail and have never read anything bad about it.
But it came down to the 260 and Crdmr. I chose 260 because of Lapua brass availability and touch more velocity, but mainly because of Lapua brass.
Now fast forward several yrs. Why has the 6.5 Crdmr became so much more popular than the 260? It came yrs ahead, Lapua brass was on the market for years before Crdmr brass was introduced. Velocity edge goes to 260 as well.
I am tickled with my 260’s. I have enough brass put up for my lifetime.
What does the 6.5 Crdmr do that 260 cant do as well or better? Krw

 

[demolitionman]

Fasf forward to 2018; Nobody wants a 6.5mm anymore. The cool kids shoot 6mmCreed and 6mm47

 

[Rob01]

The Creedmoor surpassed the .260 because of support. Support from ammunition manufacturers like Hornady who offer excellent match and hunting loads for people who don;t load. Support from rifle manufacturers who built rifles with the right twists and barrel lengths and features people wanted. And support from the shooters who liked what they were getting. The .260 came out in 1998 and the Creedmoor in 2007. If Remington didn't screw the pooch with their support of the .260 then who knows what might have happened.

The two rounds are basically ballistically identical but no relatively inexpensive match ammo made for the .260 so if you are a shooter getting into the sport what would you choose? A round with a ton of ammo and rifles available or one you have to load for and hunt around for a decent rifle?

It used to be the .260 had the advantage in loading components as well but not anymore either. There is nothing wrong with the .260 so don't think I am putting it down or your choice to shoot it but just stating the facts of what is happening in the market to help answer your questions.

 

[tna9001]

I’ am shooting 6.5 CM because I can buy factory match ammo for $1.15 a round that gives me a SD in the mid 9’s and is very accurate. After I sell my once fired brass I’’ am down to .70-.80 per round without having to reload​​​​​​.

 

[Snuby642]

Waiting for the 6.5 creed police to sound the civil alert sirens.
Have been reading all of the 6.5 creed threads so my next build goes smooth.

Any of you cool kids that dont want to be embarrassed for possession of 6.5 creed can send the offensive and now evidently obsolete equipment
To me. At absolutely no cost whatsoever i will dispose of this refuse in an unmarked grave during a dark moon cycle and withhold origin in case the 6.5 creed police catch me in the act.

 

[Patty]

I shoot a 6.5 creed because i can shoot 140's at 2900fps without having mag length issues. Quality brass is plenty and widely available from many manufacturers. I shoot Savage pre fit barrels on my TL3 action and very often barrels will be on the shelf ready to go chambered in 6.5cm due to its popularity, as was the case with my current proof.

 

[308pirate]

Why is the 260 Remington not popular? Rob01 nailed it. What's the caliber's last name? Remington.........they fucked it up like they do almost everything else.

 

[260284]

I switched to the Creed from 260 because I feel it is more efficient. I am not trimming brass as much either. I will have some 260 brass to get rid of as soon as I get my inventory counted.

 

[krw]

Thank You for your opinion Rob01. It makes a lot of sense!

 

[surgeon260]

I shoot a 6.5 creed because i can shoot 140's at 2900fps without having mag length issues.

I have no problems with mag length in my 260 shooting Berger 140s. This is a non-issue for the vast majority of 260 reamer designs.

 

[Patty]

I have no problems with mag length in my 260 shooting Berger 140s. This is a non-issue for the vast majority of 260 reamer designs.

I've met plenty of 260 shooters who shoot 130's because they have issues with 140's. Obviously not the case for you and that's great, but it does happen and it simply doesnt exist for 6.5 creed. Thats all.

 

[surgeon260]

Not trying to pick a fight. Agree that due to the shorter case length, the Creed is inherently a shorter cartridge. This advantage is definitely pronounced for the super long 150 SMK and forthcoming 155 Berger if you want to maximize case capacity.

That being said, what is the actual fundamental problem you are suggesting exists with the 260 and 140s? AICS mag length is 2.88". What is the inherent problem to a 260 shooter loading a 140 to less than 2.88"? Is it that this induces a big jump to the lands (not true in my experience with three different reamer designs)? If you search for "COAL" on the 260 recipe thread, very few of the dozens of loads exceed mag length. And given the jump tolerance of the 140 Hybrid, I don't see why this would be a showstopper even with an exceptionally long-throated reamer. Is it that it forces you to seat the 140 deeper in the case, taking up case capacity? This also is not a problem in my experience; I can load a 140 as hot as I want to go with H4350 and have room to spare in the case.

Again, not trying to argue or pick a fight. I am genuinely curious why shooters think that there is some big problem with loading 140s to mag length or shorter in a 260.

 

[Patty]

Not trying to pick a fight. Agree that due to the shorter case length, the Creed is inherently a shorter cartridge. This advantage is definitely pronounced for the super long 150 SMK and forthcoming 155 Berger if you want to maximize case capacity.

That being said, what is the actual fundamental problem you are suggesting exists with the 260 and 140s? AICS mag length is 2.88". What is the inherent problem to a 260 shooter loading a 140 to less than 2.88"? Is it that this induces a big jump to the lands (not true in my experience with three different reamer designs)? If you search for "COAL" on the 260 recipe thread, very few of the dozens of loads exceed mag length. And given the jump tolerance of the 140 Hybrid, I don't see why this would be a showstopper even with an exceptionally long-throated reamer. Is it that it forces you to seat the 140 deeper in the case, taking up case capacity? This also is not a problem in my experience; I can load a 140 as hot as I want to go with H4350 and have room to spare in the case.

Again, not trying to argue or pick a fight. I am genuinely curious why shooters think that there is some big problem with loading 140s to mag length or shorter in a 260.

Its not all that complicated, just a matter of what I’ve observed vs what you’ve observed. And those two things are obviously different, nothing wrong with that. The shooters that I know that shoot 130s in their 260 do so because 140s loaded to a proper jump don’t fit in the mags of their 260s or get stuck under the feed rampnof their actions, for their rifles. That’s not a statement to encompass all 260s, but it’s not a sample size of one either.