6mm past 1000yds.

[Quickoz]

G'day all,

I've just bought a 6x47 Lapua F-Open rifle and besides shooting FO, ill probably try at some steel beyond 1000yds. What bullet are you guys using if anyone is doing it with 6mm and what's your loads and performance like? I was thinking of getting some 105gr AMAX to try.

Specs of rifle is:
28" Kreiger, 266 nk throated for 105gr class projies.

Any help would be awesome guys.

 

[2Shots]

Most of us 6mm shooters shooting that far will run the 115DTAC. You could run H4350 but with your barrel length you might try the H1000 or RL25 and extend the barrel life. What speed are you planning to run?

 

[anthonylapoint]

Either Berger or dtac 115's with 38.5 h4350. It's a good jump off point then for you to fine tune. Shoots flat

 

[Quickoz]

Speed, I'm not that fazed. I don't have the rifle yet (waiting on licencing). Ill be looking at what has best vertical at 600-1000yds and going with that. Ill get some 115gr DTAC if able. Unsure if I can get them here in Australia.

 

[excaliber]

Good luck trying to see bullet splash. Why so little of a cartridge for that kind of distance?

 

[Quickoz]

Well it's just something to try out. It will be used for FO but every now and then I get bush and can shoot 2000 or whatever so I just play. I will be doing up a 300WSM barrel for this rifle next year so that will do the ELR work I want.

 

[Jeffvn]

I shoot 1,900+ yards several times a month in the desert near Las Vegas using either a LaRue automatic re-setting target (11.5 inches wide x 17 inches tall) or a 3/8" AR500 armor plate silhouette (18" wide by 24 inches tall). One of the guys in our group shoots a 6XC and a 6 Dasher. He can and does hit very consistently on my 18x24 target (the LaRue is a beast of a target to hit from that distance in anything above a slight breeze.). He runs 115 DTACs, 115 Bergers, and the slightly smaller 105 or 107 Bergers at or above 3,000 fps. If you run the 115s they transition very well and you do not need to be concerned where they drop below the sonic barrier.

I run 7WSM, 7 Dakota, and 338LM Improved from the same location. My brother runs 284 Winchester, as does another of the guys in our group. The 7mms are running the 180 Berger VLDs or Hybreds at 2,900 fps or faster.

JeffVN

 

[Aimsmall55]

My shooting buddy runs r25 over a 115 dtac in a Gap 6mm. He shoots it all the time out to 1200 yards. That's all we got. Our altitude down here is only 400 asl so I'm sure the guys at 1,000 + asl can shoot a good bit farther. I must say I was very impressed with the dtac. Pm me if you need to and I'll give you his hide name. He's a great guy and I'm sure he wouldn't mind helping you out

 

[Jedi]

Is the Berger 105VLD the 115 killer?

some info you might find helpful

 

[zmann]

Has anybody mentioned the 105 berger hybrid yet?... and even better yet, Pointed? I was shooting mine out to 1200 and only took 3 misses to get on target. I was able to see the misses in the surrounding field, and could barely see the bullet mark on the white target. 43 gr of H4350 27" barrel

 

[Quickoz]

I was under the impression that the hybrids did not transition well due to the design. I will be trying to get some DTACs but unsure where to get then here in Australia.

I think if I can get then around 3000-3100 they should be good.

Cheers guys. Keep the advice coming by all means.

 

[xdeano]

Ive shot my 6slr with both 105 amax and 105 berger hunting past 1300 yds and was able to see my impact plain as day. They also grouped very well at those ranges. It sure supprised the heck out of me. I will tell you it doesnt carry much energy that far out.
Xdeano

 

[Quickoz]

I'm not chasing energy. Just looking to smack steel for some fun. A mate has about 300 105gr AMax that he got but his 10T won't stabilise them so im getting them. They will also make a good longer range hunting projie for small game. I won't be going after game beyond about 600-800yds but.

 

[xdeano]

Id give the 105 amax if youve got them. I know they do well in my rifle.
Xdeano

 

[Quickoz]

Deano,

I will do mate. What's you load? The 6SLR and 6x47L looks pretty similar. I will of course start lower and work up. Usual stuff.

 

[xdeano]

I'm pushing 47.4grns of H1000, rem brass, fed210Match. In a 24" barrel at 3050fps. no pressure signs, because I've ran out of room. A guy could use H4350 or H4831sc to get the velocity up in that 3100-3200fps without a problem.

xdeano

 

[steve123]

I've shot my 6x47/115DTACS out to a mile a few times. Other than wind, it does OK.

 

[xdeano]

I need to get my hands on some 115dtacs just to play around. I know the 105's do great out to 1300 but i'm right on that transonic edge and if I take it out past 1400 i know i'll be subsonic and i haven't played with them at subsonic flight. That's what the 338 is for.

xdeano

 

[-Fabien-]

Bonjour Quickoz,

I used to shoot my 6br (Lothar W. 26", ~2790fps with lapua manufactured ammo scenar 105gr) at 1000m. Group was 40cm (7 shot), about 1 1/3 MOA...without wind (maybe 1m/s, like nothing).
Later i reloaded with berger VLD 105, 2850fps but never tryed it at 1000m... i'm sure result could be better!!

Wind is the problem, that's it. Everybody know that

Have fun pushing those little missiles as far as possible.

Fabien.

 

[MajorHeadTrauma]

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[One-Eyed Jack]

Good luck trying to see bullet splash. Why so little of a cartridge for that kind of distance?

With a G1 BC of 0.6 and typical MVs of 2,950-3,150fps, the 115DTAC in 6XC or 243Win isn't anywhere near the end of its range capability at 1kyd. David Tubb shot 6XC to a mile offhanded a few years ago, there's a DVD somewhere about it.

 

[-Fabien-]

Good luck trying to see bullet splash. Why so little of a cartridge for that kind of distance?

No problem to see the bullet splash at 1000m in my leupold M1 16x40.

Little cartridges are cheap, accurate and bring you fun/challenge/difficulty, stuff like that...the goal is to deal/play with wind to hit the gong at the FIRST shot!! Shooting .338, similar or more powerfull are soooooo boring: every shooting session are the same (i mean for 1000m, ok?!)

Schuss.

Fabien.

 

[MTyotehunter]

I have really liked the Hornady 105hpbt. Had good conditions the other day and shot at 1300Yd, It was holding 5or6in out there!! I run them with H4350, My 26Lilja will run them up to 3170 without stretching brass but I hold them down at 3000fps. Should be putting up some one mile pics here some calm day

 

[VaRandy]

I am not a tactical shooter but benchrest and long range groundhogs. I have a pretty hot 6, a 7.55 x 55 Swiss shooting 105 Bergers at 3300 fps with Extreme accuracy.Powder is RE22, amount would not matter to compare to another cartridge. It is a hot shooter to 1300 yards.

 

[218bee]

VaRandy, are the 105 Bergers still supersonic out to 1300 yds? I would imagine its hard to determine this, but was just wondering..

 

[xdeano]

yes they should be supersonic at 1300 with his velocity, i know mine are with slightly less velocity out of my 6SLR.

xdeano

 

[Bronco]

Running the 105 Berger hybrid at 3050 using 39.1 gr. of N550 out of a 24" 6X47L they go subsonic around 1400, the VLD 105 transitions to subsonic very well for me, out of a 6 Dasher they are going 2970 and go sub around 1250, I consistantly get hits to 1400 with them.
Enjoy

 

[Kelly Jackson]

good luck finding any 115Dtacs. Last time I checked Tubb didn't even have them listed on his sight and they were taking no backorders a month ago.

Have been shooting 107 Serria BTHP in one 243AI (7.5 twist)with pretty good performance. Still shooting 115 Dtacs (8 twist) in another 243AI...just about out of them. Have shot the 115's out to 1415 yards several times now.


Got some of the 105 Berger Hybrids and will give them a go when I rebarrel.

regards
Kelly

 

[Captain Kirk]

I run the 115 DTACs out of a 26" tube and have used H4350, RL22 and RL25. RL22 and 25 are the slowest burning powder and that's what I would run with a 28" barrel. I was able to get the 115s to around 3150 fps with RL25 before pressure signs started to surface, but it was still a safe load. H4350 will start to show pressure signs around 3050 and it gets real sensitive real fast at the higher end. Also take a look at the Berger 105 Hybrids if you cant find any DTACs. On a side note, I run the BN coated 115s, powder charge needs to be approximately .2-.3 gr higher to achieve the same velocity as naked bullets, due to the reduction in pressure.

I have shot the DTACs out to 1400 yards with good results

Kirk R

 

[Quickoz]

How do the 107gr SMK go beyond 1000yds?

My rifle seems to like those as well as 105gr Lapua. I won't try hybrids after One or two ripped a jacket apart in my mates 243AI and they was only doing 3200fps approx.

 

[poison123]

How do the 107gr SMK go beyond 1000yds?

My rifle seems to like those as well as 105gr Lapua. I won't try hybrids after One or two ripped a jacket apart in my mates 243AI and they was only doing 3200fps approx.

The important part was probably....what twist was your buddies rifle?

 

[Alpine 338]

I few weeks ago, I took a few shots at 1200-yards with 105-Hybrids at 3000-fps. Virgin Nosler brass, Fed 210M with 45.8-gr of H1000 out of my GAP Crusader 243 with 25" barrel. I was able to see splash on white painted steel with the S&B 4-16. There was enough wind that kept me from trying 1500-meters. But at 1200-yards, the Hybrids performed better then I could have ever imagined. FYI - I was shooting at 7250-ft elevation ASL.

 

[bjay]

Interesting.. tag for later.