700P- What to do?

[45Badger]

I've got a 700P in .308 and an LTR in .308,. The LTR doubles as my deer gun. I had a 700P several years ago and sold it because I never got to use it at distances beyond 200 yards. I picked this one up a year ago with the idea of putting a decent scope on it and using it for longer range (out to 600 yards) shooting. Long story short- I moved,no longer have easy access to longer ranges,and it's sitting in the safe.

My question-

Out to 600 yards, what can a 700P do, that a LTR cannot? Thanks!

 

[KeithR41]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Nuttin'

41

 

[YN*Dotte]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Not a damned thing! If anything, the LTR is probably just as accurate or even more so, all though the 20 inch barrel will have a little less muzzle velocity (200 ft/s or so) depending on your load.

 

[Swift]

Re: 700P- What to do?

I've seen stock 700P's with a good glass shoot 1/2 MOA

 

[rrflyer]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Hurt your shoulder more from carrying it 600 yards and back

 

[RollinCoal11]

Re: 700P- What to do?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheRedPill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not a damned thing! If anything, the LTR is probably just as accurate or even more so, all though the 20 inch barrel will have a little less muzzle velocity (200 ft/s or so) depending on your load. </div></div>

Just curious, how would the LTR be more accurate then the 700p

 

[YN*Dotte]

Re: 700P- What to do?

The LTR has a fluted, stiffer barrel, so I would think it would have harmonics, it also has a faster twist rate than the police model, not that .308's are hard to stabalize or anything. but that was just my opinion BTW, I feel like I have had better results from my LTR, but not by much.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: 700P- What to do?

45 Badger,

Lot of mis-information already in this post.

The LTR and the 700P have the exact same barrel. Both are twisted 1-12". The LTR's barrel is fluted and cut to 20". The 700P's barrel is unfluted, and is 26" long.

Any accuracy difference's between the two rifles @ 600 yds, will be more a function of the care taken in assembly, fitting and bedding. Some LTR's will be more accurate than a single 700P, and some will be less accurate than another 700P.

The 700P will have slightly more velocity, but nowhere will it be 200 FPS difference. A 308 loses on average about 10-15 FPS per inch.

As far a stiffness goes, if you cut a 700P's barrel back to 20", it will be stiffer than the LTR's 20" barrel. The Fluting of the LTR's barrel does not make it stiffer, it just makes it lighter.

In short either will work.

Bob

 

[oneshot onekill]

Re: 700P- What to do?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">45 Badger,

Lot of mis-information already in this post.

The LTR and the 700P have the exact same barrel. Both are twisted 1-12". The LTR's barrel is fluted and cut to 20". The 700P's barrel is unfluted, and is 26" long.

Any accuracy difference's between the two rifles @ 600 yds, will be more a function of the care taken in assembly, fitting and bedding. Some LTR's will be more accurate than a single 700P, and some will be less accurate than another 700P.

The 700P will have slightly more velocity, but nowhere will it be 200 FPS difference. A 308 loses on average about 10-15 FPS per inch.

As far a stiffness goes, if you cut a 700P's barrel back to 20", it will be stiffer than the LTR's 20" barrel. The Fluting of the LTR's barrel does not make it stiffer, it just makes it lighter.

In short either will work.

Bob

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Thank you Bob... Saved me the keyboard time!

 

[carbinero]

Re: 700P- What to do?

I have read for 308 hunting bullets to perform properly, they typically need 1800fps, so at some distance the extra 100fps 26" would be preferable...would like to know!

 

[njlohmann]

Re: 700P- What to do?

If you want you can box up the 700P and sent it to me

 

[flyboy]

Re: 700P- What to do?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have read for 308 hunting bullets to perform properly, they typically need 1800fps, so at some distance the extra 100fps 26" would be preferable...would like to know! </div></div>

Do you always believe everything you read?

 

[pappy83]

Re: 700P- What to do?

At ranges of 600yds and less the LTR is going to do everything the 700P will. Velocity loss will not be 200fps, and hunting bullets will work just as well.

 

[45Badger]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Thanks for all the help guys. I think the 700p is gonna go away...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njlohmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want you can box up the 700P and sent it to me

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Keep an eye on MNguntalk. It might show up in the "for sale" section

 

[E3C3H3O3]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Don't do it. Don't sell it just send it my way and I will do a side by side comparison with a LTR for you and tell you the difference between the two. Seriously I never sell a gun I just end up wiswhing I didn't.

 

[carbinero]

Re: 700P- What to do?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have read for 308 hunting bullets to perform properly, they typically need 1800fps, so at some distance the extra 100fps 26" would be preferable...would like to know! </div></div>

Do you always believe everything you read? </div></div>

Nope, that's why I'm asking! OP says his LTR is a deer gun....Anything valuable to share?

 

[JamieD]

Re: 700P- What to do?

You could sell it to fund your scope, rings and bases, I know a safe it would fit nicely in : )

Just kidding, I have had both and the LTR is a really great all around rifle. It certainly isn't limited to 600 yards either. I shot my LTR .223 to 1000 several times and at 800 yards it was never a problem banging steel for fun.

It just comes down to what you want. You could always sell the LTR and set your 700P back to 23" or 24" with a nice new crown and spit the differance between the two.

Good Luck,

JamieD

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[45Badger]

Re: 700P- What to do?

OK guys, one final (maybe) question-

What difference in muzzle velocity will I see between the 26" and 20" barrels. If it helps, assume I'm using FGMM. How much drop/change in trajectory will that mean at 400 or 600 yards?

I'm leaning towards keeping the 700P, and up-grading my glass.

 

[TonyAngel]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Like the guy above said, you'll lose something around 15fps or so per inch, if you take a barrel and chop it. Have you clocked your rifles? Unless you've done that you really don't know that your longer barreled rifle is really giving you all that much more velocity. Right now you're assuming that the chambers and all other internal dimensions of your barrels are identical, with length being the only difference.

Personally, I'd take the handiness of the LTR to the next level and chop it to 16 or 18" and keep the 700p for the long distance stuff where having to hump it isn't a concern. What I'd do is get my smith to take enough off of the breech end to recut the chamber and take the rest of the length off of the muzzle end. If velocity is your concern, you'd be surprised at what a better chamber cut can do for you in the velocity department.

 

[Uncle Matt]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Keep'em both! Thats my vote. You may find somewhere to enjoy what they both have to offer. I have both and both have their ups and downs. The LTR is great for moving around in hunting. I don't care for the recoil of LTR on long days behind mine at range beats me up way more than my P.

 

[45Badger]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Thanks guys. To clarify, I'm planning on keeping both.

So.....if I lose 60fps (4"x 15fps) what does that mean in bullet drop over 400 and 600 yards. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new at this and don't know the math. Thanks!

 

[sr15match]

Re: 700P- What to do?

Good call on keeping both. I've had several of both over the years and it comes down to luck of the draw from Remington which will or won't be the better shooter. I've had the 26" tubes shoot well and the 20"'ers shoot just as good. It all depends if it was assembled on Friday afternoon, Monday morning or just before breaktime it seems.

Todd

 

[jeepwilson]

Re: 700P- What to do?

This is just ball park figures so Don`t take it to the bank.At 600yds going from a speed of 2820fps to 2760fps you are looking at 5 inches difference.Now that is a rough estimate not knowing you`re BC,actual velocity,elevation,temp.,wind speed,barometric pressure,etc.Don`t beleive anything til you shoot the same stuff through both guns and average the velocities.Who knows the LTR maybe faster than the P.I would take both out shoot the crap out of them with every ammo I could.Find out which shoots better and chop the other one down to 18" or if the LTR happens to shoot worse thread it and order a can for it.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: 700P- What to do?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45Badger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What difference in muzzle velocity will I see between the 26" and 20" barrels.
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You may see very little difference with factory loads.

Unless you are comparing barrels that were forged and chambered on the same line, on the same day the manufacturing tolerances alone can account for the velocity variation.

I have run a 26" and 20" Remington side by side at 1000 yards and not noticed an appreciable difference in where the bullets destabilized (168gr Match King).

It really comes down to a portability issue. If I was only ever going to shoot factory ammo at less than 800 yards I would have no problem going with a 20" LTR. However I don't like the feel of the stock on the LTR and I like to run hand loads with a little more push behind them for long range competition. When you do this, the velocity difference between the two gets larger. How much will depend on the powder type and the charge weight.