Have any of you had the opportunity to compare the 87gr Vmax to the 80gr VT yet? B.C.’s look very close between the two. Just curious if it is worth jumping from the 87 to the newer shinier 80. Looking at shooting them out of a 6mm Creedmoor at prairie dogs and coyotes.
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87gr Vmax vs 80gr Eld-vt
- Thread starter Hondo1
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I'd run whichever shoots better in your barrel/rifle. Both are solid 6mm options within typical varmint ranges (I'd expect extremely similar terminal results), but the BC/ballistic nod will favor the 80gr. 7gr lighter (faster) with a slightly higher BC and a heat-shield tip. The faster you push the 87, the more aerodynamic heat deformation you'll get. BC numbers may drop accordingly.
Since both are tipped, shouldn’t they both terminally expand at the same velocity? Or will that be hampered in the VT since there’s a cavity between the back of the tip and the front of the lead core?
Scheels looks like they have both in stock.
If getting a 243 win/6 creed built in an AR10 for this bullet, what is the recommended twist?
Just had 500 80gr VT’s delivered today. I’ll start load workups soon
Tikka T3x SA Carbon6 20” 6 Creedmoor XLR MG 4.0 NF NX8 2.5-20
Factory Hornady Varmint express 87g vmax 3050 avg vel SD 17 ES 40
Factory Hornady 80 ELDVT 3150 avg vel
SD 12 ES 25
87g vmax shot very nice repeatable 7-10 shot groups inside of 5/8” at 100 yds. Just now thinking if I took the time and measured bullet holes to center they would probably be 3/8-1/2” groups technically. Either way dead targets.
80g eld vt not as repeatable for me. 1.25” 10 shot groups at 100 yds. I wanted this bullet to work but it’s getting dropped for now.
Factory Hornady Varmint express 87g vmax 3050 avg vel SD 17 ES 40
Factory Hornady 80 ELDVT 3150 avg vel
SD 12 ES 25
87g vmax shot very nice repeatable 7-10 shot groups inside of 5/8” at 100 yds. Just now thinking if I took the time and measured bullet holes to center they would probably be 3/8-1/2” groups technically. Either way dead targets.
80g eld vt not as repeatable for me. 1.25” 10 shot groups at 100 yds. I wanted this bullet to work but it’s getting dropped for now.
26” barrel, h4350, 80gr VT,Prime brass. I did a quick pressure work up from 43.5 to 46.0
@ 46.0 primers were slightly flattened, no ejector swipes or any signs of brass flow, 3508fps average with 46.0
I’m going to work from 45.0 - 45.5 and see what groups look like next.
@ 46.0 primers were slightly flattened, no ejector swipes or any signs of brass flow, 3508fps average with 46.0
I’m going to work from 45.0 - 45.5 and see what groups look like next.
Because the 80 ELD VT has a flatter trajectory and goes splat much better on varmints. I’m getting 3150fps with factory 6 Creed 80 ELD VT’s out of my 22” Proof carbon barrel which is crazy flat to 500 yds (even 700 if needed).
I was going to start hand loading the 87 vmax until the factory 80 came out
Yea makes sense on speed. I use a 22-250 for coyotes and it’s going 3650 FPS.
In my mind if want to go long range with the 6 creed I feel like the heavier 108 bullet is gonna shoot better and buck the wind better than an 80 grain?
The 108 is a turd on p-dogs. On paper the 80 is the best of both worlds. Explosive performance on soft tissue, speed, and enough BC to have fun at distance. Time will tell if it works out as advertised.
Ok guys and gals I have a defiance tenacity with a 20in mullerwrks 10 twist barrel with .130 freebore and it will shoot the 87gr vmax into one hole and I do mean one hole some times a hole and a half. I’m pushing them 3300 on the money however it will not shoot the 80gr eld-vt bullets wat so ever they key hole and sound like they splash because it has a loud crack sound. I shoot suppressed and I have tried lots of powders also. I even bought a box of the factory hornady 80gr eld-vt bullets and it wouldn shoot those it didn’t help that they was stuck in the lands were I don’t have the sammi spec .183 freebore so if anyone has any idea or info on how to get these to shoot out of a 10 twist let me know 
Ok guys and gals I have a defiance tenacity with a 20in mullerwrks 10 twist barrel with .130 freebore and it will shoot the 87gr vmax into one hole and I do mean one hole some times a hole and a half. I’m pushing them 3300 on the money however it will not shoot the 80gr eld-vt bullets wat so ever they key hole and sound like they splash because it has a loud crack sound. I shoot suppressed and I have tried lots of powders also. I even bought a box of the factory hornady 80gr eld-vt bullets and it wouldn shoot those it didn’t help that they was stuck in the lands were I don’t have the sammi spec .183 freebore so if anyone has any idea or info on how to get these to shoot out of a 10 twist let me know
They are to long, you will need a 1:8”Ok guys and gals I have a defiance tenacity with a 20in mullerwrks 10 twist barrel with .130 freebore and it will shoot the 87gr vmax into one hole and I do mean one hole some times a hole and a half. I’m pushing them 3300 on the money however it will not shoot the 80gr eld-vt bullets wat so ever they key hole and sound like they splash because it has a loud crack sound. I shoot suppressed and I have tried lots of powders also. I even bought a box of the factory hornady 80gr eld-vt bullets and it wouldn shoot those it didn’t help that they was stuck in the lands were I don’t have the sammi spec .183 freebore so if anyone has any idea or info on how to get these to shoot out of a 10 twist let me know
Factory v match ammo with the 80 eld vt in my 20” arc bolt gun with 40 rounds on it runs 2880
What kind of speeds are you seeing out of the factory 87 and 80's out of a bolt gun? I have a 26" 7.5 twist stuteville and it shoots 108s great, 103s not so great. Wanting to try the 80s or 87s for more expansion and speed. What should I expect for speeds?
Not shooting the 80's, but the 87's atop reloader 17 in a 24" barreled 6 creedmoor are doing 3350, and shooting very accurately out to 6-700 yards. Likely will do well further if the wind isnt kicking up too bad
Very deadly on coyotes, but because of the thin jacket and 20 grains less weight, not as good a signature on steel targets when you get out to 700 ish yards compared to 108/109 grain ELDs that I also shoot.
Based on some of the above posters results or lack thereof, and the fact that I got 87's on sale recently at PV, I'll probably not try the 80 grain boolitz.
Very deadly on coyotes, but because of the thin jacket and 20 grains less weight, not as good a signature on steel targets when you get out to 700 ish yards compared to 108/109 grain ELDs that I also shoot.
Based on some of the above posters results or lack thereof, and the fact that I got 87's on sale recently at PV, I'll probably not try the 80 grain boolitz.
Not many dogs left in prairiedogs might as well pick up 100 bottles of water and try long shots ect. And have fun.. prairie dogs either they are protected and they over populated or they are poisoned, sickness ect.
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