A Philosophical Question

[Dougie308]

An acquaintance of mine was recently incarcerated in a mental ward for discussing suicide with a family member. I was there and can attest to the fact that while she does suffer PTSD related depression she made no attempt to carry out this act. Nor did she indicate that she had any desire to do so. Nonetheless she was forcibly removed from her home and locked up.

My question is; how can a society that condones capital punishment, allows abortions, and regularly goes to war and kills millions disallow someone from making a decision that it imposes on others without hesitation?

 

[Blutroop]

Simple.. she didnt ask the gov for permission to cast off her shackles permanently. Everyone in mental hospital or prison makes gov money.. no incentive for them to have actual justice.. they just doubled down on her. Please tell me her ptsd isn’t traced back to mil..?

 

[Maggot]

An acquaintance of mine was recently incarcerated in a mental ward for discussing suicide with a family member. I was there and can attest to the fact that while she does suffer PTSD related depression she made no attempt to carry out this act. Nor did she indicate that she had any desire to do so. Nonetheless she was forcibly removed from her home and locked up.

My question is; how can a society that condones capital punishment, allows abortions, and regularly goes to war and kills millions disallow someone from making a decision that it imposes on others without hesitation?

What state are you in? Commiefornia?

First thing Id do after release is find that family member and tell them 'You are no longer my family, fuck you and the turd you rode in on." Then break all contact with that one and any others who were involved. After a bit, Id hire someone to a a chat with the judge who signed the order. A very pleasant talk.

Philosophically speaking, it seems to me thats the one absolute decision that each of us has a right to. THough Id generally try to discourage one from that course, if your in horrible pain from terminal cancer...Adios amigos.

 

[Supersubes]

I read this post, and before I could formulate a response, I got sent a call that was very similar to what the OP described. I literally cleared this call 20 mins ago.

In my case, the guy was out in the middle of nowhere, with his wife trying to talk him down. He was armed with a handgun. Totally non-compliant, but my partner and I convinced him to leave the gun in the car and come out. Not an ounce of force used, we took him into custody, and we placed him on a 72 hour hold. This guy has a long history of mental illness. The three teenage kids still have a dad, and the wife still has her husband. Hopefully by hitting the reset button he gets another chance at sorting things out.

By the way maggot, no judge is needed for these things, its in statute.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Judgment call for all involved. I will say this, .gov should not keep records of people that get help either from family calling or from cops taking them in on a baker act... that how you end up with total slave control...

 

[Maggot]

I read this post, and before I could formulate a response, I got sent a call that was very similar to what the OP described. I literally cleared this call 20 mins ago.

In my case, the guy was out in the middle of nowhere, with his wife trying to talk him down. He was armed with a handgun. Totally non-compliant, but my partner and I convinced him to leave the gun in the car and come out. Not an ounce of force used, we took him into custody, and we placed him on a 72 hour hold. This guy has a long history of mental illness. The three teenage kids still have a dad, and the wife still has her husband. Hopefully by hitting the reset button he gets another chance at sorting things out.

By the way maggot, no judge is needed for these things, its in statute.

Thanks for the info. Didnt get a lot of info on the OP's friend, but it sounds like very different situations.

Yours was actively volatile and with a weapon. You all had every reason to take him in for observation. Job well done.

From the OP's post it sounds like the girl just casually mentioned suicide and the family member over reacted. Now shes stigmatized, maybe cant even own a gun, for Christ's sake.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Hmmm......

I reckon I've got some pretty good family and friends.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

We live in a nation where you can "abort" a full term, live born infant if in the hours after birth you decide to have the doctor murder your child in the name of "reproductive health". Even though it successfully left your vajay and no longer has crap to do with "reproduction."

In this world, doctors can prescribe fatal doses of drugs and assist in your suicide if you are expensive to treat and could cost your kids their inheritance, if you are un-treatable or if you are elderly and they need to free up bed space or you just want to die.

Every form of state approved murder is allowable in America EXCEPT using a firearm to kill yourself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is a fucking tragedy and should result in every gun owner in America losing their right to bear arms. Think about it, not one Dimmercrat on earth gives a shit if you step in from of a train or bus, hang yourself and no waiting period for rope will ever come. Drown yourself, overdose, smother yourself with a plastic bag and not one shit will be given,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BUT OMG, you used a gun!!!!!!!!

I'd rather people not kill themselves, but it is their right to do so. Leftists only care when it fits their agenda.

 

[oneshotmike]

I would think that someone who openly discusses suicide as a viable option is seeking help in some way, shape or form. Someone who is determined to kill themselves likely will. Many suicides are stopped each year by someone who has the intestinal fortitude to bring forth the concerns that are relayed to them. Everyone has a breaking point and some may need help. If people sat idly by, there would be much higher rates, which would be unfortunate. For each person that dies by their own hands, there are many more here affected and have to live with the mess left for them.
There is a problem with mental illness in this country. There is a fine line between "liberty" and "detention" when it comes to saving a life.
If you've never talked someone down who wanted to die, you would have difficulty understanding.
And last but certainly not least..............
Supersubes...... nice work!

 

[Maggot]

I would think that someone who openly discusses suicide as a viable option is seeking help in some way, shape or form.
Supersubes...... nice work!

In many cases but certainly not all.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

There are many shades, lemme splain.
The list as a friend of mine sees it:
Afraid to die.
Wishing you were dead.
Wanting to die.
Ready to die.
Unafraid of death.
Realization that death is unavoidable.

None of the above conditions is indicative of mental disease by itself.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

There are many shades, lemme splain.
The list as a friend of mine sees it:
Afraid to die.
Wishing you were dead.
Wanting to die.
Ready to die.
Unafraid of death.
Realization that death is unavoidable.

None of the above conditions is indicative of mental disease by itself.

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Ready to die.
Unafraid of death.
Realization that death is unavoidable.
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These last three items on that list are also remarkably different than the rest of the list. Most people who consider themselves warriors and protectors, ie., someone who will readily prison yard rush a gun-toting terrorist with only a knife in his hand, or someone who will readily run into a burning building to carry people out, possess all three of the green highlighted elements to varying degrees of each. Hell, gun owners possess much higher degrees of these three than the rest of the population. The fact that we do realize that death is unavoidable, and we are not afraid to face it in order to protect the ones we love, IS the reason why we stay armed. These three items are what separates warriors from lemmings.

To the topic of the thread: Suicide is one of the most selfish and irresponsible things that a person can do. I have personally watched a former coworker, a really great and outstanding guy too, spiral down the steep ramp after he made a few bad life choices. It started with drinking and slot machines. After he got terminated from his job as a loader operator in the concrete depot that I used to haul for, his life really took a turn for the worse. He began compulsively hitting the slots and other gaming machines to the point that he began to wean money off of his childrens' college savings to fuel his gambling addiction.

And then one day he asphyxiated himself to death with his truck running inside his closed garage. Left behind a beautiful and doting wife who had full hopes for her husband's return to normality even to the end. And 2 young children who are now fatherless. Had we found out that he was harboring suicidal thoughts? I, and the rest of the plant crew would have kicked his ass and then dragged him into intervention services. He would have been still here for his family today. That kind of shit never buffs out from your head even if you just remotely knew the person who did it. And we were all like brothers on that job.

Edit: Spelled "in" instead of "is"...

 

[Dougie308]

I think some of you may misunderstand my question.

For many, perhaps most, death is something to be feared and avoided. And life, no matter how difficult should be prolonged as long as possible. But some us, myself included, have met death on equal terms (I have been within a breath of death both accidentally and otherwise many times), come to terms with it, and would prefer to choose it rather than have it imposed.

As for myself, I have no religion per se. However, I do not see death as the end of anything. Rather just a change in state. So for me death just is. And I will go on on another path.

I agree that the decision to end one’s life is a selfish one. But then everything we do strictly for ourselves is selfish by definition. And we cannot expect others to fully understand what and why we think what we do. Only that they accept that what was done by ourselves for ourselves to be correct for us.

So for my friend’s sake I am appalled that she would be locked away simply for voicing a version of my comments above.

An acquaintance of mine was recently incarcerated in a mental ward for discussing suicide with a family member. I was there and can attest to the fact that while she does suffer PTSD related depression she made no attempt to carry out this act. Nor did she indicate that she had any desire to do so. Nonetheless she was forcibly removed from her home and locked up.

My question is; how can a society that condones capital punishment, allows abortions, and regularly goes to war and kills millions disallow someone from making a decision that it imposes on others without hesitation?

 

[W54/XM-388]

One thing for sure, is when ever that person gets out of the hell that is those evil mental health institutions, they will never want to try to ever get help again.

So they will then just deal with everything without any help till it all winds up the worst way possible.

Seen it happen.

 

[Maggot]

I think some of you may misunderstand my question.

For many, perhaps most, death is something to be feared and avoided. And life, no matter how difficult should be prolonged as long as possible. But some us, myself included, have met death on equal terms (I have been within a breath of death both accidentally and otherwise many times), come to terms with it, and would prefer to choose it rather than have it imposed.

As for myself, I have no religion per se. However, I do not see death as the end of anything. Rather just a change in state. So for me death just is. And I will go on on another path.

I agree that the decision to end one’s life is a selfish one. But then everything we do strictly for ourselves is selfish by definition. And we cannot expect others to fully understand what and why we think what we do. Only that they accept that what was done by ourselves for ourselves to be correct for us.

So for my friend’s sake I am appalled that she would be locked away simply for voicing a version of my comments above.

Thats about how I see it brother. Ive been a breath away myself, but what caught my attention was this: Some 50 years ago I was living in Texas and got word that my grandmother in Virginia had died. I walked outside and felt grief start to rise up. Right then I had a vision of her torso surrounded by golden light and she said "Dont grieve, Its so much better here, so much better." them it faded and I back in Texas. 10 seconds maybe? No drugs or alcohol involved.

Never feared death since then. Pain, yep. Death, no. Even a long black sleep would be ok.

And I too am appalled for your friend.