I am an open sight guy. I have zero experiance with regular scopes. I do; however, have experiance with the Trijicon ACOG. How hard would it be for me to learn a regular scope since I am a good shot with open sights? Should I just stick with an ACOG since I have to pay for this training and time out of my pocket? I want to run decent optics on a semi auto M14.
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Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
Why do you think a traditional scope would be significantly harder to learn or use than an ACOG or irons for that matter? You've got adjustments to factor in (magnification, focus, etc) but if you can effectively use irons it shouldn't even be a question.
Why do you think a traditional scope would be significantly harder to learn or use than an ACOG or irons for that matter? You've got adjustments to factor in (magnification, focus, etc) but if you can effectively use irons it shouldn't even be a question.
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
You should have no probelms learning a conventional scope. I know ACOGs have been mounted on M1As but be aware that some ACOGS have limitted eye releif and the mounting area on a M1A is limitted compared to an AR15 platform. See the photo for a comparison. Some ACOG guru may chime in with ideas. My M1A whears a Super Sniper 3-9 variable with FFP and mil/mil and is an excellent choice for any 7.62 semiauto.
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You should have no probelms learning a conventional scope. I know ACOGs have been mounted on M1As but be aware that some ACOGS have limitted eye releif and the mounting area on a M1A is limitted compared to an AR15 platform. See the photo for a comparison. Some ACOG guru may chime in with ideas. My M1A whears a Super Sniper 3-9 variable with FFP and mil/mil and is an excellent choice for any 7.62 semiauto.
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Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
I love ACOGs, I have owned over 10 of them. (I buy em cheap, turn around and sell them at a profit after I use them a year or two).
However I do not feel the ACOG is deal for the M14/M1a. After using a scope mount, then the ACOG mount, the ACOG sits high up on the M14, making cheekweld and consistance hard. Also you may have issues with eye relief on the M14.
I love ACOGs, I have owned over 10 of them. (I buy em cheap, turn around and sell them at a profit after I use them a year or two).
However I do not feel the ACOG is deal for the M14/M1a. After using a scope mount, then the ACOG mount, the ACOG sits high up on the M14, making cheekweld and consistance hard. Also you may have issues with eye relief on the M14.
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
I like that I can pick up a weapon with an ACOG and shoot without adjustment from 25-500 meters. I am affraid that a traditional scope will take a ton of time to learn and a ton of time to keep up with. I see it as the ACOG is something I can pick up and use right away. I can also spend time completly mastering it and pushing it out to 800 yards. I am also more concerned with speed shooting on a target than super accuracy.
Is there a stock that allows that acog to give you perfect eye relief/ check weld? Im just not looking for a glass beded set up or any of the super match components. I would love if I could successfully run an acog on a traditional standard M1A with walnut stock.
The new smith enterprises mini acog mount looks sweet!
http://www.desertwarriorproducts.com/M1A_M14_Scope_Mounts.html
I like to have one combat based weapon. I dont think that I could effectively employ a traditional scope in a combat situation. I doubt I will ever be in one again but I like to have one rifle set up just incase. Do you guys think I can employ a traditional Leupold as well as an ACOG without sniper school?
I like that I can pick up a weapon with an ACOG and shoot without adjustment from 25-500 meters. I am affraid that a traditional scope will take a ton of time to learn and a ton of time to keep up with. I see it as the ACOG is something I can pick up and use right away. I can also spend time completly mastering it and pushing it out to 800 yards. I am also more concerned with speed shooting on a target than super accuracy.
Is there a stock that allows that acog to give you perfect eye relief/ check weld? Im just not looking for a glass beded set up or any of the super match components. I would love if I could successfully run an acog on a traditional standard M1A with walnut stock.
The new smith enterprises mini acog mount looks sweet!
http://www.desertwarriorproducts.com/M1A_M14_Scope_Mounts.html
I like to have one combat based weapon. I dont think that I could effectively employ a traditional scope in a combat situation. I doubt I will ever be in one again but I like to have one rifle set up just incase. Do you guys think I can employ a traditional Leupold as well as an ACOG without sniper school?
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them.
Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them.
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them. </div></div>
I figured that an ACOG is the best compromise between an Aimpoint and regular scope. It would allow sight and fire at various ranges with no adjustment. For under 50 yards I would use a shotgun so this is mostly 50 yards out to 7, 800. Before I go this route, where can I fing info to decide if a Leupold scope is for me?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them. </div></div>
I figured that an ACOG is the best compromise between an Aimpoint and regular scope. It would allow sight and fire at various ranges with no adjustment. For under 50 yards I would use a shotgun so this is mostly 50 yards out to 7, 800. Before I go this route, where can I fing info to decide if a Leupold scope is for me?
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
I'm holding out waiting for the new S&B 1-8x24 scope for my M1A which might wind up being perfect for close up running around at 50 to 100m and then offer a quick zoom in for longer shots
Here is the google translation of the web page:
S&B 1-8x24
I'm holding out waiting for the new S&B 1-8x24 scope for my M1A which might wind up being perfect for close up running around at 50 to 100m and then offer a quick zoom in for longer shots
Here is the google translation of the web page:
S&B 1-8x24
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them. </div></div>
I figured that an ACOG is the best compromise between an Aimpoint and regular scope. It would allow sight and fire at various ranges with no adjustment. For under 50 yards I would use a shotgun so this is mostly 50 yards out to 7, 800. Before I go this route, where can I fing info to decide if a Leupold scope is for me? </div></div>
No stores nearby where you can fondle? Not enough info on the Leupold site?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a fast acquisition optic then you are not going to beat a red dot. That said, 25 meters would not be my optimal range for a .308 if you are really planning to shoot close range. If you are really planning to shoot out to out to 800 meters you probably won't be able to target as effectively as with a traditional scope that has a bit more magnification.
Like I said earlier, if you have skills to calculate bullet drop and deal with the wind at 300+ with an Acog, learning to use a conventional scope is easy. Most people start with traditional scopes so if learning was difficult then there wouldn't be so many people using them. </div></div>
I figured that an ACOG is the best compromise between an Aimpoint and regular scope. It would allow sight and fire at various ranges with no adjustment. For under 50 yards I would use a shotgun so this is mostly 50 yards out to 7, 800. Before I go this route, where can I fing info to decide if a Leupold scope is for me? </div></div>
No stores nearby where you can fondle? Not enough info on the Leupold site?
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
Please stop feeding the troll:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...407#Post2095407
Please stop feeding the troll:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...407#Post2095407
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
Be aware that the BDC on the ACOG is calibrated for a specific ammunition and if you are not shooting that ammo the calibration will be on for the range you shoot at. AT 800 yards it would be off significantly. I love ACOG's and have 4 on my 5.56 AR's but have to shoot the ammo they are calibrated. I also owm 2 M1A's and I put traditional scopes on them. I had a harder time getting used to the short eye relief on the ACOOG's than the traditional scopes.
Be aware that the BDC on the ACOG is calibrated for a specific ammunition and if you are not shooting that ammo the calibration will be on for the range you shoot at. AT 800 yards it would be off significantly. I love ACOG's and have 4 on my 5.56 AR's but have to shoot the ammo they are calibrated. I also owm 2 M1A's and I put traditional scopes on them. I had a harder time getting used to the short eye relief on the ACOOG's than the traditional scopes.
Re: Acog or traditional optic for an M14?
If you go the scope route look into the IOR Spartan for .308
If you go the scope route look into the IOR Spartan for .308
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