Range Report Advice please.

[CrispySqrl]

I know it is hard to tell for photos. But I would like some advise. I have watched some videos and read info as well, I practice often. I know for sure I need lots more dry fire time since I have some flinch still on some shots.

I was just trying to figure out if this looks like breathing and pulling the trigger wrong, I am sure the rifle should have some better groups in it. This is at 100 yards 6" target 155gr noslers

Thanks,
Darrell

 

[shootist2004]

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you could take the online training course.....

 

[CrispySqrl]

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I truly think I am at the point where I need somebody to tell me in person when I am doing it right or not. So that my future practice is done correctly. But I figured I would ask here. I have read every training thread and watched all the videos here and continue to rewatch them. Or are you talking about other online training?

 

[shootist2004]

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go to the first thread in Basic Markmanship...

 

[gstaylorg]

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I'd think about your group in the following way. Measuring from center to center to determine maximum spread, your 10-shot group comes in at ~1.4 MOA. However, without the the shot at the extreme right, you have a 9-shot group that's around 1.1 MOA. Remove three shots at right and you have a 7-shot group that comes in around 0.8 MOA, which is not bad at all. If you were really way off the curve, your group would have been 4" or 5". Fortunately, that's clearly not the case.

So what you really want to do is be able to shoot consistently like you did for 7 out of your 10 shots, except without the 3 flyers to the right. Your weapon is certainly capable of better as you stated, so it's just a matter of working on the fundamentals and getting in some quality practice at the range. Your groups will get tighter with time and practice.

 

[notquiteright]

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Proper prior practise prevents piss poor performance

Might not be too bad an idea to get some range time with an experienced coach or instructor.

 

[CrispySqrl]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd think about your group in the following way. Measuring from center to center to determine maximum spread, your 10-shot group comes in at ~1.4 MOA. However, without the the shot at the extreme right, you have a 9-shot group that's around 1.1 MOA. Remove three shots at right and you have a 7-shot group that comes in around 0.8 MOA, which is not bad at all. If you were really way off the curve, your group would have been 4" or 5". Fortunately, that's clearly not the case.

So what you really want to do is be able to shoot consistently like you did for 7 out of your 10 shots, except without the 3 flyers to the right. Your weapon is certainly capable of better as you stated, so it's just a matter of working on the fundamentals and getting in some quality practice at the range. Your groups will get tighter with time and practice. </div></div>

Wow that is like dead on measurements. Good eyeballing. Also this rifle is still very new 215 rounds and my last one was like new to it only has 400 from me shooting (my fiancee confiscated it for herself so built another) so I only have 600rds of .308 under my belt .22lr is the only other rifles I shot before this, and the Vortex scope is 80rds old, this group was the last of the 80 I shot that day the rest were similar just a little more spread out. I guess that says that I was getting better all day. I must have been doing it right. I will keep doing what I am doing get more dry and live practice and see what happens. 8/6 is the next day out, so I will report more then.

Thanks for the pointers/help.

 

[gstaylorg]

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Much as I'd like to have micron-accurate vision, the explanation is really much simpler than that. I grabbed and opened your target jpeg file and sized it using Acrobat until it was 6" across. Then I just measured the shot spreads center-to-center with a ruler. Not difficult; it took about 2 minutes.

Reason I did that was because it looked like a pretty decent group, with the exception of the flyers to the right. Getting some personal instruction would certainly be a great idea if you can find someone, but I think you're already doing fine. The online training here is also a great suggestion. Either of those options combined with more time behind your rifle and those groups will tighten up. Also, it is preferred here at SH to use 5-shot groups (rather than 3-shot groups) when posting precision/accuracy data. Nothing wrong with your 10-shot group in that regard, but you'll find a lot more group data here in the 5-shot category. So you might consider shooting three to five 5-shot groups (instead of a single 10-shot group) and determine the average maximum spread (center-to-center) of all the groups. That will give you a better basis for comparison of your progress to the majority of info you'll find posted here. Good luck!

 

[CrispySqrl]

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I have been dry fire practicing a lot since I started this thread it seems to have helped a lot. I went out yesterday conditions were great at the beginning of the day about 4mph winds no gusts. I was able to shoot a few good group before the nasty weather rolled in. This one is .594" using OnTarget. This group showing only breathing is in my way. So today is more practice and at 200yards so its will open up some and show more issues maybe.

Thanks again all,
Darrell

 

[CrispySqrl]

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Here is from today had some wind today, but managed to get some good groups at 200yds.

Looks like I figured it all out I just needed practice and still do of coarse but at least I am happy with the results I am getting.

I also caught myself after taking a shot I was jamming my shoulder into the rifle butt. I also am having an odd time with the loading the bi-pod at this point it seems if I just let the butt barely touch my shoulder I get good recoil control and seems I make tighter groups. I guess I need to do some looking in the training forums for info on this.

Thanks,
Darrell

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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I think that everything you have done, can do, and should do can be more economically accomplished, at a shorter distance, with a .22LR.

The thing you need is development in the marksmanship basics. This can only be done properly in the presence of a coach/mentor; and using anything more costly than a .22LR for the task is a gross waste of valuable resources.

IMHO, number of folks alive on this planet at any one time who can achieve marksmanship excellence solely by their own efforts is probaby countable on the fingers of one hand.

Greg

 

[CrispySqrl]

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If I could find someone to coach me that would be great. And funny you mentioned the .22lr I was just looking at bolt ones last night as well as possibly upgrades for my 10/22.