What I want to know is, if everything is perfect (npoa, trigger, breathing,ext) when I take my shot. After the recoil should my reticle go exactly right back where it was on the target when I take my shot or is it ok if it's off by a little bit?
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Re: after the recoil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know is, if everything is perfect (npoa, trigger, breathing,ext) when I take my shot. After the recoil should my reticle go exactly right back where it was on the target when I take my shot or is it ok if it's off by a little bit? </div></div>
If recoil is predictable then you can expect sight to settle back down to target. Making recoil predicable requires control over the rifle until recoil subsides to a molecular level. Placement of the non-firing hand, grip, butt-to-shoulder, stock-weld, and elbows must be consistent. In my experience getting the gun to settle down on target is not too difficult when NPA has been adjusted properly and artificial support comes from a tight loop sling. I'm talking about shooting from the sitting, or prone position.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know is, if everything is perfect (npoa, trigger, breathing,ext) when I take my shot. After the recoil should my reticle go exactly right back where it was on the target when I take my shot or is it ok if it's off by a little bit? </div></div>
If recoil is predictable then you can expect sight to settle back down to target. Making recoil predicable requires control over the rifle until recoil subsides to a molecular level. Placement of the non-firing hand, grip, butt-to-shoulder, stock-weld, and elbows must be consistent. In my experience getting the gun to settle down on target is not too difficult when NPA has been adjusted properly and artificial support comes from a tight loop sling. I'm talking about shooting from the sitting, or prone position.
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Thanx Sterling, that is exactly what I needed to know. About a week ago I signed up for the online classes, and I plan on going shooting this weekend. It will be my first shoot with my new found knowledge lol. So I just want to make sure I'm doing it right.
Thanx Sterling, that is exactly what I needed to know. About a week ago I signed up for the online classes, and I plan on going shooting this weekend. It will be my first shoot with my new found knowledge lol. So I just want to make sure I'm doing it right.
Re: after the recoil
9H,
You're harshing my buzz. I was in the mood to actually learn something this morning. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ban you for at least 2 hours for sucker punching me into that vid.
-Pat
9H,
You're harshing my buzz. I was in the mood to actually learn something this morning. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ban you for at least 2 hours for sucker punching me into that vid.
-Pat
Re: after the recoil
Uh maybe this link will be more helpful on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/user/SHLowlight?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/7/sqFH0A7Py1Q
Uh maybe this link will be more helpful on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/user/SHLowlight?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/7/sqFH0A7Py1Q
Re: after the recoil
Thanks 9H,
That was very helpful! I don't suppose you have a vid that describes what a proper cheek weld is do you?
Thanks,
-Pat
Thanks 9H,
That was very helpful! I don't suppose you have a vid that describes what a proper cheek weld is do you?
Thanks,
-Pat
Re: after the recoil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know is, if everything is perfect (npoa, trigger, breathing,ext) when I take my shot. After the recoil should my reticle go exactly right back where it was on the target when I take my shot or is it ok if it's off by a little bit? </div></div>
If recoil is predictable then you can expect sight to settle back down to target. Making recoil predicable requires control over the rifle until recoil subsides to a molecular level. Placement of the non-firing hand, grip, butt-to-shoulder, stock-weld, and elbows must be consistent. In my experience getting the gun to settle down on target is not too difficult when NPA has been adjusted properly and artificial support comes from a tight loop sling. I'm talking about shooting from the sitting, or prone position.</div></div>
Well that's fine if you're shooting what appears to be the smallish cartridges of that video, from a rifle having nearly the thickness of a Gustav railway cannon barrel. However, when you're handling something more substantive like an H&H or 378 bee sans brake, or maybe a 338 LM, it feels like the whole body gets stretched and compressed (starting at the shoulder) and even skidded into a non-immediately-recoverable position.
To what extent is an attempt at tight rifle control then going to enable you to immediately settle right back on target? Or does it become an exercise in futility at that point?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know is, if everything is perfect (npoa, trigger, breathing,ext) when I take my shot. After the recoil should my reticle go exactly right back where it was on the target when I take my shot or is it ok if it's off by a little bit? </div></div>
If recoil is predictable then you can expect sight to settle back down to target. Making recoil predicable requires control over the rifle until recoil subsides to a molecular level. Placement of the non-firing hand, grip, butt-to-shoulder, stock-weld, and elbows must be consistent. In my experience getting the gun to settle down on target is not too difficult when NPA has been adjusted properly and artificial support comes from a tight loop sling. I'm talking about shooting from the sitting, or prone position.</div></div>
Well that's fine if you're shooting what appears to be the smallish cartridges of that video, from a rifle having nearly the thickness of a Gustav railway cannon barrel. However, when you're handling something more substantive like an H&H or 378 bee sans brake, or maybe a 338 LM, it feels like the whole body gets stretched and compressed (starting at the shoulder) and even skidded into a non-immediately-recoverable position.
To what extent is an attempt at tight rifle control then going to enable you to immediately settle right back on target? Or does it become an exercise in futility at that point?
Re: after the recoil
It's not an exercise in futility. Consistent recoil follow through is an equally important variable in the accuracy equation; it becomes very important at extended ranges.
It's not an exercise in futility. Consistent recoil follow through is an equally important variable in the accuracy equation; it becomes very important at extended ranges.
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I absolutely love the second video and it completely proves the point I have made here several times in the past.
You will notice that the bipod is attached to the rifle via a cantilevered method, very much like the VersaPod is attached. There is a single point of attachement and the legs of the bipod are NOT directly below the fore end. That makes a HUGE difference in taming bipod hop.
The regular Harris bipod is the one that suffers from bipod hop because the fore end of the rifle is set on top of the two legs and the recoil impulse is uneven.
I absolutely love the second video and it completely proves the point I have made here several times in the past.
You will notice that the bipod is attached to the rifle via a cantilevered method, very much like the VersaPod is attached. There is a single point of attachement and the legs of the bipod are NOT directly below the fore end. That makes a HUGE difference in taming bipod hop.
The regular Harris bipod is the one that suffers from bipod hop because the fore end of the rifle is set on top of the two legs and the recoil impulse is uneven.
Re: after the recoil
the first vid almost made me move on to another thread,glad i stayed for the second though.good info.
the first vid almost made me move on to another thread,glad i stayed for the second though.good info.
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