Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

Tactical30

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I had just recently got into reloading, mainly for my AR's.
The first set of Dies I got were the Forester BR die set.
They worked fine but then my local gunshop had a big sale and had a Redding (A-series) .223 die set.
While reading the destructions (directions) It said you could also Roll/Taper crimp bullets <span style="text-decoration: underline">ONLY</span> if they had a cannalure or groove for crimping.
The directions also said to run the ram all the way up and the die all the way down with the seater plug backed out. I seen with the die ALL the way down it was too much of a crimp so I backed it out about a 1/4 to maybe a 1/2 turn and got just enough crimp to fold the neck to the cannalure.

Anyhow my question is, it says <span style="text-decoration: underline">ONLY</span> crimp bullets with cannalures or grooves for canalures. I tried putting a very minor crimp on some 77gr. Sierra Matchkings and they seamed to come out perfect but these bullets (77gr SMK) <span style="font-weight: bold">DID NOT </span>have a cannalure for crimping. Is this o.k. eventho the directions say not to? Is there a special crimping die for bullets without cannalures? I know they now make 77SMK's with minor crimping grooves.

Remember im just putting a very minor crimps on the bullets, just enough to bend the neck on the bullet slightly.

There are such horror stories a hear on this forum about not crimping and ALWAYS crimp for gas guns. Someone said they had a bullet blow up in their magazine and bulged it out like a pop can! Then I hear guys that never crimp.
The first 300rds I loaded and shot I had no problems w/o criming thm but shit can happen.

I know this question has been asked probly like a 1,000 times before.

Does it harm accuracy (crimping)?? I know the only way to try is to crimp some and no crimp on some and try them at the range.

Am I GTG????

Crimp the ones with the cannalures and no crimp on the bullets without cannalures the way to go or what?
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

You should be ok crimping the bullets without a cannulure as long as its a light crimp. It will degrade accuracy some. If someone blew up their gun after crimping, there was probably other factors playing into the spike in pressure. I crimp every bullet that I load for my autoloaders.

As far as the Roll/Taper crimp feature, I would think they are worried about getting the cartridge stuck in the die or over crimpimg
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

Taper crimping should not be INTO a cannelure. This type of die is quite often used where a light crimp is preferred or no cannelure is extant.

Taper crimping is necessary for auto handguns so that the cartridge can headspace on the case mouth.
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rookie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never crimp for my AR15. No problems, ever. Loads thousands. </div></div>

That's why you're a Rookie!

....couldn't resist.
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

Get a Lee Factory Crimp Die. Read the instructions in the Box.

Load your bullets

Put a light crimp on them.

Go shoot.


If your Worried about how much crimp your putting on your bullets. Pull Some after you crimp them and see if there are marks around the bullet or an indention.
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

Lee Factory Crimp Die is less than $20 and can be set for minimal crimp. I've been crimping 68gr Hornady BTHP they have no canalure and I've been quite pleased with the results.
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rookie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never crimp for my AR15. No problems, ever. Loads thousands. </div></div>

I agree.

I used to crimp, because that's what the book says you should do, but if you actually take the time to measure your FL or neck sizing dies, you'll probably find that you get a good .004"-.005" of neck tension on the bullet.

Crimping accurately, depends on cases being trimmed to the exact same length. If you have some long, there will be more crimp added. If you have some shorter than others, less crimp will be applied.

Crimping can be a pain in the ass and a pain in the ass that is unneeded.

I've actually measured my 223 Redding neck sizer and I'm at between .004" and .0045" of tension via THIS die with most of the common 223 brass brands (RP, Win., Federal.)

I've sat there and measured a non-crimped round and chambered it 3 times measuring between each bolt close and the amount of set back was .001" at the most. Remember, for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction, so while the bullet will slam into that feed ramp(s), and slam back into the case, the bullet's inertia will pull it back out.

IMO, assuming your sizing die puts that .004"-.005" of neck tension on that bullet, there is NO NEED to crimp rounds meant for an AR-15, or any bolt gun.

Now, if you're using a bushing sizing die and you're only putting .001"-.002" of neck tension on those semi-auto meant rounds, then all bets are off.

I do crimp a little for my HK-91, but that has a 3# bolt carrier doing its thing on the cartridge, so better safe than sorry, but that's a rare weapon to contend with.

Chris
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

I crimp all 223, either for bolt gun or for AR. I run it all thru my 550. The PSS will shoot pretty much one hole at 100 with 69 SMKs over 25 grs Varget and the AR stuff is loaded with 55 FMJs over 23 grs H335. I crimp .003 and have had no issues out of several thousand AR rounds and about a 1000 PSS rounds. I see no adverse effects of a light crimp. I shot a group at 392 yds this week with the PSS that was just under 2 inches, averaging around an inch. Hell that is better than I can shoot, it had to be the gun and ammo. I think I am gonna back off on the 335 for my AR, as they have a little too much recoil still for 3gun. LOL... HAs anyone ran them down to say 20-21 grs over the 55 FMJ bullets?
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

If you crimp and it works for you, you're <span style="font-style: italic">golden</span>. I've been reloading since 1976 and I've never crimped any rifle cartridges except those intended for lever-guns or dangerous-game rifles. That includes <span style="font-style: italic">many, many</span> rounds of ammo loaded for the M14 and M1A, M1 Garand, FAL, and various AR-15s. Never had a problem, either. I don't anticipate starting any time soon, either.

Like I said at the top of the post, if you crimp and it works for you, you've no reason to change. If it's causing problems for you like the OP, you may want to try not crimping and see how that works out.
 
Re: Am I crimping the right way? F%$&!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdgray</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also never crimp rifle cartridges, only for handguns. </div></div>

You don't have a rifle with a tube mag do you?