And it's China

[Alphatreedog]

So I came across a guy named Michael Von today . Gotta say that what he is saying about China . Answered a lot of quest ions about why and WTF in regards to the inner destruction of this Country .
Essentially it's a done deal .

China is implementing Belt and Road in the Americas . They've bought and paid for this administration and a fair number of politicians . The other Socialists see it as a dream come true and Washington is full of them .

China is building roads and bridges thru the Darien Gap for economic , military and asymmetric immigration warfare . The economic is our resources , farm and food production . The immigration is obvious and brilliant .
Change our population to subjugates . Destroy our economy due to the economic burden paying for these people and their crime . Replace a population of Constitution abiding people with people beholden to a government .

No Constitution and no guns . No rights . Crash an economy and you have an economically depressed population not a strong middle class . Poor people have nothing economically to lose . A strong middle class will fight for what they have . As this is phased in China will not have to war with a population to subjugates it . They will appear to be lifting the US up .
China actually wants our economy to crash to destroy the Petro Dollar and what's left of the US as a Nation . They hold all of our debt and they don't need our money . They want our country . They are directing ,supporting and the benefactors of our implosion .

It's a done deal . This is why there is no action or concrete effort out of anyone in Congress . They are either all in or in fear for their future .
We are performing Kabuki theater for the people in the Pacific . Yeah we're going thru the motions for allies and our own and we won't fire a shit against China .

Chinese civil engineers and fighting age males are pouring over both borders . Even landing on beaches in Florida from Bahamas .

The battleground is not our border . It's the Darien Gap . Hell China and the NGOs are in Panama . NGOs are Non Governmental Agencies .ie;
The UN , several taxpayer funded organizations actively engaged in recruiting and moving illegals into the US . Read as Asymmetric Immigration Warfare , it's a thing . Belarus was attempting it with Poland . Poland wasn't having it . But not here . Hell we're doing it to ourselves .
I trying to track down the titles and China has a book or two on their plans to develop the Americas . All of the Americas .

 

[AmmoFort]

Will they put boots on the ground ever, or will they just rule through their/our traitor proxies? Sure they own a heap of politicians, but they’ll never have control over this nation nor its patriots. They can’t get a grip on tiny Taiwan, but they’re going to take all of America? Nope.

 

[Alphatreedog]

Will they put boots on the ground ever, or will they just rule through their/our traitor proxies? Sure they own a heap of politicians, but they’ll never have control over this nation nor its patriots. They can’t get a grip on tiny Taiwan, but they’re going to take all of America? Nope.

It's in the long game .
They really do give collectively hundreds of millions to our elected .
The really are in South America , building a giant naval base is Venezuela , building Belt and Road projects and have a Military presence in Panama .
They process nearly all of our meat products . They are buying farmland .
They don't want to do business , they want to own .

 

[Bender]

It’s a war of attrition. Has been since the end of WWII.

We fought on the wrong side.

The communists won.

 

[wvfarrier]

This country is circling the drain

 

[Milf Dots]

Hey all you gun owners out there who might still recommend Ho1sun, Swimfux, 0lite, F3nix, N0rinc0, @rk3n, and other Chinese OEM manufacturers, many of which are part of China's Military Industrial Complex- How about rooting for the home team and not the commies?!

 

[IronSkillet]

could explain the many early recent departures from Congress both parties.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Hey all you gun owners out there who still recommend Holsun, Swampf0x, Olite, Feenix, Norinco, Arkin, and other Chinese OEM manufacturers, many of whom are part of China's Military Industrial Complex- GO FUCK YOURSELVES, YOU CUNT-ISH TRAITORS!

What US manufacturers 100% make their own RMRs. and don't have any product lines made in China?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hey all you gun owners out there who still recommend Holsun, Swampf0x, Olite, Feenix, Norinco, Arkin, and other Chinese OEM manufacturers, many of whom are part of China's Military Industrial Complex- GO FUCK YOURSELVES, YOU CUNT-ISH TRAITORS!

It would seem more fun and fitting actually to fight Chinese invaders with tools made by their own countrymen.

But really go to any store and look around, go to your house and look around, a huge part of what you will find is made in China, assembled in China, rebadged or repackaged Chinese cores of stuff, or has materials and components from China.

The USA corporations that folks love to go all jingoistic in claiming are so great, are the ones who built China's industrial base, wiped out jobs and manufacturing here and demanded everything be made in China for more profits. The "beloved" Walmart was at the forefront of that.

Also remember the most dangerous enemy is NOT China...
Using Chinese made equipment to fight the actual most dangerous enemy of your freedom is WAY better than not having the equipment you need.

 

[Keeper22]

Hey all you gun owners out there who still recommend Holsun, Swampf0x, Olite, Feenix, Norinco, Arkin, and other Chinese OEM manufacturers, many of whom are part of China's Military Industrial Complex- GO FUCK YOURSELVES, YOU CUNT-ISH TRAITORS!

This should stir shit up, are you not a traitor? I would bet that what you are typing on is not American made, if you drive a modern vehicle the chips that make it run are not American made, your appliances, tv and too many other things we all own are not 100%, American made. Who is the traitors? The companies that use Chinese parts to boost profit margins, the Unions that have caused labor prices to stifle the profit margins. Nope, the politicians that have got rich allowing and contributing to this process. We as a nation have sold our soul for convienance and our own profit. Make no mistake, I am not arguing with your point, just expounding on the big picture.

 

[babyguppy]

It’s a war of attrition. Has been since the end of WWII.

We fought on the wrong side.

The communists won.


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Bring to the light, some keep pushing into the dark.
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[UKDslayer]

It's in the long game .
They really do give collectively hundreds of millions to our elected .
The really are in South America , building a giant naval base is Venezuela , building Belt and Road projects and have a Military presence in Panama .
They process nearly all of our meat products . They are buying farmland .
They don't want to do business , they want to own .

They are also in Africa big time with Belt Road, giving relatively small cash to corrupt leaders to get accesses to resources, and making loans that can't be paid off.
I know I'm going to get an eye roll here; but one of my hobbies (if you call it that) are following the lion coalitions and prides in Africa. Natural lion populations have dwindled to an estimated under 20K - and even among "anti-poaching" protected areas EVERY one has been hit with some snaring/spearing etc. event - besides "trophies" the Chinese love lion bones for human medicine.

 

[Milf Dots]

What US manufacturers 100% make their own RMRs. and don't have any product lines made in China?

This is the part where you pretend people making my point are somehow defending western companies making stuff in China; Western companies having stuff made in China is bad enough- but your attempt at a moral equivalence to "Chinese OEM manufacturers"- is a FAIL every time it's trotted out.

Given the topic of this thread- China actively fighting a cold war to bring down our Republic, the fact you even tried to defend Chinese OEM manufacturers- some of which are part of China's Mil/Ind Complex- is astounding and speaks volumes of who you are.

Welcome to my Ignore List.

 

[n2ishun]

This is the part where you pretend people making my point are somehow defending western companies making stuff in China; Western companies having stuff made in China is bad enough- but your attempt at a moral equivalence to "Chinese OEM manufacturers"- is a FAIL every time it's trotted out.

Given the topic of this thread- China actively fighting a cold war to bring down our Republic, the fact you even tried to defend Chinese OEM manufacturers- some of which are part of China's Mil/Ind Complex- is astounding and speaks volumes of who you are.

Welcome to my Ignore List.

I'm not sure all that fixation you have going on is healthy.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Given the topic of this thread- China actively fighting a cold war to bring down our Republic, the fact you even tried to defend Chinese OEM manufacturers- some of which are part of China's Mil/Ind Complex- is astounding and speaks volumes of who you are.

Welcome to my Ignore List.

I think you are seriously lacking in information.

The Chinese are NOT the ones "to bring down our Republic".
The Republic you are thinking about is already long gone, already destroyed, already stolen from you under your very eyes by your own.

We are firmly and by all correct accounts living in an oligarchy, except not everyone realizes it.

I have the same amount of loyalty to American Corporations as the American Corporations have towards the American people...

I'll buy whatever I want from whoever has the best price / value for me in what I want and the options / features and products that I would like to have.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

This country is circling the drain

 

[DuneBoer]

China best be careful. If we get into a shooting war with them, all of a sudden we don't owe them a fucking dime.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The real threat is the famine he's predicting.

 

[Milf Dots]

This should stir shit up, are you not a traitor? I would bet that what you are typing on is not American made, if you drive a modern vehicle the chips that make it run are not American made, your appliances, tv and too many other things we all own are not 100%, American made. Who is the traitors? The companies that use Chinese parts to boost profit margins, the Unions that have caused labor prices to stifle the profit margins. Nope, the politicians that have got rich allowing and contributing to this process. We as a nation have sold our soul for convienance and our own profit. Make no mistake, I am not arguing with your point, just expounding on the big picture.

You are arguing against my point and that's why you ignored the bigger picture that is the topic of this thread- China actively fighting a cold war, at our southern doorstep, to destroy our republic from within; It's fascinating you chose to ignore that incredibly important topic, but just had to argue against my comment- you must have taken it personally.

Probably the best argument in favor of my anti-China position is that China has already stolen many industries from the western world and we should do everything possible to prevent them from hijacking more.

For those who take umbrage at my stance, they all stand on the same false premise- that buying "products of Chinese OEM manufacturers" is no worse than buying "products of western companies who may have products made in China, or use Chinese parts".

We can put that into a real world example in an industry dominated by China- laptops: One needs a computer, and they are looking at a Dell (American company) and a Lenovo (Chinese company). In this scenario the buyer can't find a computer that isn't made in China, and they need it right away for work or school- we've all been in situations like this with some sort of product. Now, with the Dell, as bad as it is that it's made in China, at least most of the purchase money would go to Dell (American company) and not the Chinese. With the Lenovo, almost all the money would go to China. That's the big difference.

We can also put that into a real world example in an industry not yet hijacked by China- electro optics: One wants a red dot or holographic optic to install on a firearm and is looking at Aimpoint (Swedish company), Trijicon (American company), Sig (American), Leupold (American), Elcan (Canadian), Shield Sights (British), EoTech (American), and H0l0sun (Chinese company). Now keep in mind this particular industry is NOT controlled by the Chinese, so it's a no-brainer for any sane patriot to simply not buy products of Chinese oem manufacturers- at least after reading the OP's comment and linked piece and realizing the importance of rejecting China.

Some of us were anti-China before being anti-China became cool. There is the communism. The authoritarianism. The slave labor. And remember- China allowed international flights out of Wuhan while they banned domestic flights from Wuhan, because they wanted to spread the Wuhan virus globally as fast as possible while simultaneously trying to minimize its spread within China. I know you realize that without the Wuhan virus the democrats wouldn't have been able to justify the thousands of election ballot drop boxes in swing states that facilitated the stolen election, and our republic would be stronger.

 

[n2ishun]

*looks at his Korean laptop ????

*contemplates chinese made leupold/sig/aimpoint/trijicon/eotech parts....

*picks up phone to order char shiu pork with white rice, a side of crab rangoon, and a 1/2 order of gyoza potstickers with ponzu sauce.

Have a nice day

 

[Milf Dots]

Shit, it just occurred to me- the few who argued against my anti-China comment are probably demokrats. That makes perfect sense because nobody else would do that in a thread about China fighting a cold war against us at our southern doorstep.

 

[brassninja]

China best be careful. If we get into a shooting war with them, all of a sudden we don't owe them a fucking dime.

No, the prez and too many so called repubs are too busy trying to give this country away thinking they get to keep what they have, I'll try this, It don't be that way!!

 

[Milf Dots]

@Alphatreedog

I tried to find Michael Von's stuff but no joy, then I tried a slightly modified 'net search and found him, but his last name is Yon and not Von.

Thanks for the thread- this is HUGE and an exigent circumstance.

 

[n2ishun]

Shit, it just occurred to me- the few who argued against my anti-China comment are probably demokrats. That makes perfect sense because nobody else would do that in a thread about China fighting a cold war against us at our southern doorstep.

Dewd.
The mental and emotional stability you exude is shocking at the very least.
I have to wonder if you're keeping Bear Owsley locked up in your cellar lab making product specifically tailored for you......and in large quantities.
Leonard Pickard is the guy in your attic.....right ?

 

[Steel+Killer]

Given the topic of this thread- China actively fighting a cold war to bring down our Republic, the fact you even tried to defend Chinese OEM manufacturers- some of which are part of China's Mil/Ind Complex- is astounding and speaks volumes of who you are.

Welcome to my Ignore List.

Ha Ha Wow Triggered much?

Please do put me on your ignore list you are clearly to insert (unstable, sensitive, off meds, mentally ill) to have an adult debate / discussion.

Once again thank you very much for putting me on your ignore list......

Oh, and BTW the Chinese didn't steel a fucking thing we handed it to them on a silver fucking platter!

 

[Steel+Killer]

Oh, and by the way @Milf Dots fuck Aimpoint wanting $800 for a $50 red dot sight they can go suck dick along with you!

 

[375fan]

Remember when Slick Willie gave China "most favored nation status" , this is when politicians went on the Chinese payroll and the selling out of our country began.
NAFTA =more nails in the coffin, as Ross Perot said "that giant sucking sound you here is American jobs disappearing "
Career politicians
Federal Reserve
Unsecured open border
Long list of reasons why this country is in trouble.

 

[375fan]

And along those same lines wasn’t Slick Willie the one that opened our Nuclear University programs to students from hostile nations?

Remarks on China

Yes,him and the Dems are owned by China. I still believe Clintons sold our military technology to them .

 

[ironpony52]

Look around at the younger generations. As "we" die off no one is replacing us. Two generations and it is over. If it is not on their phones they do not care. Work ? Ha send them $500 a month and they will be happy. Their plan is working perfectly. A little patience on their part and they have won.
Could "we" fix it ? probably but for what ? They will give it all back in two generations or less. They have broken the system and trained the kids thru education and propaganda.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Remember when Slick Willie gave China "most favored nation status" , this is when politicians went on the Chinese payroll and the selling out of our country began.
NAFTA =more nails in the coffin, as Ross Perot said "that giant sucking sound you here is American jobs disappearing "
Career politicians
Federal Reserve
Unsecured open border
Long list of reasons why this country is in trouble.

Yep, China has become the powerhouse it is today because we (collectively as a nation) helped them by the choices we have made over the past 50+ years. It didn't help when our parents and grandparents went to the stores and chose the $10 toaster instead of the $20 US made one, the $35 blender instead of the $50 US made one, the $50 vacuum instead of the $75 US made one, the $60 drill, instead of the $80 US made one, the $50 100 piece socket set instead of the $100 US made one the list goes on, and there are multiple reasons for it.

Politicians fucking the American worker, the EPA/Environmentalist fucking the American worker, Corporations fucking the American worker, Unions fucking the American worker, the IRS fucking the American worker, American workers fucking themselves, but you know who didn't fuck the American worker the Chinese worker!

You know who doesn't give a shit and will spend their hard earned money as they see fit because them buying a Holosun and having fun shooting the shit out of it isn't going to undo 50 plus years of this shit....... ....Me!

 

[supercorndogs]

I think it's interesting he said china owns all of our debt. They do not. It's also interesting he paints China as an economic super power when their economy was circling the drain before they were tasked with supplying fake PPE for the fake pandemic.

 

[IronSkillet]

Simply cannot blame Chyna for all of this mess. Go back it started with corporate greed that wanted to increase profits and started closing production lines in the US and moved them South to Mexico, Westinghouse is a perfect example, Union officials confronted executives at Westinghouse f exactly this and management denied it. The union had secretly sent people to film the production in Mexico. If we are going to hate on people in the 2A community for owning Chyna stuff I say the same holds true for Americans who decide they want to vacation in Mexico. Fuck Mexico they have obliged in taking our working class jobs and now produce inferior products that we bitch about needing repairs, they organize illegal drugs coming into our Country and most recentlyChyna fentanyl. So any of you who want to justify a vacation in Mexico because “ I can afford it and deserve it”, bugger offf!
America First!

 

[ironpony52]

Simply cannot blame Chyna for all of this mess. Go back it started with corporate greed that wanted to increase profits and started closing production lines in the US and moved them South to Mexico, Westinghouse is a perfect example, Union officials confronted executives at Westinghouse f exactly this and management denied it. The union had secretly sent people to film the production in Mexico. If we are going to hate on people in the 2A community for owning Chyna stuff I say the same holds true for Americans who decide they want to vacation in Mexico. Fuck Mexico they have obliged in taking our working class jobs and now produce inferior products that we bitch about needing repairs, they organize illegal drugs coming into our Country and most recentlyChyna fentanyl. So any of you who want to justify a vacation in Mexico because “ I can afford it and deserve it”, bugger offf!
America First!

We have one last cruise that was planned, after that we will not be leaving the US anymore

 

[wvfarrier]

China best be careful. If we get into a shooting war with them, all of a sudden we don't owe them a fucking dime.

Personally I think the US and the World should cancel all debt to China as reparations for Covid

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Stop!!
Some of you think you get it.
You don't.

Both parties have sold us all to China. But more important they've sold you to the globalists.
None of them are your friends.
They have not represented you, or your interests in my lifetime.
Its a big club, and you aint in it.
If by some miracle, one of us get in the club, you will do their bidding, or they will destroy you.

GYFL

 

[AmmoFort]

I think it's interesting he said china owns all of our debt. They do not. It's also interesting he paints China as an economic super power when their economy was circling the drain before they were tasked with supplying fake PPE for the fake pandemic.

@supercorndogs I remember seeing a chart maybe 5 or 6 years ago and what I recall is the biggest chunk of our nations debt is owed to our taxpayers in a round about way.

 

[oneshot86]

I don't see that the real problem is China.
The concern should be over the generations of Marxist ideologies that have been implemented into our education systems which has spilled over into the corporate boards.
We aren't going to be fighting the Chinese, they have it too good here as it is, why would they mess that up?
We are not going to be fighting blue helmets, well, not at first.
Remember when they were burning our cities when Trump was president?
Who was doing it?
European? No.
Chinese? No.

Our own people did that.
We will be fighting the green haired Marxist.

Bet me buckwheet

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I don't see that the real problem is China.
The concern should be over the generations of Marxist ideologies that have been implemented into our education systems which has spilled over into the corporate boards.
We aren't going to be fighting the Chinese, they have it too good here as it is, why would they mess that up?
We are not going to be fighting blue helmets, well, not at first.
Remember when they were burning our cities when Trump was president?
Who was doing it?
European? No.
Chinese? No.

Our own people did that.
We will be fighting the green haired Marxist.

Bet me buckwheet

 

[armorpl8chikn]

The real threat is the famine he's predicting.

Holy shit.
Thats one smart dude.

 

[Milf Dots]

Personally I think the US and the World should cancel all debt to China as reparations for Covid

Great idea.

 

[softcock]

Holy shit.
Thats one smart dude.

Great explanation given ..." China is not conquering by attacking taking over the world, but conquering by demographically becoming the world " .

 

[Threadcutter308]

Yes,him and the Dems are owned by China. I still believe Clintons sold our military technology to them .

Loral Space and Data Systems. I remember when it happened.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Stop!!
Some of you think you get it.
You don't.

Both parties have sold us all to China. But more important they've sold you to the globalists.
None of them are your friends.
They have not represented you, or your interests in my lifetime.
Its a big club, and you aint in it.
If by some miracle, one of us get in the club, you will do their bidding, or they will destroy you.

GYFL

“Congressmen Capture”

 

[babyguppy]

Shit, it just occurred to me- the few who argued against my anti-China comment are probably demokrats. That makes perfect sense because nobody else would do that in a thread about China fighting a cold war against us at our southern doorstep.

One Chinese person got a medal from his country 'China' for bringing fentanyl into the USA.
People should think about that.. A fk'n MEDAL

 

[W54/XM-388]

One Chinese person got a medal from his country 'China' for bringing fentanyl into the USA.
People should think about that.. A fk'n MEDAL

There was this time the British Empire did pretty much the same thing to the Chinese.
British Companies got really rich off it.

 

[wade2big]

Title of the thread should be “And it’s government”. Which one you may ask? Pick any of them. All are evil, some more so than others.

 

[375fan]

Loral Space and Data Systems. I remember when it happened.

Yep, look at their fighter aircraft , so much like ours which were developed years in advance.

 

[375fan]

Yep, China has become the powerhouse it is today because we (collectively as a nation) helped them by the choices we have made over the past 50+ years. It didn't help when our parents and grandparents went to the stores and chose the $10 toaster instead of the $20 US made one, the $35 blender instead of the $50 US made one, the $50 vacuum instead of the $75 US made one, the $60 drill, instead of the $80 US made one, the $50 100 piece socket set instead of the $100 US made one the list goes on, and there are multiple reasons for it.

Politicians fucking the American worker, the EPA/Environmentalist fucking the American worker, Corporations fucking the American worker, Unions fucking the American worker, the IRS fucking the American worker, American workers fucking themselves, but you know who didn't fuck the American worker the Chinese worker!

You know who doesn't give a shit and will spend their hard earned money as they see fit because them buying a Holosun and having fun shooting the shit out of it isn't going to undo 50 plus years of this shit....... ....Me!

China has no unions...
China has no OSHA..
CHINA has no EPA...
China has no 2A.. people can't protect themselves from an oppressive govt.
China doesn't give a fk about human rights...
All of these things allow them to produce and flood our country with cheap products.
As DT said its not a level playing field.
BTW, I remember when Walmart only wanted to sell American made products. Sam died and that went the way of the DoDo bird.,
America created and did everything better at one time, that's why globally we were looked up too. We've been sold out by the career politicians . That is what truly fkd this country.

 

[Steel+Killer]

China has no unions...
China has no OSHA..
CHINA has no EPA...
China has no 2A.. people can't protect themselves from an oppressive govt.
China doesn't give a fk about human rights...
All of these things allow them to produce and flood our country with cheap products.
As DT said its not a level playing field.
BTW, I remember when Walmart only wanted to sell American made products. Sam died and that went the way of the DoDo bird.,
America created and did everything better at one time, that's why globally we were looked up too. We've been sold out by the career politicians . That is what truly fkd this country.

I don't disagree with any of what you said I fully understand how and why China can produce products so much cheaper than the US.
There are so many complex reasons for why we are where we are, but the root of it is simply greed by our politician's and corporations. Also, when you combine that with uninformed useful idiots pushing an environmental agenda that doesn't eliminate pollution, but simply export it to countries that don't give a shit. This is what we have.