Another savage question please help!

[STI_1911_Guy]

So i am starting a build around a savage action(guess i should say i want to) but anyway i have a few questions. I want to build this off a savage model 11 because its what I have available. My questions are as follows:
1. are the model 10 and 11 the same? boyds website says they are exactly the same "NOTE: The Savage Models 11, 12 & 16 AND Stevens 200 Short Action have the same action as the Model 10"
2. Now the savage model 11 has a detachable box mag and most stocks i see are for blind box which also the website states that"If converting from a clip or hinged magazine staggerfeed model
your internal parts can be reused in the blind mag stocks.
Remove the plastic bottom of your clip - the side metal becomes
the magazine box liner, the spring and follower drops into the
blind magazine cut." but they also say you need the new trigger guard and box spring follower and box .WTF??
3. Are the model 11 detachable magazine stagerfeed or center feed? or how the hell do you find out without having the gun i.e. before you purchase it without looking at it?
4. I want to use the bell and carlson tactical medalist syle 2 but it says for blind box only. But i am assuming you can use a detachable mag parts to convert and if so how?
5. Maybe its just me and i am a few fries short of a happy meal but why the fuck does this seem so complicated? Or atleast more than it should??

I looked for this information but can not find exactly what i am wondering. I would greatly appreciate some help on this subject.Thanks for any help i can get!!

 

[shoots100]

Re: Another savage question please help!

http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/

Read everything on this website and you'll get all of the info/answers you'll need on a savage.
Welcome to the Dark side.

 

[MagnumSecurity]

Re: Another savage question please help!

I would start with a call to Savage (413-568-7001).

 

[Hawk45]

Re: Another savage question please help!

First all Savages are refered to as "110" series. The 10,11,12 are just designations for the most part. 10=tactical, 11= lightweight hunter, 12=varmint series, etc. They are all basically the same action, just differnt barrels.

Second understand there are two types of Savages around, depending on how old and what model. The original Savage series (sometimes called pre-accutrigger) had a 4.25" action spacing. These did not have detachable mag systems. They are all blind mags (aka, a box in stock with a spring and follower, so you have to top load through the action). Now you have the "Accu-Trigger" models or newer models. These all have a 4.40" action spacing. These sometimes come with detachable mag systems. Some still come with blind magazines though, so you have to see what you have. Now even the Stevens actions used to be 4.25", but I think they have moved all their new guns to 4.40".

DBM versions are center-feed (aka 4.40"). 4.25" actions are stagger-feed.

So best thing to do is look at your gun and answer these questions (or better yet take a pic and post it).
What is my action screw spacing (center to center)?
Do I have an accu-trigger
Do I have a blind mag or bottom metal w/ mag.

 

[chakup]

Re: Another savage question please help!

Except 11X is long action and 1X is short action designation.

 

[topgun99]

Re: Another savage question please help!

Not meaning to offend Hawk45 but that info is not altogether accurate. I have and have had many older savages and there is a differnce. The two digit signified the short actions with the 4.25 inch spacing between the action screws. The three digit is the long action and measures almost 5 inches between the action screws. All of these early savages were pre accu-trigger and are readily identifed by the flat rear on the receiver where the scope mount goes. Now, there are exceptions to this as my older 110 tactical is chambered in .308 which is a short action but built from savage on the long action receiver. I also owned one in .243 that was the same way. Many of the early savages were built on the same standard long action reguardless of chambering. Try to stay with the later all round receivers as finding off the shelf one piece or even two piece scope bases is getting harder. And stay away from the older actions that use a flat slotted head on the rear of the bolt because savage issued a bulletin stating that they will not accept them for repairs. The later ones have a hex head. Never had any problems with mine but just thought I would let you know. Stevens is basically a savage round receiver without the accu-trigger and can be picked up cheap in most pawn shops if you are going to swap barrels. Good Luck!

 

[bassani]

Re: Another savage question please help!

if you havent started a build..check out the firearms sale sections, there are often new & used rifles that will meet your needs and often cheaper

 

[shoots100]

Re: Another savage question please help!

Click on the link and read the Tech Updates section.It's all there and more.

 

[STI_1911_Guy]

Re: Another savage question please help!

As i go i am learning more and more and thanks for everyones help with this. It is just a bit confusing when looking for a stock and they give you about 6 scenarios to go through to get the right stock for a savage rifle. Thanks again

 

[TOPGuN050]

Re: Another savage question please help!

as topgun99 said the 10s are the short actions and the 110s are the long actions. thank you top for clearing that up before i said it. this is correct atleast in the new models anyway.

 

[topgun99]

Re: Another savage question please help!

I'm not a fan of the newer accu-trigger or accustock models so I admit i'm not up on the technical aspect of them...my older savages do what I need them to an more...plus I like the idea that any of the older actions can be modified from anything short action to long action chamberings by switching barrels or barrels and bolt with magnums....and you don't even have to change the entire bolt, just order the correct bolt head and swap it out. Same action screw spacing...very simple.

 

[Gunny81]

Re: Another savage question please help!

I've been able to interchange parts from NEWER models 10-12. the stocks have minor fitment details to be addressed, but essentially they're all the same gun.

 

[Hawk45]

Re: Another savage question please help!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: topgun99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not meaning to offend Hawk45 but that info is not altogether accurate. I have and have had many older savages and there is a differnce. The two digit signified the short actions with the 4.25 inch spacing between the action screws. The three digit is the long action and measures almost 5 inches between the action screws. All of these early savages were pre accu-trigger and are readily identifed by the flat rear on the receiver where the scope mount goes. Now, there are exceptions to this as my older 110 tactical is chambered in .308 which is a short action but built from savage on the long action receiver. I also owned one in .243 that was the same way. Manyhe early savages were built on the same standard long action reguardless of chambering. Try to stay with the later all round receivers as finding off the shelf one piece or even two piece scope bases is getting harder. And stay away from the older actions that use a flat slotted head on the rear of the bolt because savage issued a bulletin stating that they will not accept them for repairs. The later ones have a hex head. Never had any problems with mine but just thought I would let you know. Stevens is basically a savage round receiver without the accu-trigger and can be picked up cheap in most pawn shops if you are going to swap barrels. Good Luck!</div></div>

I knew I'd even get things buggered up. That is/was one of Savages major issues, getting a single action spec from jump. Flat, round, 4.25", 4.40" just made aftermarket support a nightmare. Now that they are at a pretty stable action setup (round 4.40") things should be less complicate moving forward with new buys.

 

[jdgray]

Re: Another savage question please help!

Measure your action screw spacing!
4.4" centerfeed(box mag remains in the stock)
4.25" staggerfeed(mag is attached to the action)

I have a 4.4" centerfeed, and spare parts if you need any.
B&C Medalist action screws
Steel trigger guard, and mouting screw
.308 box mag, spring, follower, retaining clip.

Never converted to DBM, but I would follow stockys suggestions.