Anschutz 1710 at a Dallas are vendor - Is this bad condition?

[GuideDog]

I found a Anschutz 1710 at a DFW (Allen,Tx) vendor. I'll attach photos. Please tell me what I am looking at inside the action. The salesperson said this was from inserting a chamber flag. I told him that's ridiculous he expected me to believe that. I told him that, then he replied he would send it to be re-barreled. I came back to check if it was sent and it was still there, exact same condition! Not even an attempt to clean it up!

The chamber inlet bottom it appears to be very rough, perhaps cracked?

Also what throws me is the 22.75 inch barrel. It's that a normal size? It was NOT threaded.

Buyers beware.

 

[oldrifleman]

That looks like a fired rifle, I don't see any damage. Hard to believe a gun shop would actually rebarrel it on spec.

 

[GuideDog]

That looks like a fired rifle, I don't see any damage. Hard to believe a gun shop would actually rebarrel it on spec.

Yes, it is a used rifle. I have never saw this type of "debris" myself. A precession rifle at this price point one would think this should at least be cleaned. No?

I looked at many used rifles, they never looked like this.

 

[oldrifleman]

Depends on the shop. I used to see them all the time when I would check out pawn shops. The debris looks like unburned powder and brass scrapings. Anschutz rifles use a pressed and pinned barrel and there are only a few places I would trust to change the barrel.

 

[JimTN]

Looks like it just needs a good cleaning, PO didn't, or the GS took it to check it's overall condition, and didn't bother to clean it afterwards.

Google says this model has a 23" barrel, with a 54 action, but it really depends on the model variation(s), etc. Find some pics on google to match the rifle above and go from there.

 

[RTH1800]

I only see magnified, unburned powder. Nothing that 5 min of cleaning would not fix.

 

[GuideDog]

That looks like a fired rifle, I don't see any damage. Hard to believe a gun shop would actually rebarrel it on spec.

Hmm

 

[GuideDog]

I only see magnified, unburned powder. Nothing that 5 min of cleaning would not fix.

I only see magnified, unburned powder. Nothing that 5 min of cleaning would not fix.

I have never in my like seen unburned powder in a 22LR in my life or any other caliber for what that matters. Powder is dark grey, not yellowish. This is the poorest used 22 chamber I have ever seen. Even suppressed my 22's don't look like this. The accumulate carbon, lot's of it. No threaded barrel so no suppressor on this one.

How could there be unburned powder on a rimfire? Maybe I just never witnessed it.

 

[oldrifleman]

I have never in my like seen unburned powder in a 22LR in my life or any other caliber for what that matters. Powder is dark grey, not yellowish. This is the poorest used 22 chamber I have ever seen. Even suppressed my 22's don't look like this. The accumulate carbon, lot's of it. No threaded barrel so no suppressor on this one.

How could there be unburned powder on a rimfire? Maybe I just never witnessed it.

It is powder residue that is captured or sticks to the inside of the case. As you eject the case the contents of the case are shaken and the debris falls out. Add to that the bits of brass are scraped from the case as it is chambered and ejected and just builds up, very very common.

 

[hlee]

And, powder often turns a yellowish color during the ignition of a cartridge. Very common, especially in pistols.

 

[GuideDog]

I have never seen unburned powder in a 22, ever. Sure I see a bit of brass now and then, but this residue is not brass or powder.
Maybe is just not very very common in any of my 22's (unburned powder)? Maybe I'm shooting ammo that completely burns.

This post was sorta a warning for anyone in the DFW area to be on the lookout, a potential buyer of this rifle.
I didn't intend to debate what this debris is, but I had to comment since I really never seen unburned powder. Especially in a match grade rifle when one would think only match ammo is used as well.

 

[oldrifleman]

I have never seen unburned powder in a 22, ever. Sure I see a bit of brass now and then, but this residue is not brass or powder.
Maybe is just not very very common in any of my 22's (unburned powder)? Maybe I'm shooting ammo that completely burns.

This post was sorta a warning for anyone in the DFW area to be on the lookout, a potential buyer of this rifle.
I didn't intend to debate what this debris is, but I had to comment since I really never seen unburned powder. Especially in a match grade rifle when one would think only match ammo is used as well.

My public service memo to anyone in DFW, If I were in the market for another Annie I would not hesitate on this one , it would come home to a quick cleaning and a trip to the range. Having owned, cleaned and shot Annies, Walthers, Winchesters from what was shown here There is nothing wrong here.

 

[RTH1800]

If you have not seen unburned powder in a 22 RF you either have not looked or you cannot see. It’s in every last one that has been fired.

Continuing to say it makes you seem ignorant or foolish.

 

[GuideDog]

If you have not seen unburned powder in a 22 RF you either have not looked or you cannot see. It’s in every last one that has been fired.

Continuing to say it makes you seem ignorant or foolish.

I see perfectly. Thanks for your opinion!!

 

[oldrifleman]

I see perfectly. Thanks for your opinion!!

Read More, Shoot More, Shut Up More

 

[smoothy8500]

The chamber inlet bottom it appears to be very rough, perhaps cracked?

Also what throws me is the 22.75 inch barrel. It's that a normal size? It was NOT threaded.

Buyers beware.

Yeah, we'll beware of this potential buyer...

 

[RTH1800]

That was my thought as well. Guy behind the counter said, “Sure buddy, I’ll rebarrel it next week because you have never seen burnt powder” .

Customer did not look up to see the eye roll.

 

[RockeyRoad]

That was my thought as well. Guy behind the counter said, “Sure buddy, I’ll rebarrel it next week because you have never seen burnt powder” .

Customer did not look up to see the eye roll.

Now its burnt powder? Thought it was unburned. Or it it unburnt?

 

[hlee]

Now its burnt powder? Thought it was unburned. Or it it unburnt?

Unburned powder that has been subjected to the heat of a cartridge firing. Those tiny “brass shavings” you see after a lot of shooting? That’s unburned powder, not brass.

 

[RTH1800]

Usually it’s a bit of both. Some grey, some yellowish.

 

[Daniel G. Banting]

It appears to me that the OP had two questions. " Is this bad condition?" The answers have been an overwhelming...........NO. The second question was asking "what am I looking at?" Some members went to great length to give him an explanation.

I now have my own question. Is there a word in the dictionary that describes an individual who asks a question presumably because they do not know; then is vehement when they argue all of the answers they get from multiple experienced sources who do ?

 

[RTH1800]

ASKHOLE

 

[GuideDog]

ASKHOLE

This ASKHOLE just can't see how a 22.75 inch 22LR bolt action barrel would have unburned powder sitting on a shelf, stock down.
It was simply a word of caution you can choose to use or not with YOUR decision to purchase. This is a rimfire, not centerfire! I have seen this with centerfire. To the other point on barrel length. I do see 23 inch listings on a similar model. This one is listed as 22.75 inch.

It is strange some start name calling, but understandable, lol.

I simply disagree with the "multiple sources" and there's nothing wrong with stating that. Believe whatever YOU choose.
I have seen more than one person have a incorrect "opinion" before. I too have been wrong. Again, nothing wrong with stating that, but yea.... the world was flat for a very long time.

 

[RTH1800]

I did not see comments regarding barrel length other than your original inquiry. Might have missed them.
I do know that barrels are mis measured a high % of time. Many measure to the front of receiver instead of the rear of the chamber. Also, most European guns are actually metric lengths so it adds to the confusion.
Or, it could all be a great scam reaching to the highest levels of government and commerce to defraud you out of 600 bucks.

 

[GuideDog]

I did not see comments regarding barrel length other than your original inquiry. Might have missed them.
I do know that barrels are mis measured a high % of time. Many measure to the front of receiver instead of the rear of the chamber. Also, most European guns are actually metric lengths so it adds to the confusion.
Or, it could all be a great scam reaching to the highest levels of government and commerce to defraud you out of 600 bucks.

It's not defrauding me, lol. Make fun all you can.

 

[hlee]

Twenty something years ago, I was a graduate student. Sitting in my office (shared with 2 other grad students), another from the lab walks in and asks me a pretty trivial theory question. I answer him with a text book response (no, basically quoted verbatim from THE peer reviewed source on the topic). He looks at me, straight in the eyes and says “yes, but I think you are wrong.”

“Ok, good luck with that” and I returned to what I was doing.

To the actual discussion… The residual unburned powder is probably there because even really good 22lr ammo is kinda crappy when compared to centerfire ammo, and most 22lr shooters shoot the crappiest bottom of the barrel 22lr ammo they can find because “it’s just a 22.”

I’ve been to the ocean a bunch. I’ve never seen a squid. Marine biologists say they exist, but I’ve never seen one. I can choose to believe my own experiences, or believe the marine biologists.

 

[Badjujuu]

To me looks like old ammo wax and dirt build up from never cleaning it.

My OCD wants to clean this.....

 

[camocorvette]

You must not shoot alot. My Anschutz after thousands of rounds was nasty. That's just some crust that didn't get cleaned.

 

[GuideDog]

To me looks like old ammo wax and dirt build up from never cleaning it.

My OCD wants to clean this.....

There's a better description! Ammo wax. Some are still going to stick with the powder story. Why? They can't possibly be wrong. You'll see.

 

[GuideDog]

You must not shoot alot. My Anschutz after thousands of rounds was nasty. That's just some crust that didn't get cleaned.

No, I must just clean often. Ya think? About every couple hundred rounds or after every other range trip on my precision 22's.

 

[hlee]

Just pulled my 2011 appart…

 

[GuideDog]

No, I must just clean often. Ya think? About every couple hundred rounds or after every other range trip on my precision 22's.

Just pulled my 2011 appart…

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Is that a 22LR? What's your point?

 

[ma smith]

This is the dumbest thread ever...

 

[GuideDog]

This is the dumbest thread ever...

Ya know. I have to agree that's what it turned into.

 

[oldrifleman]

Ya know. I have to agree that's what it turned into.

With YOU as it’s poster child

 

[J_D]

That just needs a proper cleaning.

 

[hlee]

Is that a 22LR? What's your point?

Ok, good luck with that.

 

[RTH1800]

Is this still available?

 

[ma smith]

This one goes in the scrap heap ...

 

[RTH1800]

Can a human really be this stupid? Is this a troll post?
How many bow kills do you have?

 

[GuideDog]

With YOU as it’s poster child

We all see your 10,000 other posts, remember? I really don't think you do.

 

[Im2bent]

It appears to me that the OP had two questions. " Is this bad condition?" The answers have been an overwhelming...........NO. The second question was asking "what am I looking at?" Some members went to great length to give him an explanation.

I now have my own question. Is there a word in the dictionary that describes an individual who asks a question presumably because they do not know; then is vehement when they argue all of the answers they get from multiple experienced sources who do ?

Dunning Kruger is close to what you seek

 

[Im2bent]

By the way op who is this vendor so everyone knows exactly where not to go?

 

[cas6969]

Un-burnt powder in the action / case doesn't care how long the barrel is, it's not in the barrel.

 

[GuideDog]

Dunning Kruger is close to what you seek

Wow. I totally agree!

 

[camocorvette]

But since this is TECH and not the BEAR PIT.

It appears that it was not cleaned. It appears that it was shot alot. Looks like there is a lot of carbon/powder built up underneath the scope rail. The action appears like they maybe occasionally wiped it out. It also appears that they left the action open and rolled it around on a dirty rug.

It appears to be a dirty used rifle.

What was the price?

 

[GuideDog]

But since this is TECH and not the BEAR PIT.

It appears that it was not cleaned. It appears that it was shot alot. Looks like there is a lot of carbon/powder built up underneath the scope rail. The action appears like they maybe occasionally wiped it out. It also appears that they left the action open and rolled it around on a dirty rug.

It appears to be a dirty used rifle.

What was the price?

I think it was $1700.

 

[GuideDog]

No, $1799.99. There's only one place in DFW with a Gun Library.

 

[oldrifleman]

Way over priced for a 1710 unless it came with a nice scope

 

[GuideDog]

Way over priced for a 1710 unless it came with a nice scope

No joke, that needs at minimum a good cleaning. At worst a new barrel. If a person never cleaned this I question it's worth. I agree it may have been dragged across a very dirty carpet. Who knows? Do ya feel lucky today? Go take a $1800 chance!