Suppressors Any industry reps willing to discuss helping a state get access to suppressors?

[pmclaine]

Looking to speak to an industry rep that would be interested in seeing another state become a market for their products.

I have joined a "pro se" court case in Massachusetts pushing back on some recent expansion of gun "laws".

One of our goals is to open Massachusetts to the use of suppressors.

My friend leading the case is going to seek help from Sig Sauer as expert witness to explain to the court suppressors, their function, their benefit, and how they are misunderstood.

We obviously seem like huge underdogs but we are taking advantage of a recent MA SJC ruling that determined the 70 year old law banning switchblades was unconstitutional as switch blades are arms under the second amendment.

Ours will be the first case to use this wedge.

Two other cases, using real lawyers, were dropped by the plaintiffs after having taken huge amounts of money from donors and expending the effort of a 100,000 signature initiative.

I don't think Sig Sauer will be willing to help us. I hope I am wrong in thinking that but their contracts, to include pistols to the MA State Police, has me thinking they will be on the side of the defendants - the Commonwealth - or at minimum - neutral.

Our current governor ran Smith and Wesson out of the state when she was AG, I have no doubt she would trash Sig Sauers contracts and go to Hi Point if Sig acted up.

We are give send go funded and just regular peeps.

Thoughts.

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[Rio Precision Gunworks]

Hate to be a Debbie downer, but you're likely going to have trouble getting funding or companies on board with the case hinging on the knife ruling.

Since the switchblade has an actual blade, it's going to be very hard to say that a silencer which is an accessory is covered under 2A because a switchblade is covered under 2A. If the knife ruling was for an accessory to the knife, that would be different.

We sell a lot of silencers and would love to help out on something like this.....but it would have to be something that isn't all but certain to not be considered covered under 2A. There's a reason other very well funded campaigns folded. They likely got to a point where they had to accept they were likely not going to win.

 

[pmclaine]

Appreciate your reply and respect your points.

The fact a suppressor is not a "weapon" is one of the points we would like the judge to understand.

It should not be regulated. It does not enhance or alter the designed function of a firearm to put a projectile at a certain point down range.

All I am asking at this point is for industry people to watch this and if we look viable, worth support, we could really use your help.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Isn't this the kind of thing the ASA works on?

 

[HSNARC]

The only way forward in states like MA, and my state IL is finding a way to convince legislators they will receive a large cash payout. They all jumped on board with pot when they realized they could be the cartel.

 

[Halfnutz]

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I too live in a shitty state. I joined and they are working on it, slowly, but I did become a member in support.

 

[Gentleman4561]

As other mentioned, talk to ASA.

 

[houndog]

Lived in MA for thirty plus years, so I feel you pain. I remember when your current governor was AG and decided that she could unilaterally reinterpret an existing law to prohibit even those AR's that complied with the federal AWB from being sold in MA. My best advice is to move out of state as soon as possible - but I realize that for job or family reasons that might not be possible.

While I wish you the best of luck in getting the law prohibiting suppressors declared unconstitutional, I think you are going to have a tough time getting any mfg. to contribute to your lawsuit. The truth is that the gun market in MA is small and the market for suppressors is tiny - particularly since you currently can't buy any gun that remotely resembles what Ms. Healey considers an "assault weapon". Remember that there are a bunch of companies that have decided simply not to sell pistols in MA because it's not worth it to them to spend the extra money to comply with the state's stupid laws. And the market for pistols is a lot larger than the market for suppressors.

 

[cas6969]

I always thought "health and safety" was the right way to approach. Can't sell a car, truck, lawn mower etc without a muffler. But the loudest thing you own CAN'T have one.

Of course knowing the state, if you won they'd make all firearms WITHOUT one illegal. Then maybe yearly safety inspections like a car...

 

[Tikka595II]

Silencer central claims to have done more than anyone else to spread suppressors might want to reach out to them
The Everyday Sniper Podcast: Brandon Maddox of Silencer Central on Podbean,

 

[VanJoe]

So glad I moved out of Illinois and back home to Florida. Thanks for mentioning that auto knife decision, that will be interesting to read.

For expert witnesses how about try Yankee Hill Machine that is HQ there in MA? Also maybe try the ASA as other suggested.

 

[strikeeagle1]

The fact a suppressor is not a "weapon" is one of the points we would like the judge to understand.

Not so in Florida!

Although gun silencers are not legal in every state, they are legal in Florida. There is no specific law directed at silencers under Florida state law except to define the item as a "firearm"!

A gun silencer falls under the definition of a “firearm”. Under Florida Statute Chapter 790 Section 790.001, the definition of a firearm is
"any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
any firearm muffler or firearm silencer;
any destructive device; or any machine gun...”

POSSESSION AND LAWFUL PURPOSES OF FIREARMS AND GUN SILENCERS
In Florida, it is lawful to own or possess and use a firearm, including a gun silencer. Under section 790.25 you may use a gun silencer with your weapon for the purpose of target practice and marksmanship on target practice ranges or other lawful places, such as your own property depending on your county and the acreage of your land; and for lawful hunting. It is also lawful to use a firearm and silencer in the defense of your home and your property.

While it is legal in Florida to own a gun silencer and a hand gun for target practice at practice ranges and legal hunting, the law does not allow a person to conceal and carry on their person a handgun with a silencer. Although in Florida it is legal to carry a concealed weapon if you have a license, a person may not carry a concealed weapon with a silencer.

By definition a concealed firearm only includes “a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie…” Silencers are not included within this definition.

^^ THIS IS CIRCULAR REASONING AS BOTH A SILENCER AND A HANDGUN ARE "FIREARMS" DEFINED BY LAW, SO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY CONCEALED & SILENCED.

 

[pmclaine]

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I too live in a shitty state. I joined and they are working on it, slowly, but I did become a member in support.

Thank you for this.

I have never been a suppressor guy for two reasons…

A. The state bans them

B. Most of my rifles were built with some sort of historical context. Threading and suppressing an M40 clone wouldn’t be cool.

I have passed the info on to my group.

 

[pmclaine]

I always thought "health and safety" was the right way to approach. Can't sell a car, truck, lawn mower etc without a muffler. But the loudest thing you own CAN'T have one.

Of course knowing the state, if you won they'd make all firearms WITHOUT one illegal. Then maybe yearly safety inspections like a car...

The state wants the noise.

I think their hope is that abutters will organize and shut down the sportsmens clubs that do exist.

 

[Halfnutz]

I've taken Franks 2 and 3 day Precision Rifle class. The first class there were 12 students on the line. Two others and myself were unsuppressed. No one liked us. "You uncivilized fuckers go down to the other end." they said, or something like that.
The second time was similar.

 

[FuhQ]

Silencer central claims to have done more than anyone else to spread suppressors might want to reach out to them
The Everyday Sniper Podcast: Brandon Maddox of Silencer Central on Podbean,

They also claim to make the best suppressors, too.

 

[pmclaine]

Attempts to contact ASA and engage them were already made with negative returns from ASA.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Attempts to contact ASA and engage them were already made with negative returns from ASA.

To clarify, did you get no response or did they say they would not help? How did you reach out? Email?

 

[pmclaine]

To clarify, did you get no response or did they say they would not help? How did you reach out? Email?

Unresponsive to our lead trying to contact via the ASA site contacts.

The states gun rights org has a membet that knows the director of ASA and he asked if he could provide our lead with his email and the director was unresponsive.

Silence from them.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Unresponsive to our lead trying to contact via the ASA site contacts.

The states gun rights org has a membet that knows the director of ASA and he asked if he could provide our lead with his email and the director was unresponsive.

Silence from them.

That is sad to hear.