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Rifle Scopes Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

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Just curious if any others here have made the switch from FFP optics in favor of SFP.

While I understand the logic and rational to the FFP, I can honestly say in 4 years of LR shooting I have yet to find myself in a situation where I actually needed it.

OK to clarify what I mean by need is that I see FFP as a time saving fuction as it allows holdovers and range est at any power without turning a power ring. I also beleive the FFP optics to have more accurate dimentions wether that is due to them primarily being made by high end manufacurers or by virtue of design I cant say for sure but many SFP optics seem to have inaccurate mildots for the ranging power.

Curently using a PR 3-15X Gen 2 but I'm seriously considering making the switch to a 5-22x NF mil/mil zero stop. NF honestly is the only non FFP optic which holds any appeal at all as it ranges at 22X which I can only see as being a real issue in very hot weather due to the increase in mirrage however since I live on the rainy side of WA state I think I'll be able to get by. More and more I find myself wanting a finer crosshair and a bit more magnification.

Havent made up my mind for certain yet but thus far all I have owned were FFP and an ST-10 so I have a good idea of what I'll be giving up but for my use the FFP almost seems more of a hinderance than an advantage.

Anyone else have this realization?
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

The main thing i look at is if the optic i am choosing is designed to mil at max power. If it mils at max power I dont want a FFP reticle. No reason... the problem is solved. I personally chose to mil at the max power cause I feel it gives the best reading. Why mil at 6 power when I can mil at 12X. But some optics are not set up to mil at max power. I feel there is a lot to figure out when trying to decide FFP or SFP. I would look at the application for use and the optics that you want to go with. But either way, use a LRF if possible and more accurate!
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

My thoughts exactly regarding ranging at the highest power. The optics that range at some vague point in the middle cant possibly be accurate.

Again the only real negative I can think of would be the increse in mirrage on a hot day at 22X but that is a rarity for my area.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I hunt with my scope at various magnifications and use holdovers rather than dial up my elevation. So, FFP is the right choice for me. I'm sure I could use a SFP scope with a mil scale or mil dot reticle calibrated at the high magnificaiton for LR target shooting. There are advantages, as you suggested.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Try </span>being the appropiate word here.

You change scopes like people change socks... I don't think you have<span style="text-decoration: underline"> used</span> a scope yet, but you <span style="text-decoration: underline">Try</span> an awful lot of them.

I bet your wife loves the fact you clean the windows in the house a lot more though.
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Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.</div></div>



I bet your wife loves the fact you clean the windows in the house a lot more though.
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Ouch!
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Station</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK to clarify what I mean by need is that I see FFP as a time saving fuction as it allows holdovers and range est at any power without turning a power ring.</div></div>

Go shoot some 100 and 200 yard movers with a FFP and a SFP scope. See which one you miss more often with.
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If you shoot paper and have the time to play with power settings and do math, then it really doesn't matter.

If you are like me and you just set the power ring to see what you need to see and never really care about what number it's on, then FFP is the only way to fly. When something starts moving and needs a bullet NOW I don't want to have to figure out if I need to multiply my lead, divide it, shit or go blind. I just want to lead it and kill it.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I could never see myself going from ffp to sfp. But thats just me. Sure kicks ass not having to keep an eye on the mag ring to see where Im at.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Try </span>being the appropiate word here.

You change scopes like people change socks... I don't think you have<span style="text-decoration: underline"> used</span> a scope yet, but you <span style="text-decoration: underline">Try</span> an awful lot of them.

I bet your wife loves the fact you clean the windows in the house a lot more though.
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Thats a sig line waiting to heppen!
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Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

Years ago and long before I discovered this site (thanks, Son!), my imaginations of an "ideal" scope system included a second focal plane ranging stadia (my first foray into MR shooting was with a Leatherwood ART/MPC on an M1 Garand), and holdover tic marks that were FFP.

Having botched the ranging more than once using a SFP mil-dot scope, I am a real believer in having your "fixed ruler" in the FFP, but the annoyance of having the crosshairs shrink at lower power, EXACTLY when I want them to be more easily visible, makes me interested in keeping part of the reticle one size at all magnifications, as is proposed with the "dual focal plane" reticle plan.

I also want crosshairs that interrupt at the intersection, like the longer-distance tic marks on the Trijicon ACOGs.

Yup, I want it all. Just can't afford it yet.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

Food for thought....

The mag that your milling on doesn't always necessarily mean your ranging a target. I find that with SFP high mag scopes, like my 22x NXS, That when having to spot my own shots, that sometimes the decreased FOV on max power makes it a little more difficult to spot exactly where that miss went.

Also, when shooting movers at the Cup last year, it was nice that when dialing down, (again, for greater FOV) I was able to use my reticle quickly for hold overs w/o having to make sure what power I was on, or being sure to change the reticle's subtension in my head while having to get 10 rounds off before that target disappeared.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I agree with a good bit of what you are saying here. I have a mix of the NF, PR, S&B and Zeiss optics, and depending on the primary application I will outfit the system with the best solution. All of my primary hunting setups are SFP, so when in the woods or low light conditions and I turn down the power setting, the reticle does not disappear. If I was going to be running competitions and using the ranging system it would be a different story so the FFP would be my preferred optics. But face it, if we are on the range, shooting, normally we are @ 100yds out to as far as available, we will be running the optics on the upper end, high temps mirage sets in, turn it down and continue. I am with you on this, but I have to run both, demo and explain to customers what the differences all the time. When I talk with people on this matter, I explain both and make recommendations based on their applications. Most people do not need the 34mm tubes, FFP and MIL/MIL setups.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stacey @ AINA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with a good bit of what you are saying here. I have a mix of the NF, PR, S&B and Zeiss optics, and depending on the primary application I will outfit the system with the best solution. All of my primary hunting setups are SFP, so when in the woods or low light conditions and I turn down the power setting, the reticle does not disappear. If I was going to be running competitions and using the ranging system it would be a different story so the FFP would be my preferred optics. But face it, if we are on the range, shooting, normally we are @ 100yds out to as far as available, we will be running the optics on the upper end, high temps mirage sets in, turn it down and continue. I am with you on this, but I have to run both, demo and explain to customers what the differences all the time. When I talk with people on this matter, I explain both and make recommendations based on their applications. Most people do not need the 34mm tubes, FFP and MIL/MIL setups. </div></div>

+1
you can hammer nails with a big wrench but a hammer would be better. Right tool for the job. As with everything you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or you can have your cake in your stomach cause you just ate it, but that doesn't really apply here I guess.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go shoot some 100 and 200 yard movers with a FFP and a SFP scope. See which one you miss more often with.
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If you shoot paper and have the time to play with power settings and do math, then it really doesn't matter.</div></div>

Honestly the only movers I shoot are the furry variety and I was doing that long before there were any dots in my scope. I use the trap method as I really have not attempted tracking with a mil holdover.

Not all my shooting is done on paper as I do shoot quite a bit of UKD at plates but you are 100% correct that time is not a concern.

I certainly can see the advantage to a military sniper or a person shooting tactical matches where time counts but that just isnt a factor of concern for me.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stacey @ AINA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most people do not need the 34mm tubes, FFP and MIL/MIL setups.</div></div>

I'm really spoiled to MIL/MIL for a number of reasons but I get what you are saying.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Station</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jason, funny you mention TC as I often pondered his optic selection as it dosnt seem to hurt his shooting. Think the countless number of rounds fired may have helpped a bit too
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99% of the people here don't have Terry's commitment or talent, so considering his choice, you have to look at the complete package. To say, "Terry wins with a SFP" is like saying buying the right shoes will make you jump like Michael or the right sunglasses will let you drive like Stewart. There is a lot more to it than that.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I made the switch from SFP to FFP and have not regretted the change at all. If you decide to go with a NF SFP you can still range at 1/2 and 1/4 mag. Just make sure to multiply by 2 or 4 for your reading. You'll need to verify this with your scope but my NF was dead nuts on and I was able to range at 22X, 11X and 5.5X.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I think Lowlight mentioned more than one time about the use of the scope you pick, it is more of a training issue.

I made the switch back to the NF 5.5-22x after trying several others (PH/S&B/Leupold/etc). I really enjoyed each scope and for me everyone every one of them has a particular strength in certain situation.

I found the 22 power covers me for most situations I use it. It is perfectly accurate, 22x, 11x, & 5.5x as stated above covering any of the ranging needs (I advise you strictly check each scope, FFP or SFP). I hunt with it on 5.5 power, it's s little more power than I would like but quite a good compromise.

Now all that being said I own a 3.5-15x FFP NF. I think it has a better advantage in a 'speed' situation for me. Plus the reticle is a bit thicker. I use the crap out of this scope on my 22lr.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

See good points coming out from all around. Canavar, glad you made that point, I have seen it done, tried it and not always worked out ya know. But that is the theory and application that can be tried and true, with the TRYING, lol. I am TRYING this out when time permits on my AR Coyote night gun with the 2.5-10x24/R2/.25moa/ZS.

FOV, is very important for the hard to find, tight environment and moving thingee's. So there is a very valid and strong point for the FFP for hold off/lead/hold over type shooting app's.

The shoes, from LL is classic, not saying but that was a funny one, but to the point.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

There are advantages to both setups. I think you have already outlined them.

If you don't need the advantages that FFP offers, a SFP may be the way to go. I too wish we could have the best of both, but an increasingly fine reticle (compared to the target size) is nice when you are shooting for extreme precision or small targets.

There does not need to be any more math involved in ranging at 11x on a NF. Don't use any conversions. Just double the spacing in your reticle i.e. with a mildot reticle, the dots are 1 mil apart at 22x, at 11x, they are 2 mils apart.

If you are on 11x and your target covers dot to dot, it is a 2 mil target. If you are on 22x and your target covers dot to dot, it is a 1 mil target.

Once you have calibrated your scope, mark it some how (dot of epoxy, perhaps) at 11x. That way you do not have to look at the mag ring, you can feel when you are there.

I personally prefer a FFP because I typically hold wind and often like to shoot at odd magnifications (14x-18x). But again, if you don't NEED FFP...
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?


Running a Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA setup on your reticle/turret config is a no brainer and should be specified in you “needs” list right off the bat.

I am currently running a pair of older NXS SFP scopes on my rifles. This is because I have not seen the FFP concept executed well enough yet to suit my tastes. I have been fortunate to play with several of the better FFPs on the market but none have pulled me away from the SFP systems I am currently using. The day I can comfortably move over to an FFP glass, I will immediately sell what I can and purchase the product that finally met my personal needs. The need for FFP setup is there and having one less thing to do in my head means one less thing to dick up under stress.

While the concept of a constant reticle substention at various magnification levels is very attractive, it seems to be rather elusive in execution.

How many FFP users can honestly say that you can run your X all the way down and still have fractional (under time constraints) reticle elements that are actually usable?

How many FFP users can honestly say that you can run your X all the way up and not feel like you are giving away the precision SFP feel of how you can MIL, hold off and bisect targets due to the heavy appearing reticle?

For some, this is OK and is worth losing it in the trade for constant reticle value across the X range. For others, it just isn't quite there yet.

<span style="font-weight: bold">GIVEN #1: </span> When most users are operating the optic at lower magnification, the need for <span style="font-weight: bold">precise </span>reticle dissection is almost non-existent.

Lower magnifications are chosen for urban operations or any other engagement scenarios where moving, random and mixed target opportunities may exist due to the wider F.O.V.. When these types of shots are taken, only the major elements of the reticle are used. Regardless of what ballistic data the shooter has access to and what is taught in the class room, <span style="font-weight: bold">the reality</span> of time constraints and fleeting target availability mean that <span style="font-weight: bold">only course</span> hold over, hold under and leads can be used with effect.

<span style="font-weight: bold">GIVEN #2:</span> When most users are operating the optic at <span style="text-decoration: underline">higher magnification </span>levels, the need for <span style="text-decoration: underline">precise reticle dissection is very important</span>. Higher magnifications are typically used for passively Mil ranging targets. An experienced user will always Mil targets at the highest usable magnification to more precisely dissect and interpret the Mil value against the target image.

Mid and high magnification settings are also used for more precise hold over, hold under, wind hold offs and target leads where distance typically buys the shooter the time to do so. <span style="font-weight: bold">Target range is usually proportionate to the available time to engage. Closer equals less time / further equals more time.</span>

There are some neat products in the works. My opinion is that reticle design and scaling to the magnification range is 90% of this battle. Most makers know there are still gaps between intent and execution in these offerings. Some you may see some very good things in the next month or two from at least one leader in this optic market. Only time and hands on use will tell if it will be any closer to nailing the execution end of this delimna.

This is just my opinion based on my own personal tastes, shooting style and failing eyes. In internet code, YMMV.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Try </span>being the appropiate word here.

You change scopes like people change socks... I don't think you have<span style="text-decoration: underline"> used</span> a scope yet, but you <span style="text-decoration: underline">Try</span> an awful lot of them.

I bet your wife loves the fact you clean the windows in the house a lot more though.
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How, or what I use, or bolt on a gun and stare at it is your business how?
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I agree Terry, there is no perfect solution right now. In my opinion (and it's just that, an opinion) and for my use the only thing I don't like about FFP scopes is reticle thickness at high magnification on which I compensate by edge of reticle holds if need be. For me most of the thinner FFP reticles are just to busy for my preferences, I like the P4F but really just a plain old mil-dot is my favorite. If stuff is around the corner to address the issues then I'll gladly buy and try, It would be great to have one optic across different rifle systems that would be perfect for all tasks, but as of right now I have FFPs and SFPs for different purposes.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm switching from a FFP to a SFP. I used to have nothing but SFP, then I discovered Schmidt & Bender scopes. But, I think I'm going to try something different for a while.</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Try </span>being the appropiate word here.

You change scopes like people change socks... I don't think you have<span style="text-decoration: underline"> used</span> a scope yet, but you <span style="text-decoration: underline">Try</span> an awful lot of them.

I bet your wife loves the fact you clean the windows in the house a lot more though.
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How, or what I use, or bolt on a gun and stare at it is your business how?</div></div>

HAHAHA...

Well, I think it goes to full disclosure... there are plenty of people who confuse <span style="text-decoration: underline">"owning"</span> something with knowing how to<span style="text-decoration: underline"> "use"</span> something and give a lot of advice based on <span style="font-weight: bold">"ownership" </span> rather than real use.

We get plenty of people come by having just bought the latest and greatest without a clue how to use it. My favorite was the pistolere who had a CC permit for 8 years, and then couldn't hit a 7 yard IPSC target.

I think people should have as much information as possible based on use, and rounds downrange. If you've <span style="font-style: italic">bought</span> everything from a USO to a PH, to a SB, etc in the last 6 months, but only been to the range 5 times, are you really giving solid advice or just saying something else. Now, I have no clue how many times you have been to the range...

but if Michael Jordan's shoe fits, <span style="text-decoration: underline">"Jump"</span>
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
HAHAHA...

Lowlight said:
I think people should have as much information as possible based on use, and rounds downrange. If you've <span style="font-style: italic">bought</span> everything from a USO to a PH, to a SB, etc in the last 6 months, but only been to the range 5 times, are you really giving solid advice or just saying something else. <span style="font-weight: bold">Now, I have no clue how many times you have been to the range</span>...</div></div>
No, you haven't.

Tell me Frank, are you a veteran or a current or former LEO?

Also, anytime you're ready, tell me how I conduct my personal business is any business of <span style="font-style: italic">yours</span>?
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I dont wanna stir the pot Mag but what does being a Vet or a LEO have to do with this thread?? Im still new to alot of this and getting into a pissin contest isnt helping anyone learn anything. Pick ur battles carefully.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
HAHAHA...

Lowlight said:
I think people should have as much information as possible based on use, and rounds downrange. If you've <span style="font-style: italic">bought</span> everything from a USO to a PH, to a SB, etc in the last 6 months, but only been to the range 5 times, are you really giving solid advice or just saying something else. <span style="font-weight: bold">Now, I have no clue how many times you have been to the range</span>...</div></div>
No, you haven't.

Tell me Frank, are you a veteran or a current or former LEO?

Also, anytime you're ready, tell me how I conduct my personal business is any business of <span style="font-style: italic">yours</span>?</div></div>

You have been on this site since 2001 and you have no clue my status as a Veteran ?

Well there is a clue right there.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You have been on this site since 2001 and you have no clue my status as a Veteran ?

Well there is a clue right there. </div></div>

So you are a Vet? Desert Storm?
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

Apparently SOMEBODY doesnt read about the very site that he is posting on.

MAG...Scout Sniper ring a bell...... LL is a Marine...do ur homework.

guess ignorance is bliss....
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

Yes, a sensitive one for me in this case (it isn't normally), for I hold our Veterans in the highest regard, even those who haven't gone in harm's way, so that issue is off the table.

That still leaves the fact that you haven't articulated why what I do, on my time, with gear I paid for, as long as it's legal, is any concern of yours.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, a sensitive one for me in this case (it isn't normally), for I hold our Veterans in the highest regard, even those who haven't gone in harm's way, so that issue is off the table.

That still leaves the fact that you haven't articulated why what I do, on my time, with gear I paid for, as long as it's legal, is any concern of yours.</div></div>

What do you want to see my CAR, cause I got one of those too...
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and don't let that shit stand in the way of your opinion. if you have something to say, say it, why it would be "off the table" because I was in the service I have never understood.

my reason has been stated over and over... I think you swing in the breeze in regards to optics, claiming each new purchase is the latest and greatest. You have been aware of my feelings on this for some time as we have had this discussion before... hence the reference for your need for Windex. This is old news, if you can't handle it, I don't what to tell you, stand in the cold more often you'll skin will get thicker.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do you want to see my CAR, cause I got one of those too...
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and don't let that shit stand in the way of your opinion. if you have something to say, say it, why it would be "off the table" because I was in the service I have never understood.</div></div>That's a shame; many people feel as I do, and honor your service. I won't dishonor it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my reason has been stated over and over... I think you swing in the breeze in regards to optics, claiming each new purchase is the latest and greatest.</div></div>
While not agreeing with you, say for argument's sake that I did that. So the fuck what? It would harm no one except you and your peculiar need to impose your will over me. I don't get it.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have been aware of my feelings on this for some time as we have had this discussion before... hence the reference for your need for Windex.</div></div>
Yes, I'm aware of your quaint little theory on the subject. It hasn't changed a single thing I do or say, nor will it.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

Gee, that went downhill fast.

It doesn't have to *be* anyone's "business" to comment on facts known because they were posted on the forums here.

I'm no Vet, but if I say the sky is blue, I'm still right.

Be nice, both of you!

FWIW, from someone with absolutely no enforcement authority at all.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">About Sniper's Hide
Fri, 03/20/2009 - 14:11 — admin
Sniper's Hide officially went online in November of 2000 and was recently incorporated as Sniper's Hide, LLC in 2004. The "Hide" was founded by Frank "Lowlight" Galli. During my years as a Marine Scout Sniper, then later conducting surveillance. I was able to grasp the difficulty surrounding a profession that combines both an Art and a Science. Long Range Precision Shooting with or without a scoped rifle has often been demonized, through education and understanding we believe we can lift that dark veil which has clouded so many.

Sniper's Hide is a community, brought together by the knowledge of the science and the appreciation of the art involved in long range shooting. Our members consist of Doctors, Lawyers, Police Officers, as well as past and present member of our Armed Forces. Over the years countries believed it was necessary to employ snipers during times of armed conflict, then shortly after they disbanded those ranks losing the knowledge gleaned from these soldier's sacrifice and experience. In the early years each time the call went out, the knowledge used to train our soldiers and Marines came from competition shooters. Even today, more than 20 years after the Marine Corps created the United States' first official sniper school, our military still sees the value in utilizing the knowledge of the civilian shooter to assist in training our troops and helping develop the next generation tools of this military trade. Deep in tradition, born from competition, the long range shooter has always been the silent servant to military sniper and law enforcement sharpshooter. Sniper's Hide mission is to uphold the traditions and professionalism of those who came before us, expanding on the science, developing the art.

Frank L. Galli, a former United States Marine enlisted in August 1985 attending boot camp with 3rd Battalion at Parris Island, SC. After graduating boot camp Mr. Galli attended Infantry Training School at Camp Geiger. It was during a his participation in the International Naval Review in the summer of 1986 he secured his orders to attempt the USMC Scout Sniper School at Stone's Bay, Camp Lejeune for the next class. The next class took place that fall just 12 days after Mr. Galli's return from attending the Summer Package at the USMC Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport, California. In October of 1986 Mr. Galli was the junior ranking member of his class attending the course as a Private First Class. In December 1986 Mr. Galli graduated the Scout Sniper School, earning the designation 8541.

In the Fall of 1986 while attending Sniper School, 1st Battalion 2nd Marines was training to become the first Marine unit to earn the designation "Special Operations Capable". This training prepared the unit for their deployment to the Mediterranean with the 24th MAU (SOC) where L/Cpl. Galli was aboard the USS Guadalcanal. Due to situations taking place during the Iran Iraq War the USS Guadalcanal was dispatched to this area to support the US Naval Operations in and around the Arabian Gulf. It was at this time select Marines from Battalion Landing Team 1/2 were flown from Diego Garcia back to Camp Lejeune to form Marine Air Ground Task Force 2-88 (MAGTF) which was redeployed aboard the USS Trenton for a return trip to the Gulf in order to Escort Kuwaiti Oil Tankers to and from the Gulf region.

Combat Operations
In 1988 while participating in Operation Earnest Will aboard the USS Trenton, the USS Samuel Roberts hit a mine laid by Iranian forces damaging the ship. On April 17th as part of the Ground Combat Element of MAGTF 2-88 L/Cpl. Galli along with the other sailors and Marines engaged in Operation Pray Mantis. This Operation was to engage the forward Iranian bases in the Sasson and Sirri Oil fields located off the coast of Iran. During this operation L/Cpl. Galli was inserted via Fast Rope onto a GOPLAT in order to deny the Iranian forces the use of this facility as a base of operation for their nightly mine laying activities.

Returning from the Gulf in the Summer of 1988, Cpl. Galli deployed to CAX in California before deploying to Okinawa. From Camp Schwab, Cpl. Galli deployed to Philippines operating in and around the Subic Bay area. In March of 1989 the unit then deployed to Korea where aside from cross training with members of the Army's 2nd Infantry Division's Sniper school at Camp Casey near the DMZ, Cpl. Galli also participated in "Team Spirit" along with other US and Korean forces.

In August 1989 Mr. Galli left the USMC and shortly after enlisted in the CTARNG with the 1st Battalion 102nd Infantry. Mr.Galli finished out his commitment to the Army and his IRR time receiving an Honorable Discharge from both the USMC and Army Reserves.

During the 90's Mr. Galli spent much of his time working in the Northeast conducting all levels of surveillance operations with a Private Investigation firm, moving from junior investigator to Surveillance Operations Manager in charge of all cases from Boston to Trenton, NJ. Mr. Galli's primary focus was conducing covert surveillance operations specializing in the New York City area. With over 40,000 hours of surveillance in just a few short years Mr. Galli left this work in 2000 to become a partner with Matthew Cherry in Intelex, Ltd. Intelex,Ltd., is a due diligence firm located in Greenwich, Connecticut. It is from the Intelex offices that the day to day operations of Sniper's Hide takes place.

Today aside from running Sniper's Hide, Mr. Galli spends a majority of his time working as a Marksmanship instructor for Rifles Only out of Kingsville Texas. Through Rifles Only, Sniper's Hide also host two of the largest and most popular tactical matches in the USA. The premier Sniper's Hide Cup is held at Rifles Only in the spring and the Shooter's Bash is held at Rifles Only in the Fall / Winter</div></div>

I mean since you asked Magnumdude.
Me thinks I'm going to listen to LL.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

I wasn gonna go that far Boone.......I just implicated just a touch of that...LOL. Im not gonna trash anyone but I still think LL is right but I wouldnt go as far as saying he is "Imposing his will" by any means.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I mean since you asked Magnumdude.
Me thinks I'm going to listen to LL.
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I do! But I reserve the right to purchase whatever I feel like purchasing. I never doubted his prowess with a rifle, and when he dispenses advice I listen...except for optics, and he owns from several to a half dozen of every make he named when he was running me down! He's told me himself during one of the half-dozen or so lectures he's delivered to me. He can be curious and try different optics, but I can't...even when they're the very optics he owns. The wheel don't turn that way.
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I mean since you asked Magnumdude.
Me thinks I'm going to listen to LL.
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I do! But I reserve the right to purchase whatever I feel like purchasing. I never doubted his prowess with a rifle, and when he dispenses advice I listen...except for optics, and he owns from several to a half dozen of every make he named when he was running me down! He's told me himself during one of the half-dozen or so lectures he's delivered to me. He can be curious and try different optics, but I can't...even when they're the very optics he owns. The wheel don't turn that way. </div></div>

I'm not picking a fight so don't take it that way, nor am I busting your chops. However I am a little curious.

When a new scope hits the market and Frank grabs one you expect input on that said scope. We know that Frank runs them through their paces and abusing the crap out of them. He doesn't just put them on a rifle and go shoot at 100 yards a few times. Hell he throws them off towers, blows them up, all sorts of cool weird shit. He's showing you what you can expect from the scope. Durability, tracking, glass, etc. Why does he do this? IMO he knows shooters are shooters and always <span style="text-decoration: underline">want</span> the latest and greatest that hit the market. So I take it as he's saving my time, money, and frustration. It seems to be if Frank gives it the nod, it's solid. He's not here to play around. His goal provide us with a selection of high quality gear that he knows will work for the shooting community. Not to mention make us better shooters. This is my perspective on the information he releases, I'm not saying it for ass kissing points.

Now my question to you is this. Are you doing the same abuse to your scopes? Do you know your scopes through and through? Are you using them from 100-1000 yards? Are cranking the hell out of them and checking the tracking? Are you doing everything that we know Frank does to a scope? So if your not, how can you give answers to questions you yourself have not come to know the answer of?
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

O.P., if you've managed to wade through all the whining from the "Dood" over what was, really, some good-natured humorous observations by LL (Was he really trying to impose his "will" on a forum member?), I've got this to say:

I own an SFP NF 2.5-10X32. I mostly leave it on 2.5 and never range anything except @ 10X. The scope's max is such that it is never an issue, with FOV, etc. I like the NF mil-dot reticle and while it is thin, it still is easy to see in heavy cover. In short, if a scope tops out a relatively low magnification, it hardly matters if it is SFP.

I also own a FFP PH 3-15X50 with the Gen II mil-dot reticle. To me, it has the right thickness at both 3X and 15X (although I like the hollow circle/dot of the NF better). I could never range with it at 3X but have no need to. To my eyes, it is as usable as any duplex reticle at that magnification. Their XR reticle, on the other hand, would just be too fine.

Best quote (from LoneWolfUSMC) I've seen in a long time:

"When something starts moving and needs a bullet NOW I don't want to have to figure out if I need to multiply my lead, divide it, shit or go blind. I just want to lead it and kill it."
 
Re: Anybody make the switch from FFP to SFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a new scope hits the market and Frank grabs one...This is my perspective on the information he releases, I'm not saying it for ass kissing points.</div></div>
I await these reviews from LL every bit as much as you do. I find them an informative and exhaustive trial of the capabilities, high points, and faults with the scope in question. If LL gives it the thumbs up, I know that's a solid scope. I <span style="font-style: italic">know</span>. However, I don't like, nor buy, every scope he reviews (Vortex Razor). On the flip side of that, I purchased a scope this time around when I decided to go from FFP to SFP, that I'm pretty sure LL has not, nor will he ever, put it through the paces and generally abuse the hell out of it (compared to how I'll use it) to reveal any weak points.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now my question to you is this. Are you doing the same abuse to your scopes?</div></div>
Absolutely not. I'm not going to be intentionally causing any cosmetic damage.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you using them from 100-1000 yards?</div></div>
Yes, I do. Am I good at it? Have you seen me on the line at competitions? No and No. But I do enjoy it, and I hunt anything that I can in this state with my rifle (I own only 1). When I get the opportunity, I go back "home" to Texas to hunt, or hop over to MO or KY, where men are trusted with a rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are cranking the hell out of them and checking the tracking? Are you doing everything that we know Frank does to a scope? So if your not, how can you give answers to questions you yourself have not come to know the answer of? </div></div>
Yes, I crank the hell out of the knobs because of snippets of information learned on this site. I now shoot a 20"/6Mil triangle. First I increased my square from 4" to 20" as the result of a direct PM from LL (See, Frank, I <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> reading for comprehension). Now, I shoot a 20"/6Mil triangle as a result of catching a post from LL. I crank over to the top/right corner, but, I don't shoot. I then crank down the bottom/right, fire three rounds and finish it out by going from bottom/right to bottom/left where I started. I freeze my scopes over night, and then pull them out of the freezer in the morning, and as they return to ambient temperature I check for internal fogging. I submerge them in 120 degree water for at least 10 minutes, looking for bubble streams, which would signify a possible leak. Dropping off of towers - no. I have to consider re-sale value. It'll get banged up enough when I hunt with it.

Regarding me giving answers to questions asked, the only question I have ever recall answering is which scope I thought had a better image and/or better low light performance. If I haven't compared them side by side I say so, and hopefully I haven't given any opinions if I couldn't make a direct comparison.