Suppressors Anyone use a suppressor for self defense shtf?

[alfred10]

Anyone use a suppressor to defend themself? Anyone plan to?

I am thinking about suppressing a AAC TI RANT for my .45 glock. Seems like it would be fun. How much quiter would a 9mm be?

Also considering suppressing a defensive SHTF rifle. Considering an ak47, sig 556, FAL, M1A or M4.

How would this help conceal me if I need to cap a deer for food? If looters or other scum bags try to come in my area it will give me an advantage.

Will it give me zero muzzle flash on the rifles I listed?

Figure I will be dead if I am in anytype of fire fight with no hospital. You guys seemed like the best to ask about these. I want to go low profile and get food/ defend my familly. A suppressor seems like it will allow me to defend an area and not give my location away. Most looters or other badguys would look for an easier targer.

The question is at what range would they not be able to tell where I am by sound? Does it make a difference if I am using a 5.56, 763x39 or 51?

 

[rbdub474]

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I use an AAC M4-2000 on my 10.5" AR for home defense. The benefits of using a can aren't so that they won't know that shots are being fired, but that I would like myself and my family to not suffer permanent hearing damage if I can help it.

It also allows you to protect your night vision better and to continue to hear. This will help you to continue to hear any movements that might be occurring in the residence.

 

[The_Hoff]

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fill out your profile!

 

[jasonk]

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Can zombies hear?

 

[Elxx]

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Not if they don't have a head.

 

[john2000]

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Benefits of a suppressor:
-Minimizes muzzle flash; preserves nightvision and reduces risk of visual detection
-Reduces noise;will (to an extent)let you shoot without temporarily or permanently damaging your hearing. This depends however on multiple factors as ammo,location you fire from etc.
-Spreads noise; the direction of a shot fired from a suppressed weapon is extremely difficult to pinpoint, confusing both 2 and 4 legged.

Drawbacks of suppressors:
-Adds both weight and length to your weapon, be it rifle or pistol. If you are used to a certain weapon, adding a suppressor and shooting "in the dark" could give you a few surprises regarding POI due to muscle memory and the added weight.
-The heat it radiates after a few rounds could give you away pretty damn quick compared to a regular barrel, depending on your opponents resources.
-"Quick release" suppressors are not, they quick attach and then get awfully hot so if you are planning on removing it immediately after firing you better bring a damn good left hand glove...

Exactly how much a suppressor suppresses depends on ammo and weapon, a supersonic bullet will crack no matter what.
A 9mm can be quite silent compared to a 5.56, a .45 got more knockdown power.

What you have to ask yourself is; what kind of situation would you need to defend yourself with a rifle? As far as I know you will get charged if involved in a shooting where the distance is greater than a few feet, and even outside a rifle for that distance is not the ultimate weapon to say the least...
Indoors it is even worse, and adding a suppressor to a 16" or 18" rifle makes it pretty much useless in a regular home.
For the SHTF I reckon that if you have to haul ass off into the woods or start digging trenches it could possibly become useful from some of the above reasons.

For home defense; 12ga pump action shotgun. Loads exist that reduces risk of killing your loved ones through a wall, and if needed a 3,5" 00 buck up close and personal should render even a pretty armored person at least gasping for breath...
For SHTF: A .22 rifle and a .22 pistol with the best suppressor you can get, interchangable between the 2. Will combined with subsonic ammo keep you with relatively silent food for years if the zombies are out to get you. Then it will be all about stealth anyway, someone will always have more firepower than you.

For anything else, buy a suppressor for every tool in your box if you like to, be honest about the fact that your reason for it is because you want to and dont make up excuses for yourself for doing it!

Rant mode off

John - out

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone use a suppressor for self defense shtf?

You have watched Red Dawn to many times.

How are you going to conceal a pistol with a can FOR self defense carry?

 

[rifleman1981]

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A can will virtually eleminate recoil in a pistol, and kill the majority of it on a rifle, and still let you hear if anyone else might still be moving in the house, but they might frown on the evil concept of you killing someone in self defense while a can was attached to your firearm, might raise a few why didn't he want anyone to hear him questions.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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Join the Military and you'll probably be able to figure out the answers to your question. Just remember Combat Arms. Thats what you want in whatever Branch you go into.

 

[christian77]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John lima_mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you have to ask yourself is; what kind of situation would you need to defend yourself with a rifle?<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #FF0000">As far as I know you will get charged if involved in a shooting where the distance is greater than a few feet</span></span>...</div></div>Is this based on case law in your state? Where have you heard this...I'm curious.

I recall a video in a Walmart parking lot where an individual armed with a knife closed the distance on their victim at mind-boggling speed. I suspect most individuals wouldn't even have their CCW out of the holster or indexed by the time they are bleeding to death in that particular instance.

 

[300WSM]

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+1

 

[john2000]

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I apologize for not clarifying,
From my impression through statistics and people I have talked to though, it seems like most of the self defense cases take place at fairly close range, and if you take out a possible attacker at 50yds+ with a rifle i would think that you could run into some kind of trouble with the law, this is what I based my logic on.
From what I am aware, you have to testify your life was in imminent danger, and if the bad guy is outside pistol range I would think a jury could be tough to convince.
I have also read about people who lost and nearly lost their CCW because they drew (without firing) before they, according to the judge, could be absolutely certain that there actually was a threat approaching.
Of course there may be exceptions, but I would think that would depend on every specific situation and i would not speculate in using anything like that unless there was some sort of major invasion going on, in todays PC society it seems like anything more than absolutely neccessary will get you in trouble.

I am fully aware that the "safe range" some police departments operate with, like 7-10 feet, is nothing and you close that distance faster than most people can react, much less draw and fire.
There is, however, quite a difference between spotting a possible threat, analyze the situation and then respond by drawing a pistol in preparation and if required take the shot as the threat approaches, and whipping out a suppressed rifle and gun the person down from a distance, and that was what I was aiming at.
Unless dug in behind sandbags I never looked at a rifle as a very defensive weapon per se, and to use one, suppressed or not, effectively in a home defense situation require a bit more training than a pistol or shotgun, especially if you have to move around.
Thats just me though.

 

[rifleman0321]

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7 yards is the accepted legal distance for the use of lethal force against an assailant armed with an edged or impact weapon. Reasoning is that the assailant can cover that distance and do damage to the shooter in slightly more time than it takes a proficient shooter to draw and fire. When shooting steel plate competition, I could, from the surrender position, draw and place hits on five targets in 4.5 seconds total. Still, 2 seconds of that was the draw itself, including reaction time. It takes the average male 2.5 seconds from a standing start to cover the 21 feet in question. So the seven yard rule is NOT at all weighted toward the good guy's side of the equation. There was a good video recently of a cop shooting a knife-weilding assailant who ran at him from what appeared to be slightly more than 7 yards. To his credit, the officer placed two shots well enough to drop the perp immediately- about four feet from the officer. Here's the kicker- the officer already had his weapon at the ready when the charge started. Had he not, he most likely would have been injured or killed.

 

[XL Mammal]

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[frog5215]

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1.If you see a weapon and don't have yours out, you done messed up.

2.In Texas, criminal mischief after sundown is legally confronted with lethal force. People stealing hubcaps in front of the house have been killed without charge to the shooter. Ditto fleeing burglar FROM THE EMPTY HOUSE NEXT DOOR. Turns out the dead guy was in cahoots with the traveling homeowner. Chief made lots of noise about prosecuting the shooter, Grand Jury said it was a good shoot, no charges were filed.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rifleman1981</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A<span style="color: #FF0000"> can will virtually eleminate recoil in a pistol, and kill the majority of it on a rifle,</span> and still let you hear if anyone else might still be moving in the house, but they might frown on the evil concept of you killing someone in self defense while a can was attached to your firearm, might raise a few why didn't he want anyone to hear him questions. </div></div>

Not true. The recoil is still there on all platforms. It will knock it down some but I still feel recoil with either a pistol or a rifle.

 

[rifleman1981]

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very true, I can personally attest to the fact that on my 300wm, 308, and my 10mm my can tames the recoil to more effective measures than a muzzle break, I said it virtually eliminated it with a pistol, very little felt, and killed the majority of it on a rifle, I didn't say there was no recoil , just that it made things feel a lot softer, there is always recoil there, just not near as much

 

[rifleman0321]

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I love Texas, Lived there for a while, but it was back in the 80's. Where I live in MO is very similar. There have been cases in my county of folks shooting multiple (unarmed) perps throught the front door in the middle of the night before said perps could even gain entry. No charges filed, good for the homeowner.

As far as having one's weapon at the ready as soon as the assailant shows his, I agree.

That said, most perps attacking a civilian target will attempt to get as close as possible to the victim before allowing the victim to know they are under attack. The reality on the street is that the average person is usually going to be under attack at extremely close range before they even know what has hit them. The carjacker does not step out in front of the car 100m up the road and point a gun at the driver. He attacks as the driver is getting into the car in a parking lot or as they sit at a light or stop sign. As a result, most ccw shoots will occur at less than seven yards, and with no chance to present the weapon prior to the actual attack. There have been cases here in MO wehere a CCW holder was shot first, and then returned fire to kill the assailant, and even one case where a CCW holder was shot with his own weapon after a struggle. Unfortunately, most CCW holders do not get the luxury of seeing the attack coming like the officer in the above video. It would be nice if everybody got the chance to have their weapon at the ready before they see a weapon, but most of the time they don't.