AR "Pistols" in Trouble Now?

[Centuriator]

Oh, boy, here we go....the Dayton shooter used an AR "pistol" which is being described by the ignorant police and/or media as "Something that he converted into a rifle" using a legal "brace." Just a matter of time, in my opinion, before the ATF says, "Nope, that's a SBR, no matter what you call that "brace" thing (which we all know everyone uses like a butt stock).

Dayton shooter used a modified gun that may have exploited a legal loophole

Even though it looked like a rifle, the gun used in the Dayton shooting was likely classified as a pistol – legally skirting laws regarding short-barreled rifles.

www.usatoday.com

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

IF we forgo the part of the conversation of "Shall not be infringed" and instead go with populace commonality and the sad reality...

The pistol brace was nothing more than a Fuck You via word play; so nobody should be surprised when the word play comes back to Fuck itself.

The old saying of "Let sleeping dogs lie" comes to mind.....

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[hafejd30]

What Theis said, Can see this going the way of the bump stocks.

 

[7.62willdo]

Your both idiot frogs sitting in warm water....... how long till they figure out the longer barrels make rifles more accurate and it won’t be long after that that they decide shorter barrels make rifles more concealable and then sometime after that it’ll be triggers with trigger pull is less than 18 pounds that make rifles able to shoot more frequently and so on and so on until eventually the water around you idiot frogs is boiling

 

[uffduh]

^^^^stop giving some of the newly joined with iffy motives for being here any ideas!

 

[Renegade]

before the ATF says, "Nope, that's a SBR, no matter what you call that "brace" thing (which we all know everyone uses like a butt stock).

Seems like you just made the case for them.

 

[Renegade]

it won’t be long after that that they decide shorter barrels make rifles more concealable

They figured that out in 1934.

 

[FatBoy]

I find it odd that in the last few months we have had mass murders committed with a suppressor, an AK variant and an AR Pistol. None of which are normal for this type of shooting. This cannot be coincidental. All they are lacking at this point is a semi auto shotgun and a scoped rifle. Curious if we will see these used before the election?

 

[Nik H]

Oh, boy, here we go....the Dayton shooter used an AR "pistol" which is being described by the ignorant police and/or media as "Something that he converted into a rifle" using a legal "brace." Just a matter of time, in my opinion, before the ATF says, "Nope, that's a SBR, no matter what you call that "brace" thing (which we all know everyone uses like a butt stock).

Dayton shooter used a modified gun that may have exploited a legal loophole

Even though it looked like a rifle, the gun used in the Dayton shooting was likely classified as a pistol – legally skirting laws regarding short-barreled rifles.

www.usatoday.com

Buy those braces boys

 

[Steel+Killer]

I bet those PSA $29 stripped lowers are looking like a helluva investment right now hey boys!

 

[MtnCreek]

Buy those braces boys

Sarcastic or suggesting getting them before atf redetermines what they are? If for use after, might as well put a good stock on that shorty.

 

[W54/XM-388]

That the ATF under Obama decided to allow both bump stocks and pistol braces was highly suspicious.
I think somewhere along the way it was always planned to let them be allowed for "some reason" and then take them away and try to take more away at the same time.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

I am having a meeting with ATF Investigators right now on some different ITAR things, lolol.....

Sadly..not all of them are not on our side.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[DukeGSP]

Hi,

I am having a meeting with ATF Investigators right now on some different ITAR things, lolol.....

Sadly..not all of them are not on our side.

Sincerely,
Theis

while you're doing that, mind asking them how much longer on my paperwork... appreciate it lol

 

[wilson1911]

When the govt twists and convolutes words, definitions, intent, laws etc......how come its ok for them to do it ?....uuummmm and not us.....

 

[RyanScott]

One of many things the Republicans should have done before losing the house is amending the law that created the ATF to require they support lawful uses of firearms.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hi,

I am having a meeting with ATF Investigators right now on some different ITAR things, lolol.....

Sadly..not all of them are not on our side.

Sincerely,
Theis

You mean there might actually be some that would be on our side?
That would be shocking news!

 

[THEIS]

while you're doing that, mind asking them how much longer on my paperwork... appreciate it lol

Hi,

You probably do not want me looking into that, lol...

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Centuriator]

Seems like you just made the case for them.

Oh no! I'm sorry. I'm sure the ATF has never thought about this before.

 

[MtnCreek]

When the govt twists and convolutes words, definitions, intent, laws etc......how come its ok for them to do it ?....uuummmm and not us.....

FWIW, atf was given a shitty job to do. The congress that knows jack-shit about the subject they're writing laws for hands atf said f'ed up law and has them sort out what it means. I'm not making an argument for the existence of atf (other than I do love alcohol, tobacco & firearms), just saying it would be a cluster-f.

 

[THEIS]

Your both idiot frogs sitting in warm water.......

Hi,

And just what are you doing to help the firearms industry and customers about the situation?
I currently am writing the new definition of manufacturer that the BATFE, DDTC and Dept of Commerce will utilize, along with reviewing the proposed ITAR transition from DDTC to Dept of Commerce.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[7.62willdo]

Well by all means be sure to write your bullshit opinion of bump stocks and braces into those documents ........

 

[7.62willdo]

And for that matter I’ve paid my debt to this country and I carry the scars to prove it ....

 

[Centuriator]

Do you guys need a ruler or a microscope to measure your wieners?

 

[Nik H]

Sarcastic or suggesting getting them before atf redetermines what they are? If for use after, might as well put a good stock on that shorty.

Suggesting not Sarcastic @MtnCreek.

Until I saw the new versions that SB Tactical are offering, I always felt that the braces were pretty dumb. Now they are stocks for all intents and purpose...the latest ones for AR15s actually can attach to a conventional buffer tube so they can be operated like a normal stock relative to LOP adjustment. If my ARs didn't fall overboard yesterday, I would definitely buy one for each of the pistols I had before the accident

 

[7.62willdo]

Do you guys need a ruler or a microscope to measure your wieners?

We could just ask your wife for your mom

 

[FS1]

When the govt twists and convolutes words, definitions, intent, laws etc......how come its ok for them to do it ?....uuummmm and not us.....

This is the bigger question. I fear the answer is they forgot who the boss is.

 

[FS1]

Do you guys need a ruler or a microscope to measure your wieners?

Let me guess, you use a telescope and a laser...

 

[SilentStalkr]

Hi,

IF we forgo the part of the conversation of "Shall not be infringed" and instead go with populace commonality and the sad reality...

The pistol brace was nothing more than a Fuck You via word play; so nobody should be surprised when the word play comes back to Fuck itself.

The old saying of "Let sleeping dogs lie" comes to mind.....

Sincerely,
Theis

And, if we all stand together we can continue to give them a big “fuck you”. I’m tired of the back and forth rulings and then I stand fears of someone taking someone’s property and so forth. At the end of the day, we are still the ones with all of the guns. Wait, let me guess, cue up the ones that say the military is going to come take them. Laughable. We stand together or we all fall. Many seem defeatist already and of we have that attitude we might as well hand them all over. What I am shocked by is the fact that nobody with power and resources in the gun community are saying anything at all. That’s alarming. If they keep it up their livelihood will be gone with the stroke of a pen. Yes, I’m somewhat talking about youtubers, manufacturers and so forth. Guns, ammo, armor, soft goods, cases, targets, accessories and on and on is big biz and how a lot of people put food on the table, including those ATF agents. Without guns, there sure as hell won’t be a need for all of these agents.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

And just what are you doing to help the firearms industry and customers about the situation?

I'm buying & stocking Mexican backhoes an lime, before the rush as I think, the local turtles an gators are going to be too fat to move after awhile.

 

[MtnCreek]

Suggesting not Sarcastic @MtnCreek.

Until I saw the new versions that SB Tactical are offering, I always felt that the braces were pretty dumb. Now they are stocks for all intents and purpose...the latest ones for AR15s actually can attach to a conventional buffer tube so they can be operated like a normal stock relative to LOP adjustment. If my ARs didn't fall overboard yesterday, I would definitely buy one for each of the pistols I had before the accident

Prior this morning's fishing trip, I had some of the SB Tact that fit on a carbine buffer tube. Beats the hell out of a buffer tube with a tennis ball on it. :-D

If atf decides they are not a brace and made for purposes that don't mesh with nfa, they'll be contraband. At that point someone would need a longer barrel or stamp. If someone decided to not opt for either, might as well put whatever stock on there that they like becuase a brace would be just as legal as an A2. I think there's about a 0% chance existing braces get grandfathered.

 

[Nik H]

Prior this morning's fishing trip, I had some of the SB Tact that fit on a carbine buffer tube. Beats the hell out of a buffer tube with a tennis ball on it. :-D

If atf decides they are not a brace and made for purposes that don't mesh with nfa, they'll be contraband. At that point someone would need a longer barrel or stamp. If someone decided to not opt for either, might as well put whatever stock on there that they like becuase a brace would be just as legal as an A2. I think there's about a 0% chance existing braces get grandfathered.

Agreed 100%

 

[Srikaleak]

Everything is in trouble now. The slippery slope has turned into a cliff face and the masses are about to be shoved off the cliff by ignorance, fear, and activism.
Get ready for mass registrations followed by confiscation, we are the last generation of gun owners.

 

[MtnCreek]

...we are the last generation of gun owners.

I can guarantee you we are not.

 

[MtnCreek]

Do you guys need a ruler or a microscope to measure your wieners?

 

[Srikaleak]

We should, of course, do everything we can to foster future generations to avail all their civil liberties and rights. But I just don't see it happening.

 

[Darkside-Six]

For the last 2 years I’ve been getting shit for paying for tax stamps on all my SBR’s with everyone saying “just get the brace dude!” But I knew it was only a matter of time before shot like this happens and they decided to start banning them as well. Especially being that e-file on form 1’s is only running about 30 days. Better safe than sorry. ?‍

Now when they ban the braces I can sit back and say “fuck you mine are legal” ?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Interesting how many have gave up already, or sided with the man. Notes have been took,...

 

[Centuriator]

Interesting how many have gave up already, or sided with the man. Notes have been took,...

Let me fix this for you:

It is interesting how many have given up already, or sided with "The Man." Notes have been taken.

 

[Srikaleak]

Interesting how many have gave up already, or sided with the man. Notes have been took,...

Fuck, it's too much to be berated constantly since Sandy Hook. I'm gonna just take up kayak fishing. Hope I don't lose anything in the process...
I haven't sided with anyone and am always on the side of expanding civil liberties. But the incessantly loud minority happily sacrifice liberty for comfort and "safety" and it's getting tiresome and I've got bigger problems that I need to solve.

 

[MtnCreek]

Fuck, it's too much to be berated constantly since Sandy Hook. I'm gonna just take up kayak fishing. Hope I don't lose anything in the process...
I haven't sided with anyone and am always on the side of expanding civil liberties. But the incessantly loud minority happily sacrifice liberty for comfort and "safety" and it's getting tiresome and I've got bigger problems that I need to solve.

If you use a zebco 33, you might be alright. I'm convinced you'd hurt yourself with a flyrod.

 

[Srikaleak]

If you use a zebco 33, you might be alright. I'm convinced you'd hurt yourself with a flyrod.

Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking a Dock Demon myself which is similar.

 

[Spblademaker]

Do you guys need a ruler or a microscope to measure your wieners?

 

[loveha]

This is why I went ahead and paid the $400 and cost of engraving for my two SBRs.

Always felt the brace was ugly, uncomfortable, and barely on the edge of legality.

The brace next week could be given the ban hammer with a time frame for people to correct.

As for an out right buy back ban. They aren't going to pay us for what our rifles cost. Sorry, I sold my shit privately. I'm sure there are many who feel the same way and they are going to realize on Capitol Hill that there is a huge problem. How many semiautomatic rifles are there? Uh, exactly. Even though Biden and other Dems says they will come after them if they are elected, I don't think it would happen. The ban on sales, and required registration, I can definitely see that happening.

As someone said, we are sliding down a cliff face. Slippery slope slipped out from underneath us.

 

[Snipe260]

Let me fix this for you:

It is interesting how many have given up already, or sided with "The Man." Notes have been taken.

When u are from where we are”took”

 

[pmclaine]

I just hope when all comes to a head we have the balls of a Hong Kongese............

Hong Konger?

Hong Kongolese?

Hong Kongolian?

Hong Kongan?

Hong Kongian?

 

[uffduh]

I just hope when all comes to a head we have the balls of a Hong Kongese............

Hong Konger?

Hong Kongolese?

Hong Kongolian?

Hong Kongan?

Hong Kongian?

L-7 according to my local noodle shop’s menu. L-6 doesn’t come with the umbrella

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Suggesting not Sarcastic @MtnCreek.

Until I saw the new versions that SB Tactical are offering, I always felt that the braces were pretty dumb. Now they are stocks for all intents and purpose...the latest ones for AR15s actually can attach to a conventional buffer tube so they can be operated like a normal stock relative to LOP adjustment. If my ARs didn't fall overboard yesterday, I would definitely buy one for each of the pistols I had before the accident

You "types" have got to quit boating with your guns.
?

 

[Mike Casselton]

You "types" have got to quit boating with your guns.
?

Well, as you might already know, it's our right to be armed while fishing, hunting, hiking or camping.

Florida Fish and Wildlife officers actually suggest carrying in many areas of the state while partaking in these activities.

It seems like many people lose a rifle or pistol overboard on every trip.
I think it's just added into the cost of having fun.

 

[EddieNFL]

Hi,

And just what are you doing to help the firearms industry and customers about the situation?
I currently am writing the new definition of manufacturer that the BATFE, DDTC and Dept of Commerce will utilize, along with reviewing the proposed ITAR transition from DDTC to Dept of Commerce.

Sincerely,
Theis

Pointing out the shortcomings of others.