AR upper help!

simmy952

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Need a little help from the experts. I have an upper that I bought but I have not been able to identify it. It has a floating handguard and a stainless heavy barrel but I have looked and there is no names or anything stamped to identify it. Any help would be appreciated. Thank.

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Re: AR upper help!

If the barrel isn't marked, I would strongly recomend having a reputable smith identify the chamber and twist rate.

Shooting 5.56 NATO in a .223 chamber can make for a bad day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATK Website http://le.atk.com/pdf/223VS556.pdf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Difference Between 223 Rem and 5.56 Military Cartridges
There is a general misperception by the shooting public that the 223 Rem and 5.56 Military cartridges are identical – just different designations for commercial and military – and can routinely be interchanged. The fact however is that, although somewhat similar, they are not the same.

The cartridge casings of each have basically the same length and exterior dimensions.

Mil Spec 5.56 ammo typically has higher velocity and chamber pressure than the 223 Rem.

The 5.56 cartridge case may have a thicker sidewall and a thicker head - to better withstand the stresses generated by the higher chamber pressures. This, however, reduces the powder capacity of the case - which is of concern to the reloader.

The 5.56mm and 223 Rem. chambers are similar but not identical. The difference is in the “Leade”. Leade is defined as a portion of the barrel directly in front of the chamber where the rifling has been conically removed to allow room for the seated bullet. This portion of the chamber is more commonly known as the throat. Leade in a 223 Rem. chamber is usually .085”. In a 5.56mm chamber the leade is typically .162”, or almost twice as much as in the 223 Rem. chamber.

You can fire 223 Rem. cartridges in 5.56mm chambers with this longer leade, but you will generally have a slight loss in accuracy and velocity – compared to firing the 223 round in the chamber with the shorter leade it was designed for.

Problems may occur when firing the higher pressure 5.56mm cartridge in a 223 chamber with its much shorter leade. It is generally known that shortening the leade can dramatically increase chamber pressure. In some cases, this higher pressure could result in primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads, and gun functioning issues.

The 5.56mm military cartridge fired in a 223 Rem. chamber is considered by SAAMI (Small Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) to be an unsafe ammunition combination and is listed in the “Unsafe Arms and Ammunition Combinations” Section of the SAAMI Technical Correspondent’s Handbook. It clearly states; “In firearms chambered for 223 Rem – do not use 5.56 Military cartridges.” Federal Cartridge is a member of SAAMI and supports this position.

Federal’s XM193 packaging currently has a warning that states “For use in standard 5.56 Chambers. Do not use in non-standard 5.56 chambers.” This warning is also listed on the XM193 Product Specification Sheet. Winchester also has a similar warning on their USA brand 5.56 ammunition packaging: “Use only in firearms in good condition designed and chambered by firearm manufacturer specifically for this 5.56 ammunition and so marked on the firearm.”

It is our understanding that commercially available AR15’s and M16’s – although some are stamped 5.56Rem on the receiver – are manufactured with .223 chambers. Our advice however should be that it is the customer’s responsibility to know what their firearm is chambered for and choose their ammo accordingly.
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Re: AR upper help!

Yep...bipod definitely needs turned around.

From just looking at the components used and the fit/finish...I'd bet you it is an M1S (Model 1 Sales) Varmint upper with a 1:8 twist, fluted barrel. M1S uses ER Shaw barrels which I have found to be pretty good for the low cost of their equipment. That said, M1S stuff can be problematic in terms of 100% function (depending on whether it was made on a Friday afternoon).
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I have one of their varmint uppers (similar in config. to the one you have pictured) and it is a reliable, sub-MOA shooter with match ammo and reloads.

Here is a link to their site: http://www.model1sales.com/

Like Dr. Phil said...be sure you determine which chamber you have on your rifle as they are offered in both 5.56mm and .223 Rem. The barrel should be marked in front of the gas block, but it is possible that you'll need to unscrew the FF tube to locate the barrel markings.
 
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At first I thought it might be a RRA, but then I noticed the fluting on your barrel, it doesn't look like Model 1 uses fluted barrels either.
Sorry, I'm not much help. Good luck,
myerfire
 
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I second model one sales . there web sight shows a 1-8 twist fluted barrel as an option on there varmint upper and the furniture looks the same.
+1 on taking it to a smith to verify.
 
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I would say Model 1 as well. Since the builder put the bipod on backwards I would give it a good look over. Model 1 Sales stuff is ok. Over the years I have admittedly become a bit of an AR snob. I don't look down on the more economical stuff or denegrate people for their choices but for my own uses I am a bit snobbish. Not based on name only but I just have come to accept you get what you pay for and I'd rather buy once cry once.

With Model 1 Sales the bolt carrier groups I have seen had poor staking on the key and I question the metal quality they use for the bolts. Their lower parts kits have some crap parts, like bolt catches they are entirely too soft.

That being said the fact is if it works and meets your needs go for it. Worst case scenario is that the carrier key works loose and needs to be re-staked, or you can re-stake them as preventative maintenance if they don't look to be staked properly. Since you just have the upper (presumably) from Model 1 then the lower parts kit quality is a non-issue.

Just my two cents.