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Re: AR10 preference
Can't go wrong with any of those two. It also doesn't matter what "we" like it matters what you want.
What are you willing to spend? If you don't mind forking over the cash for the Knights then why not? Otherwise just get the OBR.
Can't go wrong with any of those two. It also doesn't matter what "we" like it matters what you want.
What are you willing to spend? If you don't mind forking over the cash for the Knights then why not? Otherwise just get the OBR.
Re: AR10 preference
Well, I am not sure how each one performs, being that I have never been behind either one. What is the going rate on a new SR25 these days? If it is north of 5k, I will pass for sure. In that case, the OBR might be the winner by default.
Well, I am not sure how each one performs, being that I have never been behind either one. What is the going rate on a new SR25 these days? If it is north of 5k, I will pass for sure. In that case, the OBR might be the winner by default.
Re: AR10 preference
The SR25 EM rifle is about $5000 +/- a few hundred I think.
To be technical, I haven't shot an EM rifle but I have shot an older SR25 match rifle (they're basically the same minus some enhanced features that don't affect accuracy).
I haven't shot an OBR yet but will say this in terms of "accuracy capability" with the 7.62 AR's: The Knights will shoot MOA or less and so will a DPMS LR308T, POF-308, AR10T, OBR, LMT MWS.
For me, I have my mind set on the LMT MWS (I have an AR10T now) and if $5500 fell out of the sky tomorrow and I HAD to spend it, then I'd still get the LMT and use the rest for a S&B 1-8 short dot. Sure the SR25 is a nice rifle, but I don't see dumping that kind of cash on it when you can get something "similar" for less.
Now if I had money pouring outta my ass, then ok I'll buy two SR25's the EM rifle and the EMC. But such is not so in reality.
Good luck with your choice, either way you won't be sorry at all.
The SR25 EM rifle is about $5000 +/- a few hundred I think.
To be technical, I haven't shot an EM rifle but I have shot an older SR25 match rifle (they're basically the same minus some enhanced features that don't affect accuracy).
I haven't shot an OBR yet but will say this in terms of "accuracy capability" with the 7.62 AR's: The Knights will shoot MOA or less and so will a DPMS LR308T, POF-308, AR10T, OBR, LMT MWS.
For me, I have my mind set on the LMT MWS (I have an AR10T now) and if $5500 fell out of the sky tomorrow and I HAD to spend it, then I'd still get the LMT and use the rest for a S&B 1-8 short dot. Sure the SR25 is a nice rifle, but I don't see dumping that kind of cash on it when you can get something "similar" for less.
Now if I had money pouring outta my ass, then ok I'll buy two SR25's the EM rifle and the EMC. But such is not so in reality.
Good luck with your choice, either way you won't be sorry at all.
Re: AR10 preference
I have the SR 25 EM and love it. I have not shot the others. I can see why the SR is priced higher than the average AR type weapon. It is simply very well designed and well made. It is mounted with a USMC S&B and shoots less than .75 moa to 800 yards. The others may be fine too, but you will never regret the SR 25..
I have the SR 25 EM and love it. I have not shot the others. I can see why the SR is priced higher than the average AR type weapon. It is simply very well designed and well made. It is mounted with a USMC S&B and shoots less than .75 moa to 800 yards. The others may be fine too, but you will never regret the SR 25..
Re: AR10 preference
I shoot the MK 11 SR 25 at work, and it is a nice rifle, but I wold never buy one. You can have that same capability for half the price.
I shoot the MK 11 SR 25 at work, and it is a nice rifle, but I wold never buy one. You can have that same capability for half the price.
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: palmik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys like the SR25 or Larue OBR? I know there are other options but I have been looking at these 2. </div></div>
REPR!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: palmik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys like the SR25 or Larue OBR? I know there are other options but I have been looking at these 2. </div></div>
REPR!
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks great, what did you use for parts?</div></div>
Thanks.
Armalite 24" T upper, cut and crowned to 20".
Aero Precision lower
Armalite LPK
RR 2 stage trigger worked to 4# and crisp.(got rid of the Armalite 2 stage Match)
PRS
SWS E1 rail
EGW gas block
Magpul trigger guard
Hogue grip
20moa mount
IOR 3-18 Gen3
I've shot some .5 groups, some .7, but mostly ~1" with FGMM and my amature shooting. I'm going to try a different buffer to see if I can manage the recoil a little better. It runs like a top and drops the brass right about 4-5 o'clock and about 5' away. I have just over 1700.00 in the rifle(sans optic)
The only real upgrade I see in it's future will be a better trigger when (not if) the RR wears out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks great, what did you use for parts?</div></div>
Thanks.
Armalite 24" T upper, cut and crowned to 20".
Aero Precision lower
Armalite LPK
RR 2 stage trigger worked to 4# and crisp.(got rid of the Armalite 2 stage Match)
PRS
SWS E1 rail
EGW gas block
Magpul trigger guard
Hogue grip
20moa mount
IOR 3-18 Gen3
I've shot some .5 groups, some .7, but mostly ~1" with FGMM and my amature shooting. I'm going to try a different buffer to see if I can manage the recoil a little better. It runs like a top and drops the brass right about 4-5 o'clock and about 5' away. I have just over 1700.00 in the rifle(sans optic)
The only real upgrade I see in it's future will be a better trigger when (not if) the RR wears out.
Re: AR10 preference
Glad to hear that, I'm just about about done with my AR 10 build. Just waiting on the rail and I need to get a butt-stock. I've been working on it since the election.
Glad to hear that, I'm just about about done with my AR 10 build. Just waiting on the rail and I need to get a butt-stock. I've been working on it since the election.
Re: AR10 preference
Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks
Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks
Re: AR10 preference
I agree, especially now that magpul is making $20.00 Pmags for the DPMS/ Knights/ all other AR 308 platforms. It obviously boils down to personal preference, I don't think any one platform is absolutely better than the other.
I agree, especially now that magpul is making $20.00 Pmags for the DPMS/ Knights/ all other AR 308 platforms. It obviously boils down to personal preference, I don't think any one platform is absolutely better than the other.
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dangerousdan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks </div></div>Thanks, DDan. I dealt with Armalite direct, and Tom at 762SASS.com. Armalite did a ton of development and spent a ton of money on this rifle and the new gen. mags, only to have everyone sit by and watch until they had it pretty well perfected, then they all jumped on the band wagon. As far as not seeing many shops dealing in Armalite, well, it's simple. What can they make more money on? Armalite quality isn't cheap, and there's not much room for mark up to make a profit on the parts and accessories. Since other brands are less expensive, it just stands to reason that shops are going to carry more accessories for what they sell more of. None the less, I think people who choose Armalite recognise it's <span style="font-style: italic">practical</span> quality and that's what they're after, and cost is secondary. I don't see that any of the expensive "niche" rifles can or will do anything mine won't. I prefer forged receivers over billet, any day. While I don;t have a Noveske or Bartlein barrel, the Walther Lothar is triple lapped, is more accurate than I am and like I said, I've gotten some .5moa groups out of it and I'm no LowLight.
I also have a 16" Armalite carbine built around an SASS barrel that I think is a bad ass little SA .308. Once I get an optic for it, I'm looking forward to seeing how accurate it is.
JMO
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dangerousdan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks </div></div>Thanks, DDan. I dealt with Armalite direct, and Tom at 762SASS.com. Armalite did a ton of development and spent a ton of money on this rifle and the new gen. mags, only to have everyone sit by and watch until they had it pretty well perfected, then they all jumped on the band wagon. As far as not seeing many shops dealing in Armalite, well, it's simple. What can they make more money on? Armalite quality isn't cheap, and there's not much room for mark up to make a profit on the parts and accessories. Since other brands are less expensive, it just stands to reason that shops are going to carry more accessories for what they sell more of. None the less, I think people who choose Armalite recognise it's <span style="font-style: italic">practical</span> quality and that's what they're after, and cost is secondary. I don't see that any of the expensive "niche" rifles can or will do anything mine won't. I prefer forged receivers over billet, any day. While I don;t have a Noveske or Bartlein barrel, the Walther Lothar is triple lapped, is more accurate than I am and like I said, I've gotten some .5moa groups out of it and I'm no LowLight.
I also have a 16" Armalite carbine built around an SASS barrel that I think is a bad ass little SA .308. Once I get an optic for it, I'm looking forward to seeing how accurate it is.
JMO
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dangerousdan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks </div></div> Since other brands are less expensive, it just stands to reason that shops are going to carry more accessories for what they sell more of. None the less, I think people who choose Armalite recognise it's <span style="font-style: italic">practical</span> quality and that's what they're after, and cost is secondary. I don't see that any of the expensive "niche" rifles can or will do anything mine won't. <span style="font-weight: bold"> I prefer forged receivers over billet, any day. While I don;t have a Noveske or Bartlein barrel, the Walther Lothar is triple lapped, is more accurate than I am and like I said, I've gotten some .5moa groups out of it and I'm no LowLight.</span>
JMO </div></div>
I agree with everything you have said! I was looking at getting a schnieder or Rock for my 10 but once I learned how to shoot the damn thing there was no need to look any further. The LW barrel I have will shoot as well as any of the custom barrels. As to mags, you can use Magpuls in the Armalite with very little mods and they work. while I have no need for exra mags and I still run 1st gen in mine, I would go the Magpul route because they are lighter than the steel mags.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dangerousdan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steelcomp. I think your on the right track. Nice job. I'm in the process of an AR10 build. I have found alot of vendors don't cater to armalite? The choice builds I.ve seen are off a DMPS
platform. Any comments?
Thanks </div></div> Since other brands are less expensive, it just stands to reason that shops are going to carry more accessories for what they sell more of. None the less, I think people who choose Armalite recognise it's <span style="font-style: italic">practical</span> quality and that's what they're after, and cost is secondary. I don't see that any of the expensive "niche" rifles can or will do anything mine won't. <span style="font-weight: bold"> I prefer forged receivers over billet, any day. While I don;t have a Noveske or Bartlein barrel, the Walther Lothar is triple lapped, is more accurate than I am and like I said, I've gotten some .5moa groups out of it and I'm no LowLight.</span>
JMO </div></div>
I agree with everything you have said! I was looking at getting a schnieder or Rock for my 10 but once I learned how to shoot the damn thing there was no need to look any further. The LW barrel I have will shoot as well as any of the custom barrels. As to mags, you can use Magpuls in the Armalite with very little mods and they work. while I have no need for exra mags and I still run 1st gen in mine, I would go the Magpul route because they are lighter than the steel mags.
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to mags, you can use Magpuls in the Armalite with very little mods and they work.</div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">REALLY?? What do you have to modify? Can any post a pic of a modified mag? </div></div>Yeah, what he said. I'd like to learn that one, even though I have plenty of Gen2 mags. Please share.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to mags, you can use Magpuls in the Armalite with very little mods and they work.</div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">REALLY?? What do you have to modify? Can any post a pic of a modified mag? </div></div>Yeah, what he said. I'd like to learn that one, even though I have plenty of Gen2 mags. Please share.
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We just had my 18" GAP built AR-10 out to 950 yards and it made consistent hits into a 5" circle on 10" x 10" steel.
It also ran flawlessly.
IMHO spending +$5K on an KAC is a waste of money.
We just had my 18" GAP built AR-10 out to 950 yards and it made consistent hits into a 5" circle on 10" x 10" steel.
It also ran flawlessly.
IMHO spending +$5K on an KAC is a waste of money.
Re: AR10 preference
With factory Knight magazines going for $125 apiece and a KAC gun more expensive out of the box I'm not sure the math equals out.
Of course an aftermarket 7.62 PMag is much, much cheaper than KAC's factory magazine.
With factory Knight magazines going for $125 apiece and a KAC gun more expensive out of the box I'm not sure the math equals out.
Of course an aftermarket 7.62 PMag is much, much cheaper than KAC's factory magazine.
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Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag.
Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag.
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>Dang...now I'm going to have to buy a PMag just to see how to make it work in my AR10.
It's really hard to beat Armalite's Gen2 mags, and now that they're up to production again they're not at all expensive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>Dang...now I'm going to have to buy a PMag just to see how to make it work in my AR10.
It's really hard to beat Armalite's Gen2 mags, and now that they're up to production again they're not at all expensive.
Re: AR10 preference
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>Dang...now I'm going to have to buy a PMag just to see how to make it work in my AR10.
It's really hard to beat Armalite's Gen2 mags, and now that they're up to production again they're not at all expensive. </div></div>
They have a nice deal, if you need 10 of them on the website for the AR10's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>Dang...now I'm going to have to buy a PMag just to see how to make it work in my AR10.
It's really hard to beat Armalite's Gen2 mags, and now that they're up to production again they're not at all expensive. </div></div>
They have a nice deal, if you need 10 of them on the website for the AR10's.
Re: AR10 preference
I have SHR 50, an AR10T built by GAPrecision, haven't shot it much. Best group so far at our range is 3 shots under a dime at 200 yds off a bipod. It is as accurate as the Rem 700 SCLE he built. No need to spend more, you won't get more.
I have SHR 50, an AR10T built by GAPrecision, haven't shot it much. Best group so far at our range is 3 shots under a dime at 200 yds off a bipod. It is as accurate as the Rem 700 SCLE he built. No need to spend more, you won't get more.
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I have a Armalite SASS that shoots damn near as good as my GAP Crusader. I have not shot past 600 with it yet, but to 600 it is extremely accurate. Last weekend it shot a 1/2" 6 shot group at 100 with military match ammo while sighting in a replacement scope.
I have a Armalite SASS that shoots damn near as good as my GAP Crusader. I have not shot past 600 with it yet, but to 600 it is extremely accurate. Last weekend it shot a 1/2" 6 shot group at 100 with military match ammo while sighting in a replacement scope.
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Which specific PMAG would I look for? I see they have different generations of these things.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>
Which specific PMAG would I look for? I see they have different generations of these things.
Which specific PMAG would I look for? I see they have different generations of these things.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pmags work better than the KAC mags as well. For $125 bucks a mag you wouldn't think you would have to wrap the bottom in tape to keep the bottom of the mag from sliding off. I've had more problems with KAC mags than with any of the cheapest government issue M16 mag. </div></div>
Which specific PMAG would I look for? I see they have different generations of these things.
Re: AR10 preference
They only make one PMAG for the 7.62x51/308Win. It is the LR20 PMAG.
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=342
They only make one PMAG for the 7.62x51/308Win. It is the LR20 PMAG.
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=342
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They only make one PMAG for the 7.62x51/308Win. It is the LR20 PMAG.
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=342
</div></div>
Thanks!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They only make one PMAG for the 7.62x51/308Win. It is the LR20 PMAG.
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=342
</div></div>
Thanks!
